Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by Anthony Andre » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Having for a while followed the SL problems in English RL and more recently
the rebellion of the English RU clubs against the RFU I am left pondering
which one is more screwed up in terms of its organisation.

Let's put it to the experts and see what they say.

I say RL as it has been professional for longer and should have got its act
together by now.  However, RU is catching up fast and could soon compete with
RL for the shooting itself in the foot awards.

Cheers

Anthony

 
 
 

Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by Stev » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>Having for a while followed the SL problems in English RL and more recently
>the rebellion of the English RU clubs against the RFU I am left pondering
>which one is more screwed up in terms of its organisation.

>Let's put it to the experts and see what they say.

>I say RL as it has been professional for longer and should have got its act
>together by now.  However, RU is catching up fast and could soon compete with
>RL for the shooting itself in the foot awards.

>Cheers

>Anthony

Your logic is impressive. Lets face it, I'm younger than my father but
regrettably despite the fact that he has had more time to get his health
sorted out I am considerably healthier than him ?!?!?!?

Using a commercial point of reference The Roman Empire was a commercial
power house long before the North of America was descovered by the white
man...and yet somehow the old Romans seem to have thrown away that key
commercial advantage.

The factors that make an organisation successful are many fold and
encompass:

money, stakeholder management, external factors, people issues and luck.

Try a more considered approach if you want to get me e***d.

--
Steve

 
 
 

Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by WiganRLf » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>I say RL as it has been professional for longer and should have got its act
>together by now.

That is a common fallacy.  RL has long been considered a professional sport
when in fact it was for many years semi-pro.  It is only with the advent of
Super League that all the top flight clubs went fully professional.

The RFL seemed to like being considered professional when in fact they were
not.  IMO it probably did more damage than good.

The RU liked to consider RL professional so they could ban players who switched
codes when and in fact toward the end of shamateurism in RU there was more
similarity in the financial rewards available to players than you might think.

IOW both sports have been to a certain extent semi-pro for some time.

Now they have both tried to make the leap to full time professional status they
are both experiencing the problems that brings and seem to have started
fighting amongst themselves as a result.

As to who is more screwed up I don't really care.  I just want RL to quit the
current round of in-fighting as now there is peace in Australia there is IMO a
great opportunity for the sport now that it is truly professional.

Dave
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Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by Brett Chapma » Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> The RFL seemed to like being considered professional when in fact they
were
> not.  IMO it probably did more damage than good.

Wow , so what was the real reason Tuigamala , Gallagher , Shuster , Ridge ,
Halligan ,
Timu and Botica crossed over , I know it wasn't for the scones and cordial
after the game .

Cheers Brett

 
 
 

Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by WiganRLf » Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>> The RFL seemed to like being considered professional when in fact they
>were
>> not.  IMO it probably did more damage than good.

>Wow , so what was the real reason Tuigamala , Gallagher , Shuster , Ridge ,
>Halligan ,
>Timu and Botica crossed over , I know it wasn't for the scones and cordial
>after the game .

It is a fact that for the majority of players have been semi-pro for the
majority of time RL has been played in the UK as a so called professional
sport.

My father was an engineering foreman at a local factory in between Wigan and
Leigh and quite often would be asked to find a job for an RL player who had
joined one of the clubs.  Its a bit like *amateur* RU players being given a
*job* coaching or whatever so they can continue to play the game.

In the UK Wigan were the first club to go full time about five or six years ago
but most clubs were still not fully professional until SL came along.  That's
another fact for you.

As to the players you mention of course big bucks were offered to get them to
switch and there were also a few established RL players who could afford to be
and were full time. The number of full time players was steadily growing prior
to SL but most clubs were still semi-pro. Therefore this situation hardly IMO
qualifies an entire sport as professional with the associated costs that
implies when (I say again) prior to SL coming along most were still semi-pro.

Now both sports are truly professional they seem to both have problems
adjusting to the increased costs this brings about.  Its as true for RL as for
RU.

Dave
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Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by Brett Chapma » Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:00:00

If ive got this wrong then someone will set it straight .
But  i thought league started in the SH due to the desire of players to be
payed to play . Quite a few early AB's were involved .
Also another AB great was blacklisted for accepting royalties from a book
of his rugby career (Graham Mourie) , while before him both (AB's) Karam
and Rollerson switched to legue for the money .

Cheers Brett

 
 
 

Which is more screwed up, English RL or RU?

Post by WiganRLf » Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>If ive got this wrong then someone will set it straight .
>But  i thought league started in the SH due to the desire of players to be
>payed to play .

Well I don't know about that in the SH but that is not how it started in the
NH.

Quote:
> Quite a few early AB's were involved .
>Also another AB great was blacklisted for accepting royalties from a book
>of his rugby career (Graham Mourie) , while before him both (AB's) Karam
>and Rollerson switched to legue for the money .

Various daft things like that happened over here. I think Bill Beumont received
similar treatment but my favourite story was an former RU defector and
ex-league player and coach was employed to coach an English international (Rob
Andrew I think) on goal kicking.  He had to yell his instructions from the side
lines because if he set foot on the pitch he would "professionalise" the
player.

Whatever, while its true many RU players turn to RL for cash RL in the UK long
remained a semi-pro sport and is now (like RU) having to adjust to full
professionalism.

Dave
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