> I don't want to state the screamingly obvious, but a few people
>(especially pie-eaters) seem to be missing the point here.
No, the only people missing the point are the Saints fans who, after 20
years without a title seem to think this should elevate them to "Team of
the Year" as well. I suppose all the other teams who have won titles in
the last 20 years were automatic choices for the award? To remove the
Wigan factor, what makes you think Saints success this year, makes them
more deserving of this award than Widnes when they beat Canberra for the
>To say that the Beeb may not allow an RL team to win is fair enough.
>It's even fair enough to suggest that there are more deserving teams
>outside of RL - although I couldn't personally name one, being a one
This is the whole point. Saints or whoever wins the championship in
future will have to do MORE than that to warrant this award over and above
other teams from other sports who win their equivalent championship.
Otherwise if all fans of each sport voted for the champions of their
sport, soccers champions would win it every year.
>But the fact is that we're invited to vote for team OF THE YEAR. This
>means that the fact that Wigan have won more over the last ten years
>is an irrelevance.
Who is suggesting voting for Wigan this year? And you are right about it
being for *this year* but I'll say it again in with the faint hope it
might get through this time. When Wigan won this award they did it on the
back of an exceptional season (i.e. one years record). They went away to
win the World Club Championship. If they had *just* won the championship
and CC, they would not,IMO, have stood as much chance (if any at all) of
getting the team of the year.
> So is Bradford's much vaunted success (which
>didn't actually result in them winning anything) (let's remember that
>Saints and Wigan also beat Bradford in the League).
Who suggested voting for the Bulls?
>The most successful RL team in the UK of the last year was Saints,
>indisputably. They won the Challenge Cup and the League
BUT (yet again) its not exceptional compared to winning the championship
and cup in other team sports.
>, and what's
>more, ended (even if only temporarily) Wigan's reign - a feat that,
>in itself, deserves a great deal of gratitude from the non-Wigan RL
Irrelevant .I don't recall a soccer team being given the team of the year
award because they ended Liverpools domination of the game. If another
soccer has team won the award after Liverpools reign I bet it had nothing
to do with who *lost*.
>If you don't want any RL team other than Wigan to ever win the award,
>then don't vote, but if you want an RL team to have a chance, then
>the only vote can be for Saints.
I thought team of the year *used* to be decided by the sports journalists
and the only thing people voted for was the sports personality of the
year. When Wigan won it I recall it was due to an overwhelming vote and
pressure from them due to the outstanding achievement of the team.
If it is now open to the public to vote then I fear Man Utd will win it
every year from now on because they have the biggest support of any team
in the UK. It won't matter what they achieve if their fans follow the
same idea that started this thread.
Look, if Saints win next years WCC or GB win the ashes I will vote for
them. THOSE achievements are exceptional and worthy of elevating an RL
team above any other sports championship winning sides. OK?
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