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Post by HeatonHea » Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:00:00


        Oh my God, what a race!!!  We just saw the single greatest
performance of the games.  World Record!!!   Hey I made three pre-race
predictions that came true, a) the world record would fall, b) the
medalists would be Donovan, Bolden & Fredricks & c) Christie would foul
out.  Yes!  Don't ask me how I could guess that last one but I did!  Of
course another of my predictions was that Bruny Surin would finish fourth
so go figure...Makes me think to myself, "Ben who?"
        Do many people think Christie's behaviour after he fouled out was
unsportsmanlike?  I don't.  Or at least I don't blame him.
        Canada's first 100m Gold since Amsterdam 1928 won by Percy
Williams.  Woooooooooo!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Traffo » Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Do many people think Christie's behaviour after he fouled out was
>unsportsmanlike?  I don't.  Or at least I don't blame him.

Well....where to start??

I can understand Christie being extremely pissed off.  What the hell is
this 0.1 second crap???  Surely a false start is starting less than 0.0
seconds before the gun?!?!?   I am absolutely furious about this farce,
and the NBC coverage only adds insult to injury - you can bet your bollocks
that if it was a US athlete that was disqualified then they'd be complaining
about unfair rules rather that unsportsmanlike behaviour.

I must admit though, that I commented to my wife during the drama that
Christie had complained enough, and the time had come for him to just accept
the ruling and let the other athletes get on with it.

I'm really pissed off.  Being a non-US person living in the US and having
to endure the abomination that passes for TV coverage over here is not much
fun.   One way or another I'm going to be in the UK for Sydney 2000.  
Before tonight I was planning a vacation - now I'm considering something a
bit (actually, a lot) more permanent.

Traff, Englishman in New York.

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Post by Brian Inouy » Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> [stuff deleted]

> I don't blame him either. I don't follow track and field enough to know
> if he has a history of frequent false starts, but I think he honestly
> believed it was a fair start. (And the commentators all noted that he did
> not appear to have false started; though later they stated quite firmly
> that he had shown poor sportsmanship.)

Actually, during the slow-motion replay, you could see Christie begin to
leave just before the others.  It was really close.  But I'm surprised
the commentators didn't see that.

Quote:
> Was there any established way he could have protested the ruling? It
> seemed like there wasn't, and all he could do was refuse to leave the track.

According to the NBC commentators, judges used to have the discretion to
overturn a false-start, but some time ago, Christie had successfully
petitioned to take this option out of the judges hands.  If this is
true, then this is a classic case of irony.

Quote:
> On the positive side, it was nice to see the medal ceremony (you
> Canadians have a nice national anthem...) and to hear the crowd cheering
> heartily, despite the lack of Americans on the stand.

> Naomi

Agreed.  I was glad to see he won.

.... li'l worm ...

 
 
 

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Post by G. Cha » Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>    Oh my God, what a race!!!  We just saw the single greatest
> performance of the games.  World Record!!!   Hey I made three pre-race
> predictions that came true, a) the world record would fall, b) the
> medalists would be Donovan, Bolden & Fredricks & c) Christie would foul
> out.  Yes!  Don't ask me how I could guess that last one but I did!  Of
> course another of my predictions was that Bruny Surin would finish fourth
> so go figure...Makes me think to myself, "Ben who?"
>    Do many people think Christie's behaviour after he fouled out was
> unsportsmanlike?  I don't.  Or at least I don't blame him.
>    Canada's first 100m Gold since Amsterdam 1928 won by Percy
> Williams.  Woooooooooo!!!

I must agree with you, what a heck of a run!!!  Many people probably have
seen this race a few times by now and something interesting I noticed
the second time I saw the race, is that it seemed to me that Donovan
Bailey "moved" slightly before he took off.  Has anyone else notice this?

Thanks.

 
 
 

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Post by naomi pard » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>    Oh my God, what a race!!!  We just saw the single greatest
> performance of the games.  World Record!!!   Hey I made three pre-race
> predictions that came true, a) the world record would fall, b) the
> medalists would be Donovan, Bolden & Fredricks & c) Christie would foul
> out.  Yes!  Don't ask me how I could guess that last one but I did!  Of
> course another of my predictions was that Bruny Surin would finish fourth
> so go figure...Makes me think to myself, "Ben who?"
>    Do many people think Christie's behaviour after he fouled out was
> unsportsmanlike?  I don't.  Or at least I don't blame him.

I don't blame him either. I don't follow track and field enough to know
if he has a history of frequent false starts, but I think he honestly
believed it was a fair start. (And the commentators all noted that he did
not appear to have false started; though later they stated quite firmly
that he had shown poor sportsmanship.)
Was there any established way he could have protested the ruling? It
seemed like there wasn't, and all he could do was refuse to leave the track.

On the positive side, it was nice to see the medal ceremony (you
Canadians have a nice national anthem...) and to hear the crowd cheering
heartily, despite the lack of Americans on the stand.

Naomi

 
 
 

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Post by Don Del Gran » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>>Do many people think Christie's behaviour after he fouled out was
>>unsportsmanlike?  I don't.  Or at least I don't blame him.
>Well....where to start??
>I can understand Christie being extremely pissed off.  What the hell is
>this 0.1 second crap???  Surely a false start is starting less than 0.0
>seconds before the gun?!?!?

No, IAAF (the organization that runs track events - and it's headquartered in
Great Britain, I think) decided years ago that it's impossible for any human
to be able to react to anything in less than 0.1 seconds.  Christie's second
false start was called because it was between 0.08 and 0.09 seconds after the
gun (and that's not taking into account how long it takes for the sound of the
gun to reach him, although it can't be much more than 0.01 second).  According
to the NBC commentator, the starter does not have any choice in the matter.

Quote:
>I'm really pissed off.  Being a non-US person living in the US and having
>to endure the abomination that passes for TV coverage over here is not much
>fun.

Being an American and having to live through this for the third straight
Summer Olympics, and knowing that these people will be covering the 2000,
2002, 2004, and 2006 games does not have me celebrating either...

Quote:
>Traff, Englishman in New York.

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American in California
 
 
 

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Post by Selom Ofo » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I must agree with you, what a heck of a run!!!  Many people probably have
> seen this race a few times by now and something interesting I noticed
> the second time I saw the race, is that it seemed to me that Donovan
> Bailey "moved" slightly before he took off.  Has anyone else notice this?

I did. but you'll understand that if you've ever run a 100meter race
before. That gun took too long to go off. A big reason why there were 3
false starts. After a few races you get a rythm for the gun. The reason
why Bailed "moved" but no off his stance.
 
 
 

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Post by Stannon Y » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>American whines after losing?  No problems - after all, it must be due to
>cheating if you beat an American!  Brit whines after losing?  "The worst
>unsportsmanlike behavior".

   More: The American prove they are "clean" by winning medals and
others have to prove their "clean" by losing medals.

Regards,
CT Yen.
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Post by Andrew Leyd » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

-When was the last time Christie ran 9.84?

Good point.  Christie had a similar tiff a year or two ago in Birmingham
if I recall properly.  He was flagged for a false start, but the computer
was found to be broken.  He did the same thing as he did last
night--turned off the little false start light in his lane.  But in
England, they let him run again (it was a computer error).

It was also interesting to note that the difference between silver and
bronze was something like .01 (I think?), which was the same "advantage"
Christie had in his false start (.1 allowed start - .086 Christie start =
.014).  

In case anyone is wonderning, some of the other runners have SLAMMED
Christie for his lack of sportsmanship (check clari.sports.olympics  
"Christie Bows Out"--I'd repost it but the clari.police.copyright.nazis
would attack me).  Apparently, the runner Bolden (don't know country) and
Christie were separated by Olympic officials after Christie approached
Bolden after the race (Bolden said something about Christies lack of
class).

Anyway, a good story worth checking out.

 
 
 

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Post by Kyle Jon » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00


 >
 > . . .
 > > I believe Christie would have won on the second start he got away well.
 > >
 > > Yes I'm british. . . .
 >
 > When was the last time Christie ran 9.84?

Indeed.  Bailey looked out of it until the last twenty meters or
so and then he came on like nothing I'd ever seen except perhaps
Carl Lewis in his heyday.  Lewis was a slow starter, too.  Even
the NBC announcer was surprised.  He didn't even mention Bailey
until he crossed the finish line first.

 
 
 

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Post by Carl Christens » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>that he had shown poor sportsmanship.)
>Was there any established way he could have protested the ruling? It
>seemed like there wasn't, and all he could do was refuse to leave the track.

From what I recall they instituted all this "scientific" false start
measurements because of Christie's complaints in the past.  As Howard
Cosell would have said: "hoist by his own petard!"  ;-)

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Post by rob.. » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>    Oh my God, what a race!!!  We just saw the single greatest
> performance of the games.  World Record!!!   Hey I made three pre-race
> predictions that came true, a) the world record would fall, b) the
> medalists would be Donovan, Bolden & Fredricks & c) Christie would foul
> out.  Yes!  Don't ask me how I could guess that last one but I did!  Of
> course another of my predictions was that Bruny Surin would finish fourth
> so go figure...Makes me think to myself, "Ben who?"
>    Do many people think Christie's behaviour after he fouled out was
> unsportsmanlike?  I don't.  Or at least I don't blame him.

I don't' either but NBC's commentators we're very quick to condemn him. with
statements like "The worst unsportmanlike behaviour etc etc" paraphasing.

If that was Denis Mitchell they wouldn't have said that.

I believe Christie would have won on the second start he got away well.

Yes I'm british but the American commentators didn't wait long before condeming
Christie.  Totally unbiased coverage NOT!

Quote:
>    Canada's first 100m Gold since Amsterdam 1928 won by Percy
> Williams.  Woooooooooo!!!

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Post by John Greg » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>statements like "The worst unsportmanlike behaviour etc etc" paraphasing.

>If that was Denis Mitchell they wouldn't have said that.

Of course not.  Because Mitchell is an American.  The Americans are permitted
to engage in behaviors that get blasted coming from anyone else.  It is a
huge double standard.  Irish wins?  Must be steroids.  Chinese wins?  Must be
steroids.  American wins?  Couldn't possibly be steroids.

American whines after losing?  No problems - after all, it must be due to
cheating if you beat an American!  Brit whines after losing?  "The worst
unsportsmanlike behavior".

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Ran » Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:00:00

. . .

Quote:
> I believe Christie would have won on the second start he got away well.

> Yes I'm british. . . .

When was the last time Christie ran 9.84?

--
Steve Ranta

Yes, I'm Canadian

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Traffo » Tue, 30 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>. . .
>> I believe Christie would have won on the second start he got away well.

>> Yes I'm british. . . .

>When was the last time Christie ran 9.84?

  Before Saturday night, when was the last time Bailey ran 9.84 ??

  'nuff said??

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