NBC coverage

NBC coverage

Post by Michel Fougere » Tue, 04 Aug 1992 13:42:43


I just watched the coverage of the bicycle race and NBC put THE WHOLE
FOCUS of the race on Lance Whatever from the USA of course, complete
with shots of his close family, his background and what have you.  
During the whole time I thought he really WAS the focus of the race,
leading the others on.  Apparently, according to NBC, his only dangerous
"rival" (also from the USA I guess) was called Whatever Else.  Finally
the race was over, an embarrassed and annoyed NBC staffer annouced that
"the race had been won by an Italian unknown non-entity", I forgot who
was second but the third place had been won by "an unknown Latvian
non-entity"...   Lance Whatever placed 14th and Whatever Else 74th if I
remember correctly.   Then they showed more shots of the glorious Lance
Whatever's family with American flags, graffiti on the Spanish roads by
the father or brother-in-law or who-have-you...  and the commentator was
trying to explain that "this race really did not matter at all" and
Lance Whatever would win many glories in the future...   I know all
nations provide a more or less chauvinistic coverage of events.  But NBC
really destroyed that one for me.         mf

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Post by vincent peter hrad » Tue, 04 Aug 1992 23:19:00

Quote:


>>Whatever's family with American flags, graffiti on the Spanish roads by
>>the father or brother-in-law or who-have-you...  and the commentator was
>>trying to explain that "this race really did not matter at all" and
>>Lance Whatever would win many glories in the future...   I know all
>>nations provide a more or less chauvinistic coverage of events.  But NBC
>>really destroyed that one for me.         mf

>I disagree here. The Mens Road Race coverage was some of the best
>coverage seen to date on the Olympic games. Well done, well paced,
>and despite the focus on the US cyclists (Hell, its being broadcast to
>the US, what did you expect coverage on, the Ukranians?), NBC did a
>Great job of showing the race, including the winners. If you're looking
>for coverage of French riders, move to France. If yoou're looking for
>coverage of Ukranina riders, you are probably out of luck.

>NBC has had more than their share of really poor coverage, but this
>event certainly wasn't one of them. Well paced, nifty background music,
>good focus on the US cyclists, but enough coverage overall that you always
>knew exactly who was leading. Stop picking on NBC because they didn't
>focus on your favourite cyclist.
>r.

I agree with the first poster.  Unfortunately, that's the way cycling
is covered in the US.  The general audience is ignorant of cycling,
so the networks feel the need to have a 'good-guy/bad-guy' thing
going.  Also, I see no difference in the coverage of the road race as
compared to the rest of the coverage.  It all SUCKS.

As far as picking on NBC for not focusing on a favourite cyclist,  I
think the poster just felt the need for less biased announcing.  What
a novel idea!  How about giving each rider as much of a chance as the
next.  Then covering the riders that break away in more depth.  That
way we would get to know something about the riders who actually
mattered in the race.  How about accepting the fact that not all
gifted athletes are American...

NAHHHH!

Vince

 
 
 

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Post by rON » Tue, 04 Aug 1992 21:56:30

Quote:

>Whatever's family with American flags, graffiti on the Spanish roads by
>the father or brother-in-law or who-have-you...  and the commentator was
>trying to explain that "this race really did not matter at all" and
>Lance Whatever would win many glories in the future...   I know all
>nations provide a more or less chauvinistic coverage of events.  But NBC
>really destroyed that one for me.         mf

I disagree here. The Mens Road Race coverage was some of the best
coverage seen to date on the Olympic games. Well done, well paced,
and despite the focus on the US cyclists (Hell, its being broadcast to
the US, what did you expect coverage on, the Ukranians?), NBC did a
Great job of showing the race, including the winners. If you're looking
for coverage of French riders, move to France. If yoou're looking for
coverage of Ukranina riders, you are probably out of luck.

NBC has had more than their share of really poor coverage, but this
event certainly wasn't one of them. Well paced, nifty background music,
good focus on the US cyclists, but enough coverage overall that you always
knew exactly who was leading. Stop picking on NBC because they didn't
focus on your favourite cyclist.
r.

 
 
 

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Post by Stan Macasi » Tue, 04 Aug 1992 22:44:44


on the Men's Road Cycling coverage yesterday, if only to laugh off at
the fact that they concentrated more on Lance Armstrong more than
Madison, WI's very own Bob Mionske. Zing! :) Poor Lance. Today he joins
the Motorola Cycling Team as a professional.

They did not do a very good job of covering the other racers, but what did
you expect? Equal opportunity will only take you far enough before the
ratings tell you to stick w/ images of the Stars & Stripes.

Anyway, it was neat to see Mionske, 4th in Seoul, making a run with the
lead pack. I had the privilege of getting up close to Mionske after a
road event at the Badger State Games in 1988, one of his preps before
the Olympics. Even then, you knew he had rebel streak in him. I even have
a picture of him, even though there were tons of local reporters milling
around him.

Another touching Olympic Moment. I wonder if*** Enberg would take it??? :)


    Really, does Scottie Pippen look like Cobi?

 
 
 

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Post by Colin Morr » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 02:09:41

Quote:

>I disagree here. The Mens Road Race coverage was some of the best
>coverage seen to date on the Olympic games. Well done, well paced,
>and despite the focus on the US cyclists (Hell, its being broadcast to
>the US, what did you expect coverage on, the Ukranians?), NBC did a
>Great job of showing the race, including the winners. If you're looking
>for coverage of French riders, move to France. If yoou're looking for
>coverage of Ukranina riders, you are probably out of luck.

You miss the point. What a lot of people are looking for is coverage
of a _race_ (which, after all, is what it is!). So I don't want a
overt focus on any one country's riders, but on the race itself, and
in particular those competitors who are likely medal winners.

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Post by Paul Gatk » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 04:51:23


Quote:
>I disagree here. The Mens Road Race coverage was some of the best
>coverage seen to date on the Olympic games. Well done, well paced,
>and despite the focus on the US cyclists (Hell, its being broadcast to
>the US, what did you expect coverage on, the Ukranians?), NBC did a
>Great job of showing the race, including the winners. If you're looking
>for coverage of French riders, move to France. If yoou're looking for
>coverage of Ukranina riders, you are probably out of luck.
>NBC has had more than their share of really poor coverage, but this
>event certainly wasn't one of them. Well paced, nifty background music,
>good focus on the US cyclists, but enough coverage overall that you always
>knew exactly who was leading. Stop picking on NBC because they didn't
>focus on your favourite cyclist.
>r.

 Try renting or buying some of the excellent cycle racing videos available
that were done in europe. Then rewatch the nbc coverage. Then you'll see
the truth!

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Post by Christopher Gattu » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 05:40:32

Everyone who is complaining about the coverage must remember a few things:

1)  Advertisers are NOT going to buy commerical time during equestrian or
    table tennis, or a sport that an American has NO opportunity to win or
    the American audience DOES NOT enjoy.
2)  NBC is an AMERICAN based company trying to please the majority.

It is not fair, I know, but most people want to see how there performers
are doing.  Personally, I like the coverage and I think NBC is doing a
great job!!!  Especially with all the events.  ABC had the Winter Oly.
which are smaller (and to me) more interesting and they screwed them up
so bad, I was really worried with these Olympics.  If you wanted to see
EVERY sport or the not-so-popular ones, you should have gotten the
TripleCast or part of it.  If you wanted to see the whole bike race with
a look at every competitor, you should have gotten the TripleCast.  That
is why it is there.  To offer more in depth coverage of certain event.  
You cannot expect NBC to cram every event into 160 hours of coverage!!!
It is not economically feasible.  

I may seem biased about liking NBC's coverage, because I am American, but
that happens.  Like it or not, I speak the truth.  I was extremely happy
to see Vitaly from the EUN win in Gymnastics, but I was more happy to see
Trent Dimas win...sorry, but an American underdog winning made my night.

In the bike race, the reason why Lance Armstrong was covered so closely, is
because he is the best amateur biker in the world.  Equivalent, to Shaq in
college basketball.  He was so highly recruited that, at 20 years old, he
was signed to go pro (with Motorola) right after the Olympics.  He was
heavily favored in the 120 miles race and NBC was correct in option to
focus on him.  To not focus on him is like not focusing on the Dream Team
in Basketball.

My 2 cents in Olympic coverage.
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Post by Patrick HU » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 04:55:42

Quote:

>I just watched the coverage of the bicycle race and NBC put THE WHOLE
>FOCUS of the race on Lance Whatever from the USA of course, complete
>with shots of his close family, his background and what have you.  

I have to second Michel on that one. This coverage really was the
worst example of what NBC has provided us thus far. I agree on some
chauvinistism (sp??? that's directly from french) on TV, but there, they
really went too far. And of course, the coverage was broken up with
(hours of) commercials, and other subjects, so as to keep us watching
NBC until the end. Despicable.

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Post by Paul Gatk » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 04:49:00

 I don't know why cycling has to be picked out as the sport to present as
a junk food video. Why can't commercial tv present it as a serious
event like other sports? It's not like the american public hasn't been
exposed to enough of it on tv over the years. Things were actually looking
up for awhile, what with Greg's performances in Europe. But now I'd say
the nbc coverage was similar to what was given to us 10 years ago. Glossy
pulp, horrible soundtrack, contrived drama, and poor continuity.

 The coverage of the men's cycling road race was a horrible insult to all
cycling fans in the united states. nbc should bow their head in shame!

 The irony is that they have claimed in a ny times article that this approach
is a big success and that the american public does not want to see straight
sport coverage. The american people _like_ this shit.

 ttyl;paul

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Post by Joel D Alvst » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 15:25:06


Quote:
>Everyone who is complaining about the coverage must remember a few things:

>1)  Advertisers are NOT going to buy commerical time during equestrian or
>    table tennis, or a sport that an American has NO opportunity to win or
>    the American audience DOES NOT enjoy.
>2)  NBC is an AMERICAN based company trying to please the majority.

>It is not fair, I know, but most people want to see how there performers
>are doing.  Personally, I like the coverage and I think NBC is doing a
>great job!!!  Especially with all the events.  ABC had the Winter Oly.
>which are smaller (and to me) more interesting and they screwed them up
>so bad, I was really worried with these Olympics.  If you wanted to see
>EVERY sport or the not-so-popular ones, you should have gotten the
>TripleCast or part of it.  If you wanted to see the whole bike race with
>a look at every competitor, you should have gotten the TripleCast.  That
>is why it is there.  To offer more in depth coverage of certain event.  
>You cannot expect NBC to cram every event into 160 hours of coverage!!!
>It is not economically feasible.  

Perhaps, then, NBC should get rid of some of the shit (i.e. music videos)
and cover more events.

Quote:

>My 2 cents in Olympic coverage.

Keep the change.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN

 
 
 

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Post by rON » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 15:45:33

Quote:

> The irony is that they have claimed in a ny times article that this approach
>is a big success and that the american public does not want to see straight
>sport coverage. The american people _like_ this shit.


Yup. But lets face it, what does the average US sports viewer get on a
normal basis? Look at the really poor coverage of Mens Gymnastics, for
example. How about the lovely flame inducing coverage of the Swimming
competition? Your average American wouldn't know a decent coverage of
a sporting event if it came up and stole their beer.

My point was that the cycling coverage >in comparison to the rest of the
coverage< on NBC was well done, reasonably well produced, and a general
success for NBC. People (esp in the US) DO like that 'shit'. Therefore,
Advertisers like that 'shit' and that 'shit' will continually get
produced.

As to the 'does not want to see straight sport coverage' this was obvious by
the only 250,000 people out of the 2,000,000 expected who ordered the NBC
Triplecast. Complain all you want about the coverage of events like the
cycling, but did >you< order the triplecast?

r.
disclaimer: not a flame, not intended as a flame. My opinions only. :)

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher Gattu » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 21:54:03

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Post by Christopher Gattu » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 22:03:49

Sorry, I screwed up on the one before this....

You people are forgetting that NBC IS A BUSINESS.  They are trying to please
the majority, and according to US polls they are doing a good job.  If you
don't like "crap" they put in....get the TripleCast.  If you are too cheap
to get the TripleCast or cannot afford it...go to a local drinking
establishment with a TV.  If you don't want to leave your couch...then
don't ***.  

Quote:
>Perhaps, then, NBC should get rid of some of the shit (i.e. music videos)
>and cover more events.

>>My 2 cents in Olympic coverage.

>Keep the change.

>Joel Alvstad
>St. Olaf College
>Northfield, MN


Take the two cents and put it toward a weekend of the TripleCast....

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