Can we now get back to the Games!

Can we now get back to the Games!

Post by Wendri » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:06:50


As I'm writing this, they are still talking about the skating fiasco and
resolution. I believe I'm missing a hockey game. Can't we get back to
watching the atheletes...
 
 
 

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Post by Scott Thibodea » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 06:28:04

As a Canadian. I'm with ya. Let's get some hockey happening! :) Go Canada.
Hope they're not judging the players on style.


Quote:
> As I'm writing this, they are still talking about the skating fiasco and
> resolution. I believe I'm missing a hockey game. Can't we get back to
> watching the atheletes...


 
 
 

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Post by Michael Falkn » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:54:30

Quote:

> As I'm writing this, they are still talking about the skating fiasco and
> resolution. I believe I'm missing a hockey game. Can't we get back to
> watching the atheletes...

That is a major concern -- but it's what people are talking about --
even here in Salt Lake itself.

I think the decision was only wrong in that they tacitly admitted the
French judge was corrupted, and, as a result, should have stripped thr
Russian pair of the gold.  They did not win it on the ice.

This decision is just nicey-nice, and I hope the IOC is not done with
this matter by a longshot.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Anne-Mari » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:05:51

Quote:

> I think the decision was only wrong in that they tacitly admitted the
> French judge was corrupted, and, as a result, should have stripped thr
> Russian pair of the gold.  They did not win it on the ice.

But we don't know whether they won or lost, unfortunately for everyone
involved. The ninth judge's removal makes it a 4-4 draw.

Quote:

> This decision is just nicey-nice, and I hope the IOC is not done with
> this matter by a longshot.

On this, I agree. I for one want to know exactly who is responsible for
applying the pressure on the judge, and believe that their heads should roll
as well.

-AM

 
 
 

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Post by Rod Curri » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:27:55



Quote:
> > As I'm writing this, they are still talking about the skating fiasco and
> > resolution. I believe I'm missing a hockey game. Can't we get back to
> > watching the atheletes...

> That is a major concern -- but it's what people are talking about --
> even here in Salt Lake itself.

> I think the decision was only wrong in that they tacitly admitted the
> French judge was corrupted, and, as a result, should have stripped thr
> Russian pair of the gold.  They did not win it on the ice.

> This decision is just nicey-nice, and I hope the IOC is not done with
> this matter by a longshot.

> Mike

Well, there are at least five ways it could have gone:

1)  Award them both gold medals.

2)  Throw out the French judge's marks and replace them with the
      marks given by the substitute Czech judge. This would have
      given the Canadians the Gold and the Russians the Silver.

3)  Thow out the French judge's marks and don't replace them.
      This would mean that the two teams would have tied in the
      long program and the Russians would have won the Gold
      based on the fact that they won the short program.

4)  Assume that the French judge would have voted for the
     Canadians and give them the Gold and the Russians the Silver.

5)  Do nothing and let the medals stand as awarded the other
      night.

1 is what I hoped might happen because it isn't fair to punish
the Russian skaters for something that is very, very likely not
their fault. Stripping the Russians of their Gold would also be
inconsistent with what was done in the Sylvie Frechette case,
where Babbs-Sprague was allowed to keep her Gold despite
the fact that correcting the judging mistake at the time of the
competition would have resulted in a clear win for Frachette.

The president of the ISU was pretty clear that the investigation
would continue and that it was certainly possible that this
incident could result in changes in how figure skating is judged
in the future.

Rod

 
 
 

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Post by P.J. Johnso » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:04:59

What we have is a bunch of supposed "sports journalists", posing
as tabloid wanna be's, rooting out corruption (real or imaginary)
against a back-drop of over-zealous nationalistic ferver. So long
as we have political involvement in these, or any other games,
then we are going to have continued or repeated incidents such
as this, with an all too-ready pack of media hounds at bay.

As to the hockey, I'll be pleasantly surprised if Canada's dream
team ends up in the medals.....but here's hoping anyway.

P.J.

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> As I'm writing this, they are still talking about the skating fiasco and
> resolution. I believe I'm missing a hockey game. Can't we get back to
> watching the atheletes...

 
 
 

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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:03:25


[snip]

Quote:
> Well, there are at least five ways it could have gone:

[snip]

Quote:
> 3)  Thow out the French judge's marks and don't replace them.
>       This would mean that the two teams would have tied in the
>       long program and the Russians would have won the Gold
>       based on the fact that they won the short program.

[snip]

Problem with that scenario: the French judge judged the short program too.
How do we know her marks in that were legit?

I think they had little choice but to s***the whole thing and award two
gold medals. If one judge was corrupted, chances are she wasn't the only
one.
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Trudi
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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:06:57


Quote:

> What we have is a bunch of supposed "sports journalists", posing
> as tabloid wanna be's, rooting out corruption (real or imaginary)

Oh, it's real, all right.

Quote:
> against a back-drop of over-zealous nationalistic ferver.

Yeah. All those Americans following a story about Canadians and saying
they were robbed. Some nationalism.

Quote:
> So long
> as we have political involvement in these, or any other games,
> then we are going to have continued or repeated incidents such
> as this, with an all too-ready pack of media hounds at bay.

Gosh, you sound like Kenneth Lay's wife--blaming Cliff Baxter's suicide on
those big bad media who came along and RUINED his life!

Don't shoot the messenger, pal. The ISU is doing crooked stuff. The media
didn't make it up. Thank goodness a free press is rooting it out. I'd
rather live in a country with a free press that goes a bit hyper sometimes
than live in a country where the government and the police run everything
in secret and no one knows what's going on.
--
Trudi
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