A Fine fine for Lemieux

A Fine fine for Lemieux

Post by Christopher Anselm Landre » Fri, 08 Apr 1994 09:16:35


        I just recieved word that Le Magnifique was fined $500 for the
Fraser incident. I think that Fraser should have had to pay the fine
though.  Hockey allows thugs to harass and hold Mario constantly, and in
the game in question, he was repeatedly smacked by an assortment of
no-talent players, and even tripped by two in front of Frasier.

The league should go after ref's who don't protect superstars, or even
talented scorers. Hockey deserves its bad name if it cannot maintain its
talent pool. Other sports are sucessful because they protect their best
players from thugs.  Mario Lemieux is by far the most talented hockey
player I have ever seen.  

Everyone who thinks Mario should have been suspended should hang their
heads.  The damage it would do hockey to lose him would not be worth it.
I have been a hockey fan for many years, and NOT a pens fan, but it is
clear to me, from last year's playoffs alone, that Mario is harrassed by
officials beyond what you would expect.  It is no wonder he is not
considered an ambassador to the sport.

But really, isn't being the best player in the world ambassador enough?
Hockey fans should wake the *** up and give the man his due.

-A Flyers fan-

 
 
 

A Fine fine for Lemieux

Post by Tim Irv » Fri, 08 Apr 1994 23:05:32



Quote:

>        I just recieved word that Le Magnifique was fined $500 for the
>Fraser incident. I think that Fraser should have had to pay the fine
>though.  Hockey allows thugs to harass and hold Mario constantly, and in
>the game in question, he was repeatedly smacked by an assortment of
>no-talent players, and even tripped by two in front of Frasier.

Ever since a game last year when Fraser inexplicably gave Kelly Kisio a
game misconduct (for retaliating with a *slight push* in response to a player
intentionally whacking him in the head with his stick), I've despised
Fraser.  He's one of the worst in my opinion.  And every time I go to a
Sharks game, it seems that Fraser is on the ice.  Oh well...it's fun to
participate in the chants.

And fining Lemieux $500 is like fining *me* fifty cents.  Why bother?

Quote:
>The league should go after ref's who don't protect superstars, or even
>talented scorers. Hockey deserves its bad name if it cannot maintain its
>talent pool. Other sports are sucessful because they protect their best
>players from thugs.  Mario Lemieux is by far the most talented hockey
>player I have ever seen.

Are you advocating a double standards for players?  Should the referees then
declare open season on players with less talent?

Referees should protect *all players* from *cheap shots*.  It's that simple.
If you're on the ice and you're hit hard but clean, too bad.  If you're a
star player and you keep getting hit, then maybe your team needs a big strong
player who hits even *harder*, and hits particularly hard against those who
check you.  As long as all the hits are clean, that's the way hockey is
supposed to be played in North America.

The only place I know of where rules are in place to "protect" star players
is the NFL rules concerning when and where you can hit quarterbacks.

Quote:
>Everyone who thinks Mario should have been suspended should hang their
>heads.  The damage it would do hockey to lose him would not be worth it.
>I have been a hockey fan for many years, and NOT a pens fan, but it is
>clear to me, from last year's playoffs alone, that Mario is harrassed by
>officials beyond what you would expect.  It is no wonder he is not
>considered an ambassador to the sport.

I refuse to allow one player--no matter how good--to rise above the game
itself.  And if you have to create rules with double standards based on
a player's talent, then the game isn't worth defending anyway.

Quote:
>But really, isn't being the best player in the world ambassador enough?
>Hockey fans should wake the *** up and give the man his due.

You can be an "ambassador" all you want, but rules are rules.  Rules require
that *all* players follow them, and since the rules allow clean hitting, *all*
players are subject to being hit.  Are you hoping to see hockey stars coddled
and protected like NFL quarterback while others are allowed to hit the hell
out of each other?  What do we do...put special designs on "star" uniforms and
give a two-minute penalty for touching them?

Tim Irvin, Programmer/Analyst/Dinosaur Jockey
Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Inc., Sunnyvale, California
Proud Warrior of the GenX Army--13th Brigade, Division #100865
***** all standard disclaimers apply *****

 
 
 

A Fine fine for Lemieux

Post by Mark Hetti » Sat, 09 Apr 1994 04:09:52


Quote:


>And fining Lemieux $500 is like fining *me* fifty cents.  Why bother?

Should he be fined more because he makes more?  Now that would be a
double-standard! :-)

Quote:

>>The league should go after ref's who don't protect superstars, or even
>>talented scorers. Hockey deserves its bad name if it cannot maintain its
>>talent pool. Other sports are sucessful because they protect their best
>>players from thugs.  Mario Lemieux is by far the most talented hockey
>>player I have ever seen.

>Are you advocating a double standards for players?  Should the referees then
>declare open season on players with less talent?

It should be enforced equally, of course.  However, the other player don't
get "thugged on" as much because they are not the threat that the higher
caliber players are and of course don't have the puch as often in critical
situation.

Quote:

>Referees should protect *all players* from *cheap shots*.  It's that simple.
>If you're on the ice and you're hit hard but clean, too bad.  If you're a
>star player and you keep getting hit, then maybe your team needs a big strong
>player who hits even *harder*, and hits particularly hard against those who
>check you.  As long as all the hits are clean, that's the way hockey is
>supposed to be played in North America.

And from what I hear, Mario is not complaining about clean hits, or even
really cheap shots.  I think he is complaining about simple holding, hooking,
interference, etc. penalties not being enforced as often as they should be.

As for clean, hard hits your are indeed correct.  If you don't want Mario to
be hit then you have someone on your team hit the other teams star players
just as hard or harder.  But again, I don't THINK this is the issue.

Quote:

>The only place I know of where rules are in place to "protect" star players
>is the NFL rules concerning when and where you can hit quarterbacks.

>>Everyone who thinks Mario should have been suspended should hang their
>>heads.  The damage it would do hockey to lose him would not be worth it.
>>I have been a hockey fan for many years, and NOT a pens fan, but it is
>>clear to me, from last year's playoffs alone, that Mario is harrassed by
>>officials beyond what you would expect.  It is no wonder he is not
>>considered an ambassador to the sport.

>I refuse to allow one player--no matter how good--to rise above the game
>itself.  And if you have to create rules with double standards based on
>a player's talent, then the game isn't worth defending anyway.

I agree.  However, I really don't think any other player would have been
treated differently.  If Mario had actually gotten to Fraser and bumped
him then I think he WOULD have been suspended.  The minor bumping of an
official by Jagr a few years ago would have been used as the precedent.

But, he did NOT bump the official.  And even if he was not intercepted, he
MAY not have.  He may have only went up to Fraser and got in his face.  You
don't know, I don't know, even Mario probably doesn't know for sure.  Fact is,
it's all speculation.  It didn't happen so nothing should be done.

As for throwing the stick, if he did try to hit Fraser with it then, yeah,
10 game suspension minimum.  But if he did it just because his stick was
broken then nothing should happen.  If he did it as a symbolic gesture, a al
a baseball manager throwing out bats and balls and helmets toward the umpire
but with no intent to hit him, then I would say a small fine and a game
misconduct.

Quote:

>>But really, isn't being the best player in the world ambassador enough?
>>Hockey fans should wake the *** up and give the man his due.

>You can be an "ambassador" all you want, but rules are rules.  Rules require
>that *all* players follow them, and since the rules allow clean hitting, *all*
>players are subject to being hit.  Are you hoping to see hockey stars coddled
>and protected like NFL quarterback while others are allowed to hit the hell
>out of each other?  What do we do...put special designs on "star" uniforms and
>give a two-minute penalty for touching them?

I agree.  However, I think it is being blown out of proportion by Mario bashers.
I do not agree with what he did.  Whether or not he likes it, he is a role model
to kids and he should not do stuff like this.  However, I do think that he was
treated as anyone else would have been.  And I do think it was fair.

And I do agree that star player should not be coddled.  But I do think that
when obvious penalties do occur with such frequency then they should be called
whether or not that player is a superstar or not.

Quote:

>Tim Irvin, Programmer/Analyst/Dinosaur Jockey
>Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Inc., Sunnyvale, California
>Proud Warrior of the GenX Army--13th Brigade, Division #100865
>***** all standard disclaimers apply *****

---

ROLM - A Siemens Company, Santa Clara, Ca.

 
 
 

A Fine fine for Lemieux

Post by Richard Olesch » Sat, 09 Apr 1994 22:54:54

Mario showed no class in his statements. I lost total respect for the man.
He beleives himself to be above the game and NO ONE is above the game. As
stated before this is the NHL not the MHL.
 
 
 

A Fine fine for Lemieux

Post by Dean J. Falcion » Mon, 11 Apr 1994 13:28:39

Quote:

>Mario showed no class in his statements. I lost total respect for the man.
>He beleives himself to be above the game and NO ONE is above the game. As
>stated before this is the NHL not the MHL.

Oh wow.  You lost all respect for Mario.  you people are ridiculous.
The man fights cancer and wins and because he's frustrated about a
***ing game YOU lose respect for him.  Grow up and get a perspective.

If you have to deal with HALF the adversity in your life that Mario has
had, you might begin to understand.

I doubt Mario has and great desire for your "respect".

Dean

 
 
 

A Fine fine for Lemieux

Post by Steve Co » Tue, 12 Apr 1994 23:56:58


Quote:

>Mario showed no class in his statements. I lost total respect for the man.
>He beleives himself to be above the game and NO ONE is above the game. As
>stated before this is the NHL not the MHL.

Since the NHL won't suspend him, let's ban him from rsh!  

Let's see, rule #66 reads "10 games"
2 additional for throwing the stick
and 3 more for being an ***!

In RSH terms, those 15 games are about the equivelant of 30 days of this
endless drivel about poor Mario.  

Steve
(hey, ever heard of a kangaroo court?  Maybe we should set up a committee.
The NHL can discipline it's own with $500.00 fines, and we will slap the
doubters with the punishment they deserve.)

Maybe we should'nt let Mario retire...let's fire him!