Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Air Judd » Fri, 04 Oct 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Thinking about comebacks, last season 4 of the most *** players
>in various sports came back. Michael jordan, Mario Lemieux, Mike Tyson
>and Monica Seles.  That's pretty amazing when u think about it.  All
>except seles returned to point(or very close to) where they had left.
>Tyson knocks out every body in 2 minutes.  Lemieux was the leading
>scorer and assistman in the NHL last season while also being the MVP.
>And jordan returned to lead the league in scoring once again while leading
>his team to the best record in NBA history and winning the MVP by the most
>overwhelming margin ever.

        I hate to break this to you, but jordon returned and did not lead the
league in scoring.  He shot 40%, averaged under 30 ppg, ruined a winning
tear the Bulls were on, and shot them to a 2nd round defeat to the hands
of the Orlando Magic.

        Then, Dennis Rodman joined the team, and the Bulls and led the Bulls
to the championship and the greatest record ever.  jordon proved he is
worthless in the absense of a great rebounding,defensive power forward.  
Rodman led his SECOND team to the title.  

        BTW, biggest margin ever?  BAsed upon what?  # of sportswriter votes?
You should add this disclaimer, since players used to vote on the MVP.  I
would think the most overwhelming MVP race would be when Wilt joined the
league, re-wrote the record books, set records in scoring and rebounding that
have only been matched by himself and no one else, and turned the hapless,
last place Philadelphia Warriors into the 2nd best record in the league.

 Another boxer named Muhammad Ali,

Quote:
>did a similar thing a couple of decades ago.  But that's about it, I can't
>think of too many athletes being able to be able to put together comebacks
>of such success.

        Ted Williams, who left baseball twice for Military duty.
        Babe Ruth, who after being dubbed "washed up" came back to dominate
        the league.
        Carl Lewis in this year's olympics.
        Bernard King
        Willis Reed, 1973 finals
        Gale Sayers

 For the sake of arguement, if there ever was one, whose

Quote:
>would be the biggest comeback in the hisory of sports....

        Bernard King.

Judden

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by woolbert la » Fri, 04 Oct 1996 04:00:00

What about Sugar Ray Leonard?  Took 5 years off with only one fight
during that period, then faced the most *** middleweight since
Carlos Monzon (Marvelous Marvin Hagler)and won a close decision (one I
disagreed with, but still...)
He then won the light heavy title from some poor putz (Donny Lalonde),
and fought an exciting draw with Tommy Hearns.
Not only did he win 2 titles in weight classes above his,(and not junior
classes either) but he did not lose to championship opposition.
Tyson is still young, has not regained the undisputed title, and has not
fought opposition to compare with someone of the caliber of Hagler.
Leonard fought Hagler with no tune ups, except for one fight two years
before where he got knocked on the seat of his pants before he got up to
win.

I would put Leonard's comeback as most spectacular, I would put Duran's
as the longest lasting (Junior middle, Middle, Super Middle and light
heavy title's all contended for, and only an ocasional embarassment).
This all considering he started at 135 and is now fighting 168 pounders.
-- Andrew Gooding

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Edwin . Posne » Sat, 05 Oct 1996 04:00:00

monty stratton "The Monty Stratton Story" true story movie about all star
pitcher for white sox,i believe lost a leg in hunting accident aand
reached major caliber again with wooden leg. b"Ben Hogan Story"movie about
legendary golfer who was mangled in capraccident mad come back towin at
golf again . Vinnie pazzienza , broken neck and come back to a supper
starjust do some researtch,there are more out there.
ed

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Edwin . Posne » Sat, 05 Oct 1996 04:00:00

pete gray a one armed outfielder forst.louis brownsin the forties.
ed


Quote:

> >Thinking about comebacks, last season 4 of the most *** players
> >in various sports came back. Michael jordan, Mario Lemieux, Mike Tyson
> >and Monica Seles.  That's pretty amazing when u think about it.  All
> >except seles returned to point(or very close to) where they had left.
> >Tyson knocks out every body in 2 minutes.  Lemieux was the leading
> >scorer and assistman in the NHL last season while also being the MVP.
> >And jordan returned to lead the league in scoring once again while leading
> >his team to the best record in NBA history and winning the MVP by the most
> >overwhelming margin ever.

>    I hate to break this to you, but jordon returned and did not lead the
> league in scoring.  He shot 40%, averaged under 30 ppg, ruined a winning
> tear the Bulls were on, and shot them to a 2nd round defeat to the hands
> of the Orlando Magic.

>    Then, Dennis Rodman joined the team, and the Bulls and led the Bulls
> to the championship and the greatest record ever.  jordon proved he is
> worthless in the absense of a great rebounding,defensive power forward.  
> Rodman led his SECOND team to the title.  

>    BTW, biggest margin ever?  BAsed upon what?  # of sportswriter votes?
> You should add this disclaimer, since players used to vote on the MVP.  I
> would think the most overwhelming MVP race would be when Wilt joined the
> league, re-wrote the record books, set records in scoring and rebounding that
> have only been matched by himself and no one else, and turned the hapless,
> last place Philadelphia Warriors into the 2nd best record in the league.

>  Another boxer named Muhammad Ali,
> >did a similar thing a couple of decades ago.  But that's about it, I can't
> >think of too many athletes being able to be able to put together comebacks
> >of such success.

>    Ted Williams, who left baseball twice for Military duty.
>    Babe Ruth, who after being dubbed "washed up" came back to dominate
>    the league.
>    Carl Lewis in this year's olympics.
>    Bernard King
>    Willis Reed, 1973 finals
>    Gale Sayers

>  For the sake of arguement, if there ever was one, whose
> >would be the biggest comeback in the hisory of sports....

>    Bernard King.

> Judden

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Vern Faulkne » Sat, 05 Oct 1996 04:00:00

 DC> Hold on to your hat for the thunderous newsflash, but thousands and
 DC> thousands of people -demand- information about him.  People want to know
 DC> what his condition is.  That means that the media follows him around and
 DC> asks him, and his answers make it to your local newspaper and news

Well, lets see. I've already correctly predicted - in some cases within a week
- every single significant career-goal news item generated by Lemiuex in the
past seven or eight months.

My prognostications aren't usually that good. And the theme of the news items
is always the same: First Lemiuex shirks the limelight, and then he does
something that puts him back in when he realizes no-one really cares about a
hypochondriac that isn't playing.

I've already made my next set of predictions public. Late November he'll rumble
a bit about something (Pittsburgh needing defense or something) and then once
he's got the media interested, he'll string 'em along for a few weeks until
mid-December when he'll mumble something about retiring. He'll also miss a lot
of games in this period, claiming a bad back.  I'll firm this one up once the
regular season gets going: I'm not as sure of the timing here as I was on his
behaviour around the WC.

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Phrank Da Slugg » Sun, 06 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> What about Sugar Ray Leonard?  Took 5 years off with only one fight
> during that period, then faced the most *** middleweight since
> Carlos Monzon (Marvelous Marvin Hagler)and won a close decision (one I
> disagreed with, but still...)
> He then won the light heavy title from some poor putz (Donny Lalonde),
> and fought an exciting draw with Tommy Hearns.
> Not only did he win 2 titles in weight classes above his,(and not junior
> classes either)...

Agree hagler got robbed, also agree that it was damn impressive of Leonard
to comeback and face the best, and fight him close. But, make no mistake,
the Super Middle division is (and was even moreso, then) a jr. division.
It's just too much to say "Jr Lt Heavyweight, but that's what it is...

Eder Jofre's comeback was one of the more impressive ones ever...

Phrank Da Slugger

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Gisela Fiel » Sun, 06 Oct 1996 04:00:00

This has to rate up there, and was definately the most lucrative. George
Foreman's come back to the heavyweight thrown. Now if only he'd end it.
    Later,
      D.Bonnett

Quote:

> What about Sugar Ray Leonard?  Took 5 years off with only one fight
> during that period, then faced the most *** middleweight since
> Carlos Monzon (Marvelous Marvin Hagler)and won a close decision (one I
> disagreed with, but still...)
> He then won the light heavy title from some poor putz (Donny Lalonde),
> and fought an exciting draw with Tommy Hearns.
> Not only did he win 2 titles in weight classes above his,(and not junior
> classes either) but he did not lose to championship opposition.
> Tyson is still young, has not regained the undisputed title, and has not
> fought opposition to compare with someone of the caliber of Hagler.
> Leonard fought Hagler with no tune ups, except for one fight two years
> before where he got knocked on the seat of his pants before he got up to
> win.

> I would put Leonard's comeback as most spectacular, I would put Duran's
> as the longest lasting (Junior middle, Middle, Super Middle and light
> heavy title's all contended for, and only an ocasional embarassment).
> This all considering he started at 135 and is now fighting 168 pounders.
> -- Andrew Gooding

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Chri » Tue, 08 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>  DC> Hold on to your hat for the thunderous newsflash, but thousands and
>  DC> thousands of people -demand- information about him.  People want to know
>  DC> what his condition is.  That means that the media follows him around and
>  DC> asks him, and his answers make it to your local newspaper and news

> Well, lets see. I've already correctly predicted - in some cases within a week
> - every single significant career-goal news item generated by Lemiuex in the
> past seven or eight months.

> My prognostications aren't usually that good. And the theme of the news items
> is always the same: First Lemiuex shirks the limelight, and then he does
> something that puts him back in when he realizes no-one really cares about a
> hypochondriac that isn't playing.

> I've already made my next set of predictions public. Late November he'll rumble
> a bit about something (Pittsburgh needing defense or something) and then once
> he's got the media interested, he'll string 'em along for a few weeks until
> mid-December when he'll mumble something about retiring. He'll also miss a lot
> of games in this period, claiming a bad back.  I'll firm this one up once the
> regular season gets going: I'm not as sure of the timing here as I was on his
> behaviour around the WC.

Vern,

You sound very unintelligent and a little jealous for some reason. Do
you think all of the doctors are lying about his cancer and his bad
back?  Do you think he's doing this for attention?

Mario has always been a private person. He doesn't enjoy being in the
limelight (except for on the ice). What facts do you have that
substantiates your position?

In conclusion, I have to say your an idiot! You never post
useful/informative threads. Just the same old negative shit.

Have a nice day.

-Chris

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Edwin . Posne » Tue, 08 Oct 1996 04:00:00

how can you overlook monte stratton'sloss of a leg and return to
majorleagues as a still good pitcher.vinnie paz's broken neck.iguess most
of you don'tremember monte stratton.
ed

Quote:

> This has to rate up there, and was definately the most lucrative. George
> Foreman's come back to the heavyweight thrown. Now if only he'd end it.
>     Later,
>       D.Bonnett


> > What about Sugar Ray Leonard?  Took 5 years off with only one fight
> > during that period, then faced the most *** middleweight since
> > Carlos Monzon (Marvelous Marvin Hagler)and won a close decision (one I
> > disagreed with, but still...)
> > He then won the light heavy title from some poor putz (Donny Lalonde),
> > and fought an exciting draw with Tommy Hearns.
> > Not only did he win 2 titles in weight classes above his,(and not junior
> > classes either) but he did not lose to championship opposition.
> > Tyson is still young, has not regained the undisputed title, and has not
> > fought opposition to compare with someone of the caliber of Hagler.
> > Leonard fought Hagler with no tune ups, except for one fight two years
> > before where he got knocked on the seat of his pants before he got up to
> > win.

> > I would put Leonard's comeback as most spectacular, I would put Duran's
> > as the longest lasting (Junior middle, Middle, Super Middle and light
> > heavy title's all contended for, and only an ocasional embarassment).
> > This all considering he started at 135 and is now fighting 168 pounders.
> > -- Andrew Gooding

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Colin Campbe » Tue, 08 Oct 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> how can you overlook monte stratton's loss of a leg and return to
> major leagues as a still good pitcher

  Stratton never returned to the major leagues. He returned to the minor
leagues, which were much more important back in 1939 than they are today.
The Jimmy Stewart movie kind of glosses over that part of Stratton's
return.

  Michael Jordan's "comeback" shouldn't count, because he wasn't forced
out of the game, he was tired of it and wanted a vacation.

  The comeback that impressed me when I was a kid was Ted Lindsay's. He
retired from the Detroit Red Wings after the 1959 season, and then five
years later strapped on the skates again at the doddering ancient age of
37 to take the Wings to the Stanley Cup Finals. I went to every home game
at the Olympia that season. I couldn't believe a guy that old could keep
up.

  Another candidate for best comeback of all time is Tommy John. He
underwent that totally experimental surgery at age 32 and missed the entire
1975 season, and came back to win another 143 games in his career.

  One-game comebacks like Dravecky and Butler are heartwarming but hardly
the greatest of all time. You'd have to start including Minnie Minoso and
Satchel Paige, which were simply stunts.

  And then there are comebacks that peter out into tragedy, like Tony
Conigliaro seeming to recover from his beaning to hit 36 homers in 1970,
then fade away and die of his injury.

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Garry Holm » Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:00:00

: I've already made my next set of predictions public. Late November he'll rumble
: a bit about something (Pittsburgh needing defense or something) and then once
: he's got the media interested, he'll string 'em along for a few weeks until
: mid-December when he'll mumble something about retiring. He'll also miss a lot
: of games in this period, claiming a bad back.  I'll firm this one up once the
: regular season gets going: I'm not as sure of the timing here as I was on his
: behaviour around the WC.

Wow Vern... can you also pick the lotto numbers too?

Garry

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Bryan P C » Thu, 10 Oct 1996 04:00:00

: This has to rate up there, and was definately the most lucrative. George
: Foreman's come back to the heavyweight thrown. Now if only he'd end it.
:     Later,
:       D.Bonnett

Oh, Lord dare I say it....  Denis Alexio (Heavy Wt. Kick Boxer) comes back after
getting his leg shattered in a fight.  I beleive he is still the reigning
champion.  I hate the guy, but you gota give him credit.

Later
Bryan Chu

:
:
:
:

:
: > What about Sugar Ray Leonard?  Took 5 years off with only one fight
: > during that period, then faced the most *** middleweight since
: > Carlos Monzon (Marvelous Marvin Hagler)and won a close decision (one I
: > disagreed with, but still...)
: > He then won the light heavy title from some poor putz (Donny Lalonde),
: > and fought an exciting draw with Tommy Hearns.
: > Not only did he win 2 titles in weight classes above his,(and not junior
: > classes either) but he did not lose to championship opposition.
: > Tyson is still young, has not regained the undisputed title, and has not
: > fought opposition to compare with someone of the caliber of Hagler.
: > Leonard fought Hagler with no tune ups, except for one fight two years
: > before where he got knocked on the seat of his pants before he got up to
: > win.
: >
: > I would put Leonard's comeback as most spectacular, I would put Duran's
: > as the longest lasting (Junior middle, Middle, Super Middle and light
: > heavy title's all contended for, and only an ocasional embarassment).
: > This all considering he started at 135 and is now fighting 168 pounders.
: > -- Andrew Gooding
: >
: >
:

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Robert C Philli » Thu, 10 Oct 1996 04:00:00

:   Stratton never returned to the major leagues. He returned to the minor
: leagues, which were much more important back in 1939 than they are today.
: The Jimmy Stewart movie kind of glosses over that part of Stratton's
: return.

Not a baseball freak, so I appreciate the clarification - which is sure to
disappoint whomever mentioned him.

:   Michael Jordan's "comeback" shouldn't count, because he wasn't forced
: out of the game, he was tired of it and wanted a vacation.

Regardless of the circumstances of his absence, I think the length of it
and the success of the return merits his inclusion.  That it was a
voluntary "vacation" in no way lessens the impressiveness.

:   The comeback that impressed me when I was a kid was Ted Lindsay's. He
: retired from the Detroit Red Wings after the 1959 season, and then five
: years later strapped on the skates again at the doddering ancient age of
: 37 to take the Wings to the Stanley Cup Finals. I went to every home game
: at the Olympia that season. I couldn't believe a guy that old could keep
: up.

Umm...okay.  Not a hockey fan.  However, I've commented earlier that IMO,
this list should include only those who were considered at or near the
pinnacle in their respective sports, and who must have returned to a level
at or near their previous success.  If Lindsay meets these criteria, I'll
approve. :)  (To illustrate, if Daryl Dawkins were to return to the NBA
and average 2.4 points in 6.9 minutes, I don't think he would qualify.)

:   Another candidate for best comeback of all time is Tommy John. He
: underwent that totally experimental surgery at age 32 and missed the entire
: 1975 season, and came back to win another 143 games in his career.

Forgot this one, but I'll approve.  His then-experimental surgery is now
considered standard, if still major and not at all fool-proof.

:   One-game comebacks like Dravecky and Butler are heartwarming but hardly
: the greatest of all time. You'd have to start including Minnie Minoso and
: Satchel Paige, which were simply stunts.

Don't think Butler was a "one-game comeback"; he was forced out again by
an unrelated, freak injury, unlike Dravecky, whose final injury was
absolutely related to the circumstances of his original absence.  But on
the whole I agree completely.

:   And then there are comebacks that peter out into tragedy, like Tony
: Conigliaro seeming to recover from his beaning to hit 36 homers in 1970,
: then fade away and die of his injury.

Yup.

Pie

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Robert C Philli » Thu, 10 Oct 1996 04:00:00


: golf again . Vinnie pazzienza , broken neck and come back to a supper
: starjust do some researtch,there are more out there.
: ed

I THINK this poster is saying that Paz returned to become a "superstar"
after the accident.  While Paz become a popular contender, "superstar
status" is debatable at best.

Pie

 
 
 

Biggest comeback in history of sports....

Post by Cameron Lai » Fri, 11 Oct 1996 04:00:00


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Quote:
>    Ted Williams, who left baseball twice for Military duty.
>    Babe Ruth, who after being dubbed "washed up" came back to dominate
>    the league.
>    Carl Lewis in this year's olympics.
>    Bernard King
>    Willis Reed, 1973 finals
>    Gale Sayers

> For the sake of arguement, if there ever was one, whose
>>would be the biggest comeback in the hisory of sports....

>    Bernard King.

>Judden

Folks have mentioned a number of great stories (Conigliaro,
Leonard, ...).  I'm a bit surprised there's been no recog-
nition of Abebe Bikila's 1964 Olympic marathon championship,
achieved just a couple of months after appendectomy.
--

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