Give the games back to Greece

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Matt Simmo » Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:16:13


And he's posting from Australia even...  Methinks he got kicked by a
kangaroo one too many times (or tried the beer *ducking* =) )
 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by George Tzimourt » Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:13:16

To all my fellow lovers of the Olympic spirit and ideal.It is with a heavy
heart that I ask you to support Greece's move to return the once great
Olympic games back to their homeland, the very land upon which the movement
was given life. After travelling the planet for the past century it is clear
that this once great celebration of the human body and soul has been taken
by the ruthless powermongers of the I.O.C. and turned into a commercial
farce. Where has the spirit of contesting the games in a fair and honest
manner gone to?
        Only with the games returning to their place of conception can new
life be breathed into the Olympics.The Greek race will welcome the games'
return as a mother would a lost child who has returned home after a century
of abuse and torment. Rise fellow lovers of the Olympics and support this
move as it could be too late in a few years.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Brian J Ma » Sat, 17 Sep 1994 10:00:26

Quote:

> To all my fellow lovers of the Olympic spirit and ideal.It is with a heavy
> heart that I ask you to support Greece's move to return the once great
> Olympic games back to their homeland, the very land upon which the movement
> was given life. After travelling the planet for the past century it is clear
> that this once great celebration of the human body and soul has been taken
> by the ruthless powermongers of the I.O.C. and turned into a commercial
> farce. Where has the spirit of contesting the games in a fair and honest
> manner gone to?
>    Only with the games returning to their place of conception can new
> life be breathed into the Olympics.The Greek race will welcome the games'
> return as a mother would a lost child who has returned home after a century
> of abuse and torment. Rise fellow lovers of the Olympics and support this
> move as it could be too late in a few years.

Hear Hear!!

                Buck!!!

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Roy L » Sun, 18 Sep 1994 07:28:21

Of course the Games are commercial. Why do you think that the Olympic
Games have become total successes since Los Angeles, where the President
of the Organising Committee was a businessman. Ditto for Calgary. They
must be supported by the corporate world to a certain point. I don't
think they have reached the limit yet.

The IOC was recognized by the United Nations, the only other
multi-national body in the world, as a powerful and important body when
the UN passed the bill to recognize 1994 as the International Year of the
Olympic Ideal. It also supported the "Olympic Truce" and stopped the war
in Bosnia for a brief period of time. The IOC has developed many
different programs to promote amateur sports in various different Third
World countries. These are the things that they do with the money that
they make.

As for your idea to move it back to Greece, it's simply ridiculous. How
can the Games be International, yet be staged at the same place every year?

I'd like to hear more comments on this topic. So please post a message or

Thanks.

Roy

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Louis C Matt » Sun, 18 Sep 1994 14:01:59

Every four years, athletes from all four corners of the world compete in a
sports event called the Olympic Games.  No other sports spectacle has a back-
ground so historic or thrilling.  A torch is carried around the world to light
an Olympic flame at the main arena of the host city.  The flame originates
in the city of Olympia, Greece.  The ancient Olympic Games were held here.
When the Olympic Games were "rejuvenated" in 1896, they were held in Athens
to remember and recognize Greece.  This is before large, multinational
corporations had a ***-hold on the games.  Back then, when something
known as history and tradition meant something, Greece was properly
recognized for one of its countless contributions to mankind.  On September
18, 1990, however, a committee headed by Juan Antonio Samaranch voted to
have the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, home of Coca-Cola,
instead of awarding the games to Athens, Greece.  The 1996 Games are the
Golden Olympics, the 100th anniversary of the modern games.  There can only
be one centennial celebration and this should have occurred in the birthplace
of the Olympic ideal -- the birthplace of democracy, for that matter.

Yeah, personally, I agree with the original writer who said that the Games
should be returned to Greece every four years but I am a realist -- this
will not happen.  However, was it too much to ask for the Olympics to be
held in Greece once (they haven't been held in Greece since 1906 -- an
unofficial 10th anniversary Olympics was held in Athens then)?  Listen to me--
I sound like I'm begging -- begging for something that is rightfully ours.

---Elias--->Looking forward to my favorite parts of the Olympics:
            The opening ceremony where Greece marches in FIRST
            The playing of the Greek National Anthem during the opening and
            closing cermonies.
            American television will probably not even allow us to enjoy
            these few moments -- they'll probably break to a Coca-Cola
            commercial.........

....................................Molwn Labe.................................

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by TAZMA » Tue, 20 Sep 1994 04:15:00


Quote:
>To all my fellow lovers of the Olympic spirit and ideal.It is with a heavy

                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                        

Quote:
>heart that I ask you to support Greece's move to return the once great
>Olympic games back to their homeland, the very land upon which the movement
>was given life. After travelling the planet for the past century it is clear
>that this once great celebration of the human body and soul has been taken
>by the ruthless powermongers of the I.O.C. and turned into a commercial
>farce.

Commercial Farce? Depends on your point of view. I doubt that you would
think of it that way if they were money losers for people the way the
commonwealth games are. If the games had stayed in Greece, do you think
that they would have achieved the status they have. It would be a bunch
of greeks running around and playing games, and no one would care. If
greece always had home-field advantage no one would call it the true test
of international athletes.

Quote:
> Where has the spirit of contesting the games in a fair and honest
>manner gone to?

Fairness and honesty don't involve the site or the commerciality of the
games. Or else you would never allow them to go to america because it
wouldn't be fair that these rabid (yes and it's spreading like a disease)
sports fans would always overwhelm all other countries, making their
already strong team even more fearsome.
If you were to be honest revenue wise it would always have to be in the U.S.
If you wanted to be fair to everyone you would have to give the games to
brasilia, who couldn't have hosted an acceptable games under current
conditions. (sorry if I stepped on some toes but it's true.)

Quote:
>    Only with the games returning to their place of conception can new
>life be breathed into the Olympics.The Greek race will welcome the games'
>return as a mother would a lost child who has returned home after a century
>of abuse and torment.

Bad analogy. It would be more accurately portrayed by a  son/daughter being
called back to his/her parents home after (s)he has made a place for HIM/HER
SELF in the world, and the parents want to live off the riches that all
the people their child met helped to create. Sure you want the olympics
now, but would you be willing to share ALL profits with all countries at
an exactly Equal level, which means you only get about 1/150 th of the
profits, even if you put all the effort into it. I don't think you would
be so quick to say, "Oh yeah, bring it home."

Quote:
> Rise fellow lovers of the Olympics and support this
>move as it could be too late in a few years.

It was too late the minute it left greece and THEN became the GREATEST
international event of all times. Don't blame those who made it as
good as it is, for their efforts. Just be happy that people still
remember and respect the history and origins of the games.

BTW, where would you hold the winter olympics. Definitely not greece!

Hey, here's and idea. We hold the winter Olympics in Antartica (truely
international), and then once the U.S. invades Haiti, they turn it into
an international territory and we move the games there.

HOPEFULLY neither event is a possibility!

Be more cosmopolitain or we may have to take back basketball from the
rest of the world and charge licensing fees.  :) It IS Canadian, eh!

Fight the oppresion, liberate your mind!

T.Ryerson Fuller
Concordia U, Que.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by TAZMA » Tue, 20 Sep 1994 04:36:00


Quote:
>Every four years, athletes from all four corners of the world compete in a
>sports event called the Olympic Games.  No other sports spectacle has a back-
>ground so historic or thrilling.  A torch is carried around the world to light
>an Olympic flame at the main arena of the host city.  The flame originates
>in the city of Olympia, Greece.  The ancient Olympic Games were held here.
>When the Olympic Games were "rejuvenated" in 1896, they were held in Athens
>to remember and recognize Greece.  This is before large, multinational
>corporations had a ***-hold on the games.  Back then, when something

And made them profitable, and not a huge financial drain on the host
countries. Montreal dosen't believe that there was much multi-national
coporate involvement in '76.

Quote:
>known as history and tradition meant something, Greece was properly
>recognized for one of its countless contributions to mankind.  On September
>18, 1990, however, a committee headed by Juan Antonio Samaranch voted to
>have the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, home of Coca-Cola,
>instead of awarding the games to Athens, Greece.  The 1996 Games are the
>Golden Olympics, the 100th anniversary of the modern games.  There can only
>be one centennial celebration and this should have occurred in the birthplace
>of the Olympic ideal -- the birthplace of democracy, for that matter.

You were making some sense up until this last comment. As the birthplace
of democracy then you of all people should appreciate the collective will
of the planet and not your own selfish wants (not needs). Greece has had
the games twice in a century, be happy, places like China, and all of
Africa have never seen the games. I believe they have a right to see the
games, as willing participants, as does everyone else who competes and
can afford to stage an olympic event. Feeding, housing and competing all
those athletes is costly. It's a sad fact that has never been different
in our existance. It even cost the athletes of ancient greece to compete,
but they were sponsored too. Either by wealthy traders or by states.
We have a saying here in Quebec, "The more things change, the more they
stay the same."  

Quote:
>---Elias--->Looking forward to my favorite parts of the Olympics:
>            The opening ceremony where Greece marches in FIRST
>            The playing of the Greek National Anthem during the opening and
>            closing cermonies.

See Greece is not forgotten, just relegated to your 'rightful' position
as part of a rich past that won't be forgotten, and will be respected.
BUT, the spirit of the games was built on more than your foolish self-
centered pride. Be proud of what you created, which would be nothing
without the global community.

Quote:
>            American television will probably not even allow us to enjoy
>            these few moments -- they'll probably break to a Coca-Cola
>            commercial.........

Why should they cover it? THEY ARE AMERICAN, not greek! Get real, does
Greece cover everyone elses medals, and ceremonies, NO! I'm sure if you
were in greece you would see all the greek coverage you want, just as we
see alot (although not enough) of Canadian coverage in the Winter
Olympics. We got to see even more than the Americans saw. CBS had their T
V. rights and we have ours. It's great ebing in a country with two
languages and cultures, because you see more olympic events.

T.Ryerson Fuller
Concordia U, Que.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Mika Perki|m{ » Tue, 20 Sep 1994 16:08:40


: There can only
: be one centennial celebration and this should have occurred in the birthplace
: of the Olympic ideal -- the birthplace of democracy, for that matter.

I've never seen properly organised sporting event held in Greece.
How could they possibly manage organising such a big event as the Olympics?
That's the main reason why they did not get the games of 1996, IMO.

--
Mika Perkiomaki             "Human mind is everything. Muscules are just

Tiiliruukinkatu 22 B 22      my head."                  - Paavo Nurmi -
33200 Tampere, FINLAND      "Tyhmyys on virhe."         - Lasse Viren -    

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Nils Anders Hellbe » Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:24:11

Quote:


>>            American television will probably not even allow us to enjoy
>>            these few moments -- they'll probably break to a Coca-Cola
>>            commercial.........

>Why should they cover it? THEY ARE AMERICAN, not greek! Get real, does
>Greece cover everyone elses medals, and ceremonies, NO! I'm sure if you
>were in greece you would see all the greek coverage you want, just as we
>see alot (although not enough) of Canadian coverage in the Winter
>Olympics. We got to see even more than the Americans saw. CBS had their T
>V. rights and we have ours. It's great ebing in a country with two
>languages and cultures, because you see more olympic events.

Coca-Cola commercial or not. I think that the commercials this games has
been, was the only way to do it. That does not meen that those commercials
should take it all over. We had some succefull games in Norway a few months
ago, and there was not much Coca Cola in the streets or the arenas.

So, why should the americans cover the greek part of a ceremony? May be for
the same reasons that Europeans cover the greek part, the norwegian part,
the american part...., I think there is something you have misunderstood. It
could be very intereseting for americans to see a little bit of other
nations sportsmen, flags or celebration. During the wintergames in
Lillehammer, we saw many examples here in rec.sport.olympics that americans
were not satisfied with the CBS coverage. There were to much americans, just
the americans, and nothing like bringing the sport live, with all the
athletes. Beleeve it or not, this is how we do it here, and people are
satisfied. And I know that many americans visit Europe were satisfied with
the coverage.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by TAZMA » Wed, 21 Sep 1994 04:46:00


Quote:

>>Why should they cover it? THEY ARE AMERICAN, not greek! Get real, does
>>Greece cover everyone elses medals, and ceremonies, NO! I'm sure if you
>>were in greece you would see all the greek coverage you want, just as we
>>see alot (although not enough) of Canadian coverage in the Winter
>>Olympics. We got to see even more than the Americans saw. CBS had their T
>>V. rights and we have ours. It's great ebing in a country with two
>>languages and cultures, because you see more olympic events.
>were not satisfied with the CBS coverage. There were to much americans, just
>the americans, and nothing like bringing the sport live, with all the
>athletes. Beleeve it or not, this is how we do it here, and people are
>satisfied. And I know that many americans visit Europe were satisfied with
>the coverage.

Hey, I like watching other teams too. I like watching the Ozzies win
their first winter medal, I like watching the Jamaican bobsleders, and
all the Siiers, jumpers, hockeys games, and biathalons, but I don't
EXPECT to see much of other countries, since there aren't enough hours in
a dya to show all athletes from every country competing in evry event
unless you have triple-cast which was a flop, and still missed some
sports. I was just commmenting on the fact that americans are going to
want to see first their atheletes, and then everyone else's out of
curiosity. I like watching the norwegian and the italians race in the
X-country,  but I don't want to see the brits. or someone less prolific.

It's marketing and they go for the best audience they can possible
attract. It's that simple. If the execs of whatever network in covering
Atl. '96 (CBS again?) feel that the opening ceremonies including the
greek enterance and national anthem, etc. is a worthwile part of the
opening ceremonies you'll see it, otherwise you'll see what's REALLY
paying for what you see in the first place. Coca-Cola brings the game to
your home, they don't make you watch it!

T.Ryerson Fuller
Concordia U, Que.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Mark O. Wils » Wed, 21 Sep 1994 04:50:29


|have the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, home of Coca-Cola,

And what's wrong with being the home of Coke.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Ed Suran » Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:36:48


Quote:

> If the execs of whatever network in covering
>Atl. '96 (CBS again?) [. . .]

Acrtually, it's NBC again.  NBC covered the summer Olympics of 1988 and
1992, and they have the rights to the 1996 games.  CBS covered the
WINTER games of 1992 and 1994.

Ed

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Bryan Barne » Thu, 22 Sep 1994 00:07:45

I can only hope that the games are never permanently awarded to any
city.  I want people of every city and country to experince the same joy
that I had when my hometown of Atlanta was awarded the games.  The
citizens (not corporations) devoted their hearts into the effort
and truly wanted to welcome the world to a city that we think is
pretty darn nice.  Our efforts were not controlled by greed or
political concerns but because we are proud of our city and knew that
the world would have a wonderful time in our home.
Yes Coca Cola is heaquartered here, and we are damn proud of that fact and
proud that a small product like Coke could help the Olympics and
other sporting events long before Atlanta ever dreamed of hosting
the games.  

As far as corprations are concerned it is time we stop talking
about commercialism as a bad thing.  We could never have an event on
the level of the Olympics in this day without corporate sponsorship.
In fact most of the symphonies and theater groups in this country
would fold with out corporate money.  They provide for things
which goverments can't or won't support.  

Finally, television coverage.  I am a graduate broadcasting student and
my entire course of study is focused on Olympic television.  I could
literally go on for pages about the topic, but I'll only mention this.
In all of my research I have never found a viewer who was completly
satisfied with Olympic coverage.  It is the most diverse and difficult
event to televise for a broadcaster, it is not as easy as just
putting cameras on an event and letting the pictures fly into
your home.  Mistakes have been made but producers are only trying
to provide the best coverage for the most people.  If you
are a fan of a particular sport you'll never be satisfied by a
traditional Olympic broadcast, there will always be too many features
and too little sports.  The time is not to far away when your cable box
will be able to bring the raw feed direct from a venue straight into
your home.  Experts and serious fans of the sports will love this
but most folks would be bored sensless.  Networks are not evil, they
want people to to enjoy and watch the games...they don't make
money if people aren't watching.  It isn't perfect but network
broadcasts of the Olympics still are the finest example of how television can
bring all of us together in a way that few things can these days.

Bryan

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by TAZMA » Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:48:00

Quote:

>Acrtually, it's NBC again.  NBC covered the summer Olympics of 1988 and
>1992, and they have the rights to the 1996 games.  CBS covered the
>WINTER games of 1992 and 1994.

Yeah, I forgot, CBS is giving up on sports :)  (NFL :) )

Will NBC have the triple cast again or did they learn from the first time ?

It was nice to watch on Satelite for free, but I wouldn't pay for it.

T.Ryerson Fuller
Concordia U, Que.

 
 
 

Give the games back to Greece

Post by Tord G.M. Malmgr » Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:24:20

Quote:

>>---Elias--->Looking forward to my favorite parts of the Olympics:
>>            The opening ceremony where Greece marches in FIRST
>>            The playing of the Greek National Anthem during the opening and
>>            closing cermonies.
>>            American television will probably not even allow us to enjoy
>>            these few moments -- they'll probably break to a Coca-Cola
>>            commercial.........
>Why should they cover it? THEY ARE AMERICAN, not greek! Get real, does
>Greece cover everyone elses medals, and ceremonies, NO! I'm sure if you
>were in greece you would see all the greek coverage you want, just as we
>see alot (although not enough) of Canadian coverage in the Winter
>Olympics. We got to see even more than the Americans saw. CBS had their T
>V. rights and we have ours. It's great ebing in a country with two
>languages and cultures, because you see more olympic events.

 you're lucky. Well, in most countries in Europe, they do actually
show most medals and ceremonies, not at all like ... CB-ESSSSS...
Believe it or not, people in Europe are interested in other countries
than their own -- how's that for a mental challenge??
(on the other hand, there wouldn't be much coverage otherwise...)

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