Penguins inch up towards "contenders" status again :)

Penguins inch up towards "contenders" status again :)

Post by Rob Polins » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 12:37:16


I love this trade!  Tocchet has a lot of ????????'s and seems to be on the
decline anyways.  Robataille has some life left in him, wants a Cup, and is
very happy (in his reactions) to be going to Pittsburgh.  

The 2nd round pick is no biggie -- the Penguins always drafted poorly
anyways.

Now, if Craig can make about 2-3 more moves and make this club a solid
contender, we'd be talking.  

The best thing to do would to try to be to milk Boston for all they can
get.  Boston's been so desperate to get Stevens, they'd probably be willing
to give up Iafrate and at least another good, young, defenseman.

Stevens is bored after winning two Cups.  Get some non-winners in there
that are eager to win a Cup again to have some leadership and desire on the
team.  That'd be a step in the right direction.

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Post by David F » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 13:44:49

: I love this trade!  Tocchet has a lot of ????????'s and seems to be on the
: decline anyways.  Robataille has some life left in him, wants a Cup, and is
: very happy (in his reactions) to be going to Pittsburgh.  

It sure does sound good for Pens fans, although I always enjoyed
watching Tocchet play.  I haven't heard much about Rick's back
problems of late, but back problems are trouble - as any Pens fan
knows all too well.

I'm trying to figure out LA's reasons for this.  I know Melrose likes
the rough and tough types, but LA is taking quite a risk here.  I
guess he hopes Rick's attitude will rub off on the Kings, who
definitely needed a dose of enthusiasm last year.

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Post by targo.. » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 18:17:17


Quote:

>I love this trade!  Tocchet has a lot of ????????'s and seems to be on the
>decline anyways.  Robataille has some life left in him, wants a Cup, and is
>very happy (in his reactions) to be going to Pittsburgh.  

        The Pens do lose a lot of toughness in this trade, however.

Quote:
>Now, if Craig can make about 2-3 more moves and make this club a solid
>contender, we'd be talking.  

        The club *is* a solid contender.  It's amazing how one bad
playoff series can change fans' opinions so drastically.  The Pens
are just a mediocre club without Lemieux, however.  Has there been
any news on him, anyways?

Quote:

>The best thing to do would to try to be to milk Boston for all they can
>get.  Boston's been so desperate to get Stevens, they'd probably be willing
>to give up Iafrate and at least another good, young, defenseman.

        As a Bruins fan, I'd love to get Stevens in a Bruins uniform.
Unfortunately, you won't even get Iafrate for him, never mind him and
another defenseman!  The most you'll get for him is Wesley (and possibly
some draft picks).  That could be a good trade for both teams.  I don't
think it'll happen, though.

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Post by Michael Nove » Mon, 01 Aug 1994 10:39:34

Until the Penguins get some new defen***, they will continue to
get their butts whipped in the playoffs.  On paper, they looked
better than the Caps but the Caps showed a lot more grit and hustle
than the Pens did.  And like I said the Pens defense was poor at
best.  They were a slow, plodding bunch and the Caps got almost
every loose puck they dumped into the corner.  With the Caps controlling
the puck and therefore the play, its no wonder they beat up on
Pittsburgh.   Thats why the Penguins will do poorly-- they have
the firepower but the defense could never gain possession of the
puck and a lot of the forwards won't backcheck to help out.
When the Caps played the Rangers, the Rangers players got to the
majority of the loose pucks and thats why the Caps lost 4-1.  The Pens
need a swift skating defenseman or two, not so much to provide offense
as to get puck control.  It was the same thing 2 years ago too versus
the Isles-- a lot of shorthanded goals when the puck snuck past Murphy
or whoever at the point and the Isles players outracing Penguins for
the puck.  

The Penguins are always contenders, though.  With that much offensive
skill you can never count them out.  Heck, Straka sat on the bench
for most of the playoffs and he had 30 goals.  I don't know of many
teams (ESPECIALLY the Caps) who could sit a 30-goal player except for
the Pens.  They just need a good goon and some quicker defen***
to become scary again.

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Post by targo.. » Mon, 01 Aug 1994 16:17:14


Quote:


>) says:

>>        The club *is* a solid contender.  It's amazing how one bad
>>playoff series can change fans' opinions so drastically.  The Pens

>Try 2 playoff seasons.  Any team that has the best reocrd in the league (by
>far) and bows out to a mediocre .500 team in round 2, could be a fluke.

>To get 101 points the next year and to lose in round 1, it's not a fluke,
>but it shows something is wrong somewhere.  

        Well ,yeah, something is wrong, but not necessarily anything major.
There have been a lot of 1st round upsets in the last few years; the way the
league is shaping up, it seems that this could become the status quo.

Quote:
>Depth on the LW as well as tired at defen*** from overuse were two key
>problems.  

        True; if there's one major area the Pens need help in its the defense
(but this has already been said by many.)

Quote:
>>are just a mediocre club without Lemieux, however.  Has there been
>>any news on him, anyways?

>Not necessarily.  The Penguins, at one point, were 4-9 or something (I used
>to keep track in my sig) *WITH* Lemieux last year.  I think they ended up
>around .500 or a game over .500.  Lemieux only played 21 games.

        Yeah, but from what I saw, Mario looked like he was only playing at
50%.  They had a lot of problems last year, with Barrasso out for an
extended period.  You may differ from me on this, but I never thought that
Wregget was a good goalie, and that could have hurt the Pens.  

Quote:

>I think the Penguins can play well w/o Lemieux (obviously, they're not as
>strong if Lemieux was in on a consistent badsis) when he's known to be out
>in advance for an extended period.  It's when he's day-to-day or "I can
>play this day, but not the next day" that screws everything.  ITs very
>difficult for a team to practice under 2 different possible game plans from
>day to day.  It screws up the rhythm a team would get.  

        Yeah, it's kinda the same way with Cam in Boston, but not to the same
extent as having Mario in and out of the lineup.  True, the Pens *do* have a
good team w/o Mario, but I don't think that you could call them a top Cup
condender w/o him.

Quote:
>However, to answer your question, Lemieux has not said a word yet about
>whether he will be back or not.  The reporters are the ones making a fuss
>more than anything.  They're annoyed by it the most.

        Yeah, I heard that he'd probably say something about it around
Sept.

Quote:
>>        As a Bruins fan, I'd love to get Stevens in a Bruins uniform.
>>Unfortunately, you won't even get Iafrate for him, never mind him and
>>another defenseman!  The most you'll get for him is Wesley (and possibly

>Well, you should take over GM duties of the Bruins, just in case :)
>You never know what could happen.  I'd agree w/you and I definitely
>wouldn't give more than a Wesley for Stevens, but you never know what
>can happen.

        This is true.  I'm pretty sure that Harry is going to be shopping
Wesley now that Iafrate is on the team.  The Pens just seem like a perfect
place for him to end up since they are in need of some good, young
defen***.

Quote:
>>some draft picks).  That could be a good trade for both teams.  I don't
>>think it'll happen, though.

>I doubt it, either.  Patrick only makes a trade when it substantially
>increases the Penguins.  I'd be surprised if Stevens was traded this year
>unless it was something to steal.  

        Yeah...I think they'd definitely ask for more than just Wesley.

Quote:
>This leaves the Penguins w/more balanced lines on the sides...but they
>still need to do something with that D.  As the***first mentioned, the D
>is getting older.  It needs some young, hungry *** in there to complement
>Murphy and Ulf.  Kjell had a career last year, can he do it again?  tags is
>usually on the + side...but these latter two, as well as the rest, are big
>????????'s this year.

        This sounds very true...I wonder if anything will happen?

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Post by P.A. Pol » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 05:02:15


Quote:

>The best thing to do would to try to be to milk Boston for all they can
>get.  Boston's been so desperate to get Stevens, they'd probably be willing
>to give up Iafrate and at least another good, young, defenseman.

I don't think the Bruins will trade Iafrate for Stevens.. I'm not even
sure that they WANT Stevens. After all, it's becoming pretty apparent
that K. Stevens is only as good as the line that he's on. He pretty much
disappears when Lemieux is hurt, which, by the way, will be all of next
year.

Lemieux is taken this year off to re-hab, but said he will play in the
95-96 season.

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Post by Steven Winikof » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 08:03:11


Quote:
>Lemieux is taken this year off to re-hab, but said he will play in the

                                      ^^^

Quote:
>95-96 season.

You do mean "re-Penguin", don't you?  :-)

(Or was there a major trade recently that I don't know about?  :-)

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Post by Thomas.Sulli.. » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 23:35:44

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 1-Aug-94 Re: Penguins inch up

Quote:
> I don't think the Bruins will trade Iafrate for Stevens.. I'm not even
> sure that they WANT Stevens. After all, it's becoming pretty apparent
> that K. Stevens is only as good as the line that he's on. He pretty much
> disappears when Lemieux is hurt, which, by the way, will be all of next
> year.
> --


Well, I've done my fair share of Kevin Stevens bashing over the past
year, but you know, in defense of him, he *did* score over 40 goals
this season, even without Mario around most of the year.  When you
get your face re-constructed in the off season, you gotta be a little
gun shy until you are sure it is going to hold up.  He IS a moron for getting
rid of that face shield now, though.  I'm willing to see how things pan out
for him this season.  He's had his season for getting back into things after
major surgery, and I don't think many players would come under as
much fire as he does if they scored 40 goals the season after returning
from major surgery.

Maybe bringing in Robitaille will light a fire under his ass.  Kevin's only
real problem is that he gets lazy.  When he's playing with fire in his eyes,
he can be a pretty decent player.  I just wish he'd stop whining so much
during games to officials.

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Post by Derek Jay Conn » Thu, 04 Aug 1994 04:53:09

Quote:

> I don't think the Bruins will trade Iafrate for Stevens.. I'm not even
> sure that they WANT Stevens. After all, it's becoming pretty apparent
> that K. Stevens is only as good as the line that he's on. He pretty much
> disappears when Lemieux is hurt, which, by the way, will be all of next
> year.

That's why Stevens scored 41 goals last year w/ Mario only playing 20+
games and scored 40 in 90-91, the year Mario only played 26. *SHEESH*

Sure Kevin is better with Mario, but who the hell isn't.

Anyway, my point is: Although Stevens get lazy at times, he still is one
of the best LW's in the game, no matter what line he is playing on.
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Post by The Bry G » Sat, 06 Aug 1994 11:27:59

Quote:


>Subject: RE: Penguins inch up towards "contenders" status again :)
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 09:17:17 GMT


>>I love this trade!  Tocchet has a lot of ????????'s and seems to be on the
>>decline anyways.  Robataille has some life left in him, wants a Cup, and is
>>very happy (in his reactions) to be going to Pittsburgh.  

>        The Pens do lose a lot of toughness in this trade, however.
>>Now, if Craig can make about 2-3 more moves and make this club a solid
>>contender, we'd be talking.  
>        The club *is* a solid contender.  It's amazing how one bad
>playoff series can change fans' opinions so drastically.  The Pens
>are just a mediocre club without Lemieux, however.  Has there been
>any news on him, anyways?

>>The best thing to do would to try to be to milk Boston for all they can
>>get.  Boston's been so desperate to get Stevens, they'd probably be willing
>>to give up Iafrate and at least another good, young, defenseman.

>        As a Bruins fan, I'd love to get Stevens in a Bruins uniform.
>Unfortunately, you won't even get Iafrate for him, never mind him and
>another defenseman!  The most you'll get for him is Wesley (and possibly
>some draft picks).  That could be a good trade for both teams.  I don't
>think it'll happen, though.
>__________________________________________________________________________
>        Steve Targonski         UMass-Amherst

A good trade for both teams - are you nuts ? You're forgetting that just 2
years ago the Bruins signed an offer sheet for Stevens which would have paid
him 2x what any other Bruin made. Stevens, if he regained his form, would
be by far the best Bruin there is. Maybe Stevens for Neely + extras, but keep
in mind the Pens are on their way to another Stanley Cup and Neely is a
Wheelchair athelete. The last thing they need is another player who can only
play every 2nd game.

What Patrick will be looking for is either a very cheap, very good defenceman
or a very good, very young defenceman - like Zubov. I don't think he wants
your 31yr old Iafrate anyway, so just settle yourself down and prepare for
the Pens to hammer the Bruins for the 3rd straight time in the playoffs.

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Post by targo.. » Sat, 06 Aug 1994 14:54:01



Quote:


>>Subject: RE: Penguins inch up towards "contenders" status again :)
>>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 09:17:17 GMT

>>        As a Bruins fan, I'd love to get Stevens in a Bruins uniform.
>>Unfortunately, you won't even get Iafrate for him, never mind him and
>>another defenseman!  The most you'll get for him is Wesley (and possibly
>>some draft picks).  That could be a good trade for both teams.  I don't
>>think it'll happen, though.

>A good trade for both teams - are you nuts ? You're forgetting that just 2
>years ago the Bruins signed an offer sheet for Stevens which would have paid
>him 2x what any other Bruin made.

        The signing was not for 2x what any other Bruin made - it was for $1.3
million for 5 years; Bourque was then making about $1.1 mil.  It was not an
outrageous signing, and Harry did not expect to really get Stevens (Pitt. was
going to match the offer, and they did).  He wanted to keep Stevens from going
anywhere else in the Adams division, or at least that's what he said.

Quote:
>Stevens, if he regained his form, would be by far the best Bruin there is.

        Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!  :-)  That was a good one.  Stevens would be an
excellent addition, but he is not of the same calibre as Oates or Neely. I
may be mistaken, but didn't Stevens finish up the season with a -26 or
something like that last year?  Wasn't that the worst on the Pens?  Doesn't
say much for backchecking...
        What do you mean by regaining his form, putting him back on a line
with Mario?

Quote:
>Maybe Stevens for Neely + extras, but keep
>in mind the Pens are on their way to another Stanley Cup and Neely is a
>Wheelchair athelete. The last thing they need is another player who can only
>play every 2nd game.

        Never happen.  If were mentioning far out trades, then how about Neely
for Mario in the trade of the wheelchair atheletes?  :-)
        The Pens may very well indeed be on their way to another Cup, but a lot
of that depends on the status of Mario for next season.  Without him they are a
good team, but not a great team.

Quote:
>What Patrick will be looking for is either a very cheap, very good defenceman
>or a very good, very young defenceman - like Zubov.

        Those 2 things are very, very hard to find, especially on the trading
block...  

Quote:
>I don't think he wants your 31yr old Iafrate anyway, so just settle yourself
>down and prepare for the Pens to hammer the Bruins for the 3rd straight time
>in the playoffs.

        Not 3rd straight...it could've been, but the Pens didn't get a chance
to play the B's this year; they got knocked out too early.  Mario should be the
best golfer in the NHL by the end of next season, though...  :-)

        I still think Wesley for Stevens would be a good trade for both teams
because the Pens are in need of a good, young defenseman and the B's need
a lot of help on left wing.  The B's would have to sweeten the deal somewhat,
though; I don't think that would ever go straight up.  But I don't think that
there is a more talented young defenseman in the game that is *available* right
now, and the Pens have no shortage of forwards that can score.

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