Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Post by Brian Do » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:52:24


Quote:

>Since the Red Wings contact already posted a summary, I'll just post a few
>thoughts.

Ahhh...there you are Lori. I was beginning to wonder if some
great natural disaster had befallen the city of PittsburgH. :-)
(Or CMU's internet connection!)

After all, you can imagine my shock when I logged in on Monday
morning and found virtually no postings from Penguin fans.

Unusual? Enjoyable? You be the judge...

Quote:
>The Wings were really up for this game.  Earlier in the day, in an article
>in one of Detroit's dailies, they had been called "clowns."  That was the final
>straw.   This is a talented team that finally exploded and showed what they can
>do.

True.

Quote:
>The Pens have to be at their lowest point this season.  The Quinn incident has
>really rocked the team, and has affected their play.

You are sure it was the Quinn incident?? Not the referee? Injuries?
Bad ice?? Not bad food?? But bad sex.... :-)

Quote:
> The Pens only got 10 shots on
>goal the first 2 periods to the Wings 40.

Yup. Sounds like the Quinn incident all right!

Quote:
> (KDKA TV carried the game locally.)

Ohhh....so the game was on local TV. Meaning that if any Penguin fan
in PittsburgH wanted to watch it, all they had to do was turn on the
local cable channel??

Geez....I guess a plethora of the usual posters ("real" fans?) didn't
bother to watch.  One frequent poster was driven to posting about football
here in r.s.h (and how obnoxious Buffalo Bills fans are [ right! :-)]).
Not a word about the game. Guess he missed it.

Another was reduced to posting CMU scores! Oh well...

I guess they just didn't see the game......  Pity.


PS: Thanks for the summary/thoughts, Lori. At least you showed up!

 
 
 

Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Post by Gregory Na » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:39:55

Quote:


>>Since the Red Wings contact already posted a summary, I'll just post a few
>>thoughts.

>Ahhh...there you are Lori. I was beginning to wonder if some
>great natural disaster had befallen the city of PittsburgH. :-)
>(Or CMU's internet connection!)

...or maybe even that some people have a LIFE on weekends?

Quote:

>After all, you can imagine my shock when I logged in on Monday
>morning and found virtually no postings from Penguin fans.

>Unusual? Enjoyable? You be the judge...

Yes.. It *was* enjoyable... I like the Pens, but even I can't stand all
the posts after each game. Especially those posted from another node on
my campus...

Quote:

>>The Pens have to be at their lowest point this season.  The Quinn incident has
>>really rocked the team, and has affected their play.

>You are sure it was the Quinn incident?? Not the referee? Injuries?
>Bad ice?? Not bad food?? But bad sex.... :-)

An incident like this would sure effect me, but then again, *I* would
actually give a F*ck about any situations my friends and myself were in...

Quote:

>> The Pens only got 10 shots on
>>goal the first 2 periods to the Wings 40.

>Yup. Sounds like the Quinn incident all right!

It certainly would... For a team that takes a lot of shots...

Quote:

>> (KDKA TV carried the game locally.)

>Ohhh....so the game was on local TV. Meaning that if any Penguin fan
>in PittsburgH wanted to watch it, all they had to do was turn on the
>local cable channel??

*knock* *knock* Hello! McFly! Do they teach you anything about electronic
media up there in the Great White? That there looks like the call letters
of a BROADCAST station... That means you only need rabbit ears to pick it
up, but you also need to be close to the station....

Quote:

>Geez....I guess a plethora of the usual posters ("real" fans?) didn't
>bother to watch.

That's right... Some of us were "playing" hockey... Crazy concept here...
We call it "Participation"

Quote:
>One frequent poster was driven to posting about football
>here in r.s.h (and how obnoxious Buffalo Bills fans are [ right! :-)]).
>Not a word about the game. Guess he missed it.

He probably did... We cannot pick up KDKA in State College...

Quote:

>Another was reduced to posting CMU scores! Oh well...

Well, no reason for that, I guess. My HS team used to beat up on CMU in
scrimmage games. (Go Central Vikings! :)

Quote:


>PS: Thanks for the summary/thoughts, Lori. At least you showed up!

Thanks for the lousy followup, Brian... Been looking for a loser to flame
since I put RAP115 in my kill file...

--

"I draw the line at styrofoam kernals, you ***!" -- Jeff

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Popovi » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:03:50

Here's a reply to Brian Down's posting, liberally sprinkled with the
smilies that somehow got dropped out of his original.

Quote:
> Ahhh...there you are Lori. I was beginning to wonder if some
> great natural disaster had befallen the city of PittsburgH. :-)
> (Or CMU's internet connection!)

> After all, you can imagine my shock when I logged in on Monday
> morning and found virtually no postings from Penguin fans.

How can you expect us to be talkative when we're in mourning? :-)
Seriously, the wheels have fallen off the Pens' wagon lately.  That
isn't generally the sort of thing we like to talk about, so we're
staying quiet.  Take the respite as a (temporary) blessing. :-)
Personally, I'm glad that the Penguin woofers have stopped posting; I
only wish that the anti-Penguin woofers could do the same.

Quote:
> You are sure it was the Quinn incident?? Not the referee? Injuries?
> Bad ice?? Not bad food?? But bad sex.... :-)

Hello?  Is anybody home in there? :-) Not bad sex, bad newspaper
reporting. :-) I think what Lori was trying to say was not that it was
the incident per se that had the Pens playing so badly, but the
police/court actions afterward and the news coverage that had them too
upset to play, with their minds off their game.  To clarify in
advance, lest someone think of my comments as sexist and condoning
***, I'm not saying that the newspaper reporting is "bad", as in
"shouldn't be printed", I'm saying that the newspaper is "bad", as in
"unfavorable", which is no surprise. :-)

Quote:
> Yup. Sounds like the Quinn incident all right!

Well, at least you're right there.  Or would you NOT expect such an
incident to have a demoralizing effect on a team?  I guess YOU could
play good hockey with the threat of a felony prosecution*** over
your head, or your friends' heads?  Or with newspapers around the
country printing articles about the off-ice behavior of some of your
teammates!

Quote:
> Ohhh....so the game was on local TV. Meaning that if any Penguin fan
> in PittsburgH wanted to watch it, all they had to do was turn on the
> local cable channel??

No, KDKA-TV is broadcast channel 2 in Pittsburgh.  Meaning that if any
Penguin fan in Pittsburgh wanted to watch it, all they had to do was
hook up their rabbit ears and turn on their TV...or, of course, they
could watch it on cable as well.

Quote:
> Geez....I guess a plethora of the usual posters ("real" fans?) didn't
> bother to watch.  One frequent poster was driven to posting about football
> here in r.s.h (and how obnoxious Buffalo Bills fans are [ right! :-)]).
> Not a word about the game. Guess he missed it.

Well, although I'm still a Penguin fan, I'm not IN Pittsburgh any
more, so it would be rather hard for me to get KDKA-TV. :-) But given
the way the game turned out, I'm kind of glad I didn't see it; I'm not
a ***, after all. :-)

Quote:
> Another was reduced to posting CMU scores! Oh well...

One has nothing to do with the other.  Anna posted some CMU scores
last year, too.  And some of us CMU alumni appreciate it.

Quote:
> PS: Thanks for the summary/thoughts, Lori. At least you showed up!

And you criticize Ulfie for his cheap shots? :-) Great.  Now that the
Pens are finally having the losing streak we all should have known
would be coming eventually, we get low blows from other teams' fans.
        -Steve

 
 
 

Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Post by Lori Iannami » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:30:54

Since the Red Wings contact already posted a summary, I'll just post a few
thoughts.

The Wings were really up for this game.  Earlier in the day, in an article
in one of Detroit's dailies, they had been called "clowns."  That was the final
straw.   This is a talented team that finally exploded and showed what they can
do.

The Pens have to be at their lowest point this season.  The Quinn incident has
really rocked the team, and has affected their play. The Pens only got 10 shots on
goal the first 2 periods to the Wings 40.  Tom Barrasso kept the Pens in the game
as long as he could, but the lifeless play in front of him took its' toll.  Ken
Wregget replaced Barrasso in the third, and faired no better.  The Pens took
18 shots in the third, but it was too little too late.  The Wings outshot them
51-28.

I don't know if it's just me, but did anyone else notice how unprofessionally
Paul Steigerwald was behaving?  I mean, more than usual.  He was surly the
entire game, and had a bad attitude.  (KDKA TV carried the game locally.)

He and Mike Lange have been affected by the Quinn incident, as they know all the
players involved and are friendly with all.  But Lange kept his private feelings
out of the broadcast, and handled himself well.  Steigerwald acted like a jerk.
His lowest point was when he railed on Probert over his drug and *** problems.
Lange jumped to the defense of Probert, saying he overcame a lot and really
cleaned up his act.  That, in Lange's opinion, was quite an accomplishment.

A number of people have asked me how I feel about this whole mess.   I have a lot
of different feelings.  

One of them is that if Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey had just kept it in their pants
I wouldn't have to even be discussing it.  I don't know if Tocchet has anyone,
but Errey's married and Lemieux has a live-in longtime girlfriend.  Were they
so horny that they couldn't wait one more night to get laid?

As for the alleged***.  I'm in a grey area over this.  Not because of whose
involved, either.  I felt the same about the Tyson incident.  Alleged gang
***s (such as the Ciccerelli incident and the current Bengals alleged gang
*** case) also leave me wondering.  (Yes, I know I've ripped on Dino, but
that because he's been a *** all his life...Lemieux and Co. are new to
this. :-))

On the one hand, no means no.  If the women in the above positions said "no" at
any point during the alleged incidents, that "no" should have been respected.  Sex
should not forced.  Unwanted, forced sex is***.  If these men continued to
force themselves on these women, then they are rapists.

But on the other hand, why do these women go back to the hotel rooms (or limos
or wherever) with these guys in the first place?  Let's face it, when a total
stranger asks you back to his hotel room, I really doubt it's going to be to sip
tea and discuss the impending trade war with Europe.  They want a good time.  And
you can't convince me that these women don't know this.

I'm not saying that these women deserved to be***d because they go back to
the hotel room.  I'm saying that these women know that the possibility of sex
exists.  If they have any doubts, they shouldn't go back to the room and put
themselves in such a vunerable position.  Common sense tells you never trust a
stranger.  Just because they're famous doesn't mean they won't try anything.

Also, would these women be crying "rape" if these men weren't famous?  There
are some big bucks to be made from such selling stories to tabloids and TV rights.

It all comes back to common sense.  If everyone involved would have had some,
none of this would have happened.

As for the report that Lemieux tried to stop the woman's friend from intervening
in the alleged***, the police said that isn't true.  They didn't say how they
knew that, though.  

We'll never know the real story in any of the cases.

Lori

 
 
 

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Post by tom wils » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:00:44

Quote:

>After all, you can imagine my shock when I logged in on Monday
>morning and found virtually no postings from Penguin fans.

What I can't understand is where are all the posts
(1) calling for Caufield's ejection from the league for running into Cheveldae
(2) calling Bowman a goon coach for putting him out there with instructions
    to do so (premeditated and all that stuff)
(3) a news conference in between periods just in case Detroit didn't win the
    game

etc.... This is what we had to put up with in the playoffs. A goalie plays the
whole game, Lemieux doesn't. Perhaps "fans" of the game understand that this
shit happens, and don't feel the need to whine about it. I sure enjoy the
"meaninglessness" of regular season games so that we can just proceed to the
next game.

Tom

P.S. I don't know the reason that you are bashing Lori, but I'll stay out of
personal battles. The net needs one person posting news for each team (even if
it is biased (those aren't my words)) for those fans far away from the area
who don't get the local news. As far as the multitudes of duplicate news posts,
that we can do without (there I go, running the group again - pity I don't have
any real power). Oh wait, ignore all that. I forgot that I'm supposed to hate
the Penguins.

How about Yzerman's 400th?! He beat him like a mule for-hire! (Damn! How does
that go?)

 
 
 

Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Post by Brian Do » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:21:12

Quote:

>P.S. I don't know the reason that you are bashing Lori, but I'll stay out of
>personal battles.

But I wasn't "bashing" _her_, as I'm sure she knows.
Au contraire, I thanked her at the end of the post, for posting.

Given the liberal dose of smiley's I sprinkled throughout the post,
I find it difficult to imagine that you thought I was "bashing"
anyone!

She posts (I think) relevant information whether they win or
lose. As opposed to others who just seem to want to praise the
Penguins when they win!

Quote:
>How about Yzerman's 400th?! He beat him like a mule for-hire! (Damn! How does
>that go?)

It goes, "He beat him in the back with a hack-saw!"

With Ron Francis pulling him down, too!


 
 
 

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Post by Brian Do » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:36:15

Quote:

>Thanks for the lousy followup, Brian... Been looking for a loser to flame
>since I put RAP115 in my kill file...

Awwwwwww!

Greg, I'm sorry you are upset. But with this coming so soon after
people calling the Penguins, "Wrens" and all, I can understand it.

So sorry.

But you really shouldn't be "looking" for people to flame, whether you
perceive them to be "losers" (as in 8-0), or not. It's bad for that
sensitive heart of yours!


 
 
 

Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Post by Gregory Na » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:59:55

Quote:


>Greg, I'm sorry you are upset. But with this coming so soon after
>people calling the Penguins, "Wrens" and all, I can understand it.

Oh yeah... So upset I have a "ren-guins" shirt already... (The happy
helmet does kinda look like a hockey helmet)

Quote:

>So sorry.

>But you really shouldn't be "looking" for people to flame, whether you
>perceive them to be "losers" (as in 8-0), or not. It's bad for that
>sensitive heart of yours!

Hey... Everybody has off nights and is unable to "Perform" all the time. I'm
sure you know a LOT about this....

Quote:



was that all you could come up with???
--

"I draw the line at styrofoam kernals, you ***!" -- Jeff

 
 
 

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Post by (Gerry Gryschuk » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:09:33


Quote:

> A number of people have asked me how I feel about this whole mess. I have a
> lot of different feelings.  

> One of them is that if Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey had just kept it in their
> pants I wouldn't have to even be discussing it.  I don't know if Tocchet has
> anyone, but Errey's married and Lemieux has a live-in longtime girlfriend.
> Were they so horny that they couldn't wait one more night to get laid?

Pardon! Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey did keep it in their pants or are they
now charged with*** also? Note that from my perspective asking one woman
back to your hotel room would pretty much indicate you were looking to have
a good time, asking 4 women indicates a party. Have you never gone somewhere
or done something to please your friends or help them. In this situation it
is entirely possible that Errey and even Lemieux as well as say a number
of the women were simply along for the ride so to speak.

It's no wonder people have marital problems if every time your with a group
of people with equal number of men and women it's automatically assumed you
have to be pairing up.

*If* Quinn actually***d this woman and *if* Lemieux,Tocchet or Errey had been
able to stop it the only thing they have to be held accountable for is their
innaction, their own fidelity(or lack there of) shouldn't be in question here.

Quote:

> As for the alleged***.  I'm in a grey area over this.  Not because of whose
> involved, either.  I felt the same about the Tyson incident.  Alleged gang
>***s (such as the Ciccerelli incident and the current Bengals alleged gang
>*** case) also leave me wondering.  (Yes, I know I've ripped on Dino, but
> that because he's been a *** all his life...Lemieux and Co. are new to
> this. :-))

Alleged gang***s? From some reports there was no one else in the room. Who
else has been charged? Some reports imply the police may not have enough
evidence to even charge Quinn. How can we be assuming there was anyone else
involved when we don't know if Quinn even did anything wrong?

If Lemieux could prove he wasn't anywhere near the room at the time of the
alleged incident he should sue the butts off the Minneapolis papers who
have suggested he was the other unnamed Pen involved.

Well that's all I have a problem with, the rest of your article makes sense.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months

Go Habs!!!                            (The Bum rules!!!)

 
 
 

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Post by <RAP.. » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:24:02

Oh nice going Brian, attack the contact of the Penguins.  Yes, the Penguins got
 crushed.  What do you want us to write? "Oh geez, we're so happy the Penguins
got crushed in Detroit 8-0.  It was the game of the year!"  What do you want
us to write?  Detroit played a hell of game, no doubt about that.  And they
scored randomly, at will.  Hey, Pens fans, let's all join the Wings bandwagon
now.  Red Wings are No. 1!!!!!!!!!  Get real Brian!
                                                            -Rob
 
 
 

Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts

Post by <RAP.. » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:32:33


Quote:
>>One frequent poster was driven to posting about football
>>here in r.s.h (and how obnoxious Buffalo Bills fans are [ right! :-)]).
>>Not a word about the game. Guess he missed it.
>He probably did... We cannot pick up KDKA in State College...

    Two points here :
    1. Wake up Greg.  Maybe you missed the game, but ESPN does have a game of
the week on Fridays and this week it was Penguins-Red Wings.  We were able to
watch the game in reference here in State College, which I did.
    2. IN MY DEFENSE for the stupid football post to hockey, let me explain.
Yes, it was the 2nd time this week where I screwed up and posted something to
hockey instead of football.  I'm not used to posting to football, I rarely do.
Granted it's no excuse, but I'm sorry for my mistake.  I cancelled the article
about 2 seconds after I realized I posted it. There was nothing else I could do
    And, for those of you that read the rec.sport.football. post, you here
complaints about the State College/CMU people on net?  You should see some of
the Bills posts.  If they were Penguins fans, you'd want to kill them, 'cause
they are 100 times worse than some of the bandwagon Penguins fans you see here
on net.  I just wanted to put out a fact to them - that the Steelers were ahead
of the Bills as long as the Bills were wildcards.  But, I do give credit where
it's due.  IF you see my latest r.s.f. post, it says Bills are No. 1 in AFC.
You can't flame me if you have no idea what's going on.
    And thirdly, believe it or not, Pittsburgh has 3 sports teams, and surprise
here's a concept - some people actually root for all 3 teams that live in
Pittsburgh.  Granted, I have my season tickets to the Penguins so I like hockey
more than anything else, but I do enjoy watching the Steelers and Pirates, too.
    I made a stupid mistake by posting to hockey instead of football.  For now
on, I'll double check so I won't do it again.  There, are you happy?  There's
nothing else I can do about it.  I'm sorry I made a mistake.  Geez, I guess
some people expect everyone on r.s.h. to be a God, to make no mistakes.
** Rob **
 
 
 

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Post by Anna Matya » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:47:16

Quote:
Brian Down writes:
>Another was reduced to posting CMU scores! Oh well...

>I guess they just didn't see the game......  Pity.

That was me.  And I've been posting CMU scores since LAST YEAR when I
started following the team.  And it's an insult to the CMU team to say
someone has been "reduced to" posting their scores.  They're a damn good
team and I happen to know that a lot of people in this group are
interested in how they're doing.

Mom.

 
 
 

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Post by Kevin Hartma » Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:07:56

Quote:
Gerry Gryschuk writes:
> *If* Quinn actually***d this woman and *if* Lemieux,Tocchet or Errey had been
> able to stop it the only thing they have to be held accountable for is their
> innaction, their own fidelity(or lack there of) shouldn't be in question here.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'held accountable', but to paraphrase
Supreme Court Justice Scalia (referring to US law):

        Our laws are written to persuade a person not to do wrong -
        not to punish a person for ignoring his natural propensity
        to do good.

Scalia sure is an optimist about us humans, isn't he?

Anyway... If Mario had prevented the one girl from helping her friend,  then
he would be aiding and abetting a crime.  If he just sat and watched, I doubt
that he could be convicted of anything.  Legally he is not 'doing wrong',
ethically he is.

Kevin

p.s.  I wonder if the story would have made headlines had Mario intervened
        on the alleged incident.  He could have come out of this looking
        really good.