Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Paul Grim » Sat, 30 Nov 1996 04:00:00


This year it's possible to vote for the BBC sports personality of
the year award via e-mail. The idea is to e-mail the BBC and vote for
BOBBY GOULDING as BBC sports personality of the year and Saints as
team of the year . If enough students do this then it could be that
he will win it (last year apparently only 70,000 people voted in the
competition altogether). The closing date for entries is Dec 13th,
so hurry and get your votes cast.

Instructions-

All you have to do is mail your name, address, and choice of
personality to the BBC.

ie. an example e-mail might read.
----------------------------------------
I vote for Bobby Goulding as BBC sports personality of the year,
and Saints (St.Helens) RLFC for Team of the Year.

Joe Bloggs
111 this street, Manchester, M11 111
----------------------------------------

e-mail address is:

NOW mail this to everybody that you know, and tell them to do the
same.
Please don't start voting for anybody else as then it won't work.

DO IT NOW!

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Barr » Sun, 01 Dec 1996 04:00:00

But then Justin Fashanu won't win it!!!



Quote:
> This year it's possible to vote for the BBC sports personality of
> the year award via e-mail. The idea is to e-mail the BBC and vote for
> BOBBY GOULDING as BBC sports personality of the year and Saints as
> team of the year . If enough students do this then it could be that
> he will win it (last year apparently only 70,000 people voted in the
> competition altogether). The closing date for entries is Dec 13th,
> so hurry and get your votes cast.

> Instructions-

> All you have to do is mail your name, address, and choice of
> personality to the BBC.

> ie. an example e-mail might read.
> ----------------------------------------
> I vote for Bobby Goulding as BBC sports personality of the year,
> and Saints (St.Helens) RLFC for Team of the Year.

> Joe Bloggs
> 111 this street, Manchester, M11 111
> ----------------------------------------

> e-mail address is:

> NOW mail this to everybody that you know, and tell them to do the
> same.
> Please don't start voting for anybody else as then it won't work.

> DO IT NOW!


 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Graha » Sun, 01 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Are you serious Rugby League clubs have to dominate for at least 5 years
i.e Wigan.
I can also name quite a few other sporting personalaties who will have a
better chance of winning it than BG. Lets see:-
                        1 Damon Hill (World Champion)
                        2Eric Cantona (BBC bias)
                        3Nick Faldo (Masters Champion)
                        4Henry Paul (for playing Union)
plus lots of other serious contenders. What has Bobby Goulding done that
Shaun Edwards hasn't done over the last 10 years. Hope you realise 1/3 of
BG's winners medals was won with Wigan.  

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Stev » Sun, 01 Dec 1996 04:00:00


writes

Quote:
>This year it's possible to vote for the BBC sports personality of
>the year award via e-mail. The idea is to e-mail the BBC and vote for
>BOBBY GOULDING as BBC sports personality of the year and Saints as
>team of the year . If enough students do this then it could be that
>he will win it (last year apparently only 70,000 people voted in the
>competition altogether). The closing date for entries is Dec 13th,
>so hurry and get your votes cast.

>Instructions-

>All you have to do is mail your name, address, and choice of
>personality to the BBC.

>ie. an example e-mail might read.
>----------------------------------------
>I vote for Bobby Goulding as BBC sports personality of the year,
>and Saints (St.Helens) RLFC for Team of the Year.

>Joe Bloggs
>111 this street, Manchester, M11 111
>----------------------------------------

>e-mail address is:

>NOW mail this to everybody that you know, and tell them to do the
>same.
>Please don't start voting for anybody else as then it won't work.

>DO IT NOW!

You got my vote and I'm a London supporter!!
--
Steve
 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Keith Bow » Mon, 02 Dec 1996 04:00:00

I'm sorry BUT this years sports personality has already bee decided.

Damon Hill!

Want to believe differently? You do not understand the Beeb then.

regards

Keith - Cougar Fan

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Mr P Halliwel » Tue, 03 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
> ie. an example e-mail might read.
> ----------------------------------------
> I vote for Bobby Goulding as BBC sports personality of the year,
> and Saints (St.Helens) RLFC for Team of the Year.
> Joe Bloggs
> 111 this street, Manchester, M11 111
> ----------------------------------------
> e-mail address is:

> NOW mail this to everybody that you know, and tell them to do the
> same.
> Please don't start voting for anybody else as then it won't work.
> DO IT NOW!

Well the put on your flack jacket Paul the replies are starting.

Why should I as a pie eater vote for BG.  He is not half the player
Edwards is, or even was at BG's age.  BG is not a good advert for RL.
 He is fine so long as he's winning.  But when his team is loosing
and things are going against him he looses his head, leadership and
temper.  Take the Prmierhsip final for instance.  That's why he was
sent home from his 1st GB tour in shame and sent packing from Wigan.  
And couldn't settle at his next two clubc (Leeds and WIdnes I think).
 There are many many other players ahead of BG in the player of the
year stakes.  Paul Newlove, Henry or Robbie Paul, Shaun Edwards,
Inga,   and Andy Farrell to name but a few.

And Saints have spent very big money and gambled on winning something
this season. I heard if they hadn't won anything this year players
would have been sold left right and centre to make up the losses.  
And they have only had one successful season.

If any team in RL deserves team of the year it's Bradford Bulls.  
They have built a great team and have been good ambessadors for the
game.  They have marketed themselves well and beaten Wigan & Saints
in the league.  But with Smith gone they may not continue that success.

There are also many other sports people ahead of BG by miles.
Steve Redgrave gets My vote.   And I'll bet the England Soccer team
get the Team award after a good euro 96. (Oooh it hurts to say that).
And Shearer may well win SP of the year. Although neither will get my vote.  

And do you think the BBC top nobs will let a RL team win the award
again.  What with them supporting RU so much and currently trying to
promote RU and belittle RL.  If any Rugby team takes the award it
will be Bath. And personality will be Will Carling for doing a
sterling Job as England captain.

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Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by J.B. F » Tue, 03 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>This year it's possible to vote for the BBC sports
personality of
>the year award via e-mail. The idea is to e-mail the BBC
and vote for
>BOBBY GOULDING as BBC sports personality of the year and
Saints as
>team of the year . If enough students do this then it
could be that
>he will win it (last year apparently only 70,000 people
voted in the
>competition altogether). The closing date for entries is
Dec 13th,
>so hurry and get your votes cast.

>Instructions-

>All you have to do is mail your name, address, and choice
of
>personality to the BBC.

>ie. an example e-mail might read.
>----------------------------------------
>I vote for Bobby Goulding as BBC sports personality of the
year,
>and Saints (St.Helens) RLFC for Team of the Year.

>Joe Bloggs
>111 this street, Manchester, M11 111
>----------------------------------------

>e-mail address is:

>NOW mail this to everybody that you know, and tell them to
do the
>same.
>Please don't start voting for anybody else as then it
won't work.

>DO IT NOW!

Hmmm. Seems like a pure ripoff the Justin fashanu E-mail.
Trouble is finding 70 St.Helens fans, nevermind 70,000.
In fact I'd go so far as to say this IS the Justin E-mail
with relevant editting.

Never mind :-)

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Post by Fine Bo » Tue, 03 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> >Are you serious Rugby League clubs have to dominate for at least 5 years
> >i.e Wigan.
> >I can also name quite a few other sporting personalaties who will have a
> >better chance of winning it than BG. Lets see:-
> >                       1 Damon Hill (World Champion)
> >                       2Eric Cantona (BBC bias)
> >                       3Nick Faldo (Masters Champion)
> >                       4Henry Paul (for playing Union)
> >plus lots of other serious contenders. What has Bobby Goulding done that
> >Shaun Edwards hasn't done over the last 10 years. Hope you realise 1/3 of
> >BG's winners medals was won with Wigan.

> The point being that if we all voted for the same person, we would be
> voting for the sport, for recognition ETC.

> *** me, I had forgotten how pea brained Wiganers are !!

> John

Hey, I did it.

Mike
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Post by Stev » Wed, 04 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:


>> ie. an example e-mail might read.
>> ----------------------------------------
>> I vote for Bobby Goulding as BBC sports personality of the year,
>> and Saints (St.Helens) RLFC for Team of the Year.

>> Joe Bloggs
>> 111 this street, Manchester, M11 111
>> ----------------------------------------

>> e-mail address is:

>> NOW mail this to everybody that you know, and tell them to do the
>> same.
>> Please don't start voting for anybody else as then it won't work.

>> DO IT NOW!

>Well the put on your flack jacket Paul the replies are starting.

>Why should I as a pie eater vote for BG.  He is not half the player
>Edwards is, or even was at BG's age.  BG is not a good advert for RL.
> He is fine so long as he's winning.  But when his team is loosing
>and things are going against him he looses his head, leadership and
>temper.  Take the Prmierhsip final for instance.  That's why he was
>sent home from his 1st GB tour in shame and sent packing from Wigan.  
>And couldn't settle at his next two clubc (Leeds and WIdnes I think).
> There are many many other players ahead of BG in the player of the
>year stakes.  Paul Newlove, Henry or Robbie Paul, Shaun Edwards,
>Inga,   and Andy Farrell to name but a few.

>And Saints have spent very big money and gambled on winning something
>this season. I heard if they hadn't won anything this year players
>would have been sold left right and centre to make up the losses.  
>And they have only had one successful season.

>If any team in RL deserves team of the year it's Bradford Bulls.  
>They have built a great team and have been good ambessadors for the
>game.  They have marketed themselves well and beaten Wigan & Saints
>in the league.  But with Smith gone they may not continue that success.

>There are also many other sports people ahead of BG by miles.
>Steve Redgrave gets My vote.   And I'll bet the England Soccer team
>get the Team award after a good euro 96. (Oooh it hurts to say that).
>And Shearer may well win SP of the year. Although neither will get my vote.  

>And do you think the BBC top nobs will let a RL team win the award
>again.  What with them supporting RU so much and currently trying to
>promote RU and belittle RL.  If any Rugby team takes the award it
>will be Bath. And personality will be Will Carling for doing a
>sterling Job as England captain.

Point being vote for a sport rather than a club, get a rota if your
worried, we'll do you next year.
--
Steve
 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by wiganrl.. » Wed, 04 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>>This year it's possible to vote for the BBC sports personality of
>>the year award via e-mail. The idea is to e-mail the BBC and vote for
>>BOBBY GOULDING as BBC sports personality of the year and Saints as
>>team of the year . If enough students do this then it could be that
>>he will win it (last year apparently only 70,000 people voted in the
>>competition altogether). The closing date for entries is Dec 13th,
>>so hurry and get your votes cast.

Now this made me laugh.  The reaction of the great British sporting public
to BG being sports personality of the year would be, WHO?

As for Saints as team of the year, oh come on, how about winning *every*
trophy going AND dominating a sport for a few years.  Saints achievements
last season just do not compare with Wigans in the year we won the team of
the year.

When Wigan won it, it followed a period of domination unprecedented in
team sport.  This meant that it had become almost impossible to give it to
any other team, despite the anti-RL bias.  Therefore it would appear to
get this award you have to do more than win a couple of trophies once and
a while.  That may not be right, but thats the way it is.  Saints are no
where near this level of achievement.  Couple that with RLs low profile
ATMO and I thinkyou can give up before you start.

Putting aside rivalries for the moment, do you really think another RL
team is going to win this award just now?  Maybe if a British team goes on
to win the new World Club Championship AND that comp gets as high a
profile as it deserves then maybe there will be a chance.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by wiganrl.. » Wed, 04 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>The point being that if we all voted for the same person, we would be
>voting for the sport, for recognition ETC.

The one put forward unfortunatley does not qualify, IMO,  on achievment or
personality grounds for the award.

Quote:
>*** me, I had forgotten how pea brained Wiganers are !!

Only a Saints fan would be blinkered enough to BG forward as a way to get
recognition for the sport at this time.

If BG becomes GB captain and leads GB to an ashes win over the Aussies
maybe THEN it might be a good idea.  Until then, try and think of someone
worthy of the accolade with a high enough profile to merit it.  Given the
fact RL in in the middle of one of the longest off seasons ever RL has
never had a lower domestic profile, IMO.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by wiganrl.. » Thu, 05 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Point being vote for a sport rather than a club, get a rota if your
>worried, we'll do you next year.
>--
>Steve

Vote for a sport by all means, but do it when a team in that sport has
done something out of the ordinary to merit wider recognition than just
within the game.

What makes winning this years SL title as a greater achievement than
winning soccer's premiership or crickets county championship?

Don't just do it every year when "whoever it is" wins a domestic
competition.

If the BBC are flooded with emails for a club whos achievements is not
something special then when we all email 'em when a team wins the World
Club championship or GB win the ashes (for the first time in God knows how
long) they may just ignore
the just claims for recognition.

Don't forget Wigan got it after winning all four trophies and after
beating Brisbane Broncos in their own back yard for the World Club
championship.

Now an achievement like THAT warrants special attention, not just winning
a championship.

For team of the year this time I would vote for Pinton and Redgrave, the
rowers.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by Adam Wilkinso » Thu, 05 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Come on all you pie-eaters, you know it makes sense.  Us Saints fans were
right behind Wigan and we were all absolutely delighted when they won it
and, of course, I know that I speak for each and every one of us.

Adam.

 
 
 

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Post by Julian Critchl » Thu, 05 Dec 1996 04:00:00

I don't want to state the screamingly obvious, but a few people
(especially pie-eaters) seem to be missing the point here.

To say that the Beeb may not allow an RL team to win is fair enough.
It's even fair enough to suggest that there are more deserving teams
outside of RL - although I couldn't personally name one, being a one
sport man.

But the fact is that we're invited to vote for team OF THE YEAR. This
means that the fact that Wigan have won more over the last ten years
is an irrelevance. So is Bradford's much vaunted success (which
didn't actually result in them winning anything) (let's remember that
Saints and Wigan also beat Bradford in the League).

The most successful RL team in the UK of the last year was Saints,
indisputably. They won the Challenge Cup and the League, and what's
more, ended (even if only temporarily) Wigan's reign - a feat that,
in itself, deserves a great deal of gratitude from the non-Wigan RL
public.

If you don't want any RL team other than Wigan to ever win the award,
then don't vote, but if you want an RL team to have a chance, then
the only vote can be for Saints.

 
 
 

Bobby Goulding for BBC Sports Personality (and St.Helens RLFC)

Post by wiganrl.. » Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I don't want to state the screamingly obvious, but a few people
>(especially pie-eaters) seem to be missing the point here.

No, the only people missing the point are the Saints fans who, after 20
years without a title seem to think this should elevate them to "Team of
the Year" as well.  I suppose all the other teams who have won titles in
the last 20 years were automatic choices for the award?  To remove the
Wigan factor, what makes you think Saints success this year, makes them
more deserving of this award than Widnes when they beat Canberra for the
WCC?

Quote:
>To say that the Beeb may not allow an RL team to win is fair enough.
>It's even fair enough to suggest that there are more deserving teams
>outside of RL - although I couldn't personally name one, being a one
>sport man.

This is the whole point.  Saints or whoever wins the championship in
future will have to do MORE than that to warrant this award over and above
other teams from other sports who win their equivalent championship.
Otherwise if all fans of each sport voted for the champions of their
sport, soccers champions would win it every year.  

Quote:
>But the fact is that we're invited to vote for team OF THE YEAR. This
>means that the fact that Wigan have won more over the last ten years
>is an irrelevance.

Who is suggesting voting for Wigan this year?  And you are right about it
being for *this year* but I'll say it again in with the faint hope it
might get through this time.  When Wigan won this award they did it on the
back of an exceptional season (i.e. one years record).  They went away to
win the World Club Championship.  If they had *just* won the championship
and CC, they would not,IMO, have stood as much chance (if any at all) of
getting the team of the year.

Quote:
> So is Bradford's much vaunted success (which
>didn't actually result in them winning anything) (let's remember that
>Saints and Wigan also beat Bradford in the League).

Who suggested voting for the Bulls?

Quote:
>The most successful RL team in the UK of the last year was Saints,
>indisputably. They won the Challenge Cup and the League

BUT (yet again) its not exceptional compared to winning the championship
and cup in other team sports.

Quote:
>, and what's
>more, ended (even if only temporarily) Wigan's reign - a feat that,
>in itself, deserves a great deal of gratitude from the non-Wigan RL
>public.

Irrelevant .I don't recall a soccer team being given the team of the year
award because they ended Liverpools domination of the game.  If another
soccer has team won the award after Liverpools reign I bet it had nothing
to do with who *lost*.

Quote:
>If you don't want any RL team other than Wigan to ever win the award,
>then don't vote, but if you want an RL team to have a chance, then
>the only vote can be for Saints.

I thought team of the year *used* to be decided by the sports journalists
and the only thing people voted for was the sports personality of the
year.  When Wigan won it I recall it was due to an overwhelming vote and
pressure from them due to the outstanding achievement of the team.

If it is now open to the public to vote then I fear Man Utd will win it
every year from now on because they have the biggest support of any team
in the UK.  It won't matter what they achieve if their fans follow the
same idea that started this thread.

Look, if Saints win next years WCC or GB win the ashes I will vote for
them.  THOSE achievements are exceptional and worthy of elevating an RL
team above any other sports championship winning sides.  OK?

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best