Visa Cup - Round 1 Results

Visa Cup - Round 1 Results

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


* Friday, June 6th 1997

   BRISBANE 42 def LONDON 22 at ANZ Stadium, Brisbane
         Brisbane: Tries - Walters 2, Sailor, Mundine, Renouf,
                           Carroll, Lockyer
                   Goals - Lockyer 7
         London: Tries - Roskell 2, Duncan, Beazley
                 Goals - Barwick 3
         Referee: B Harrigan
         Attendance: 18,193

        Boy did Brisbane get a fright. They raced to a 12-0 lead after
twenty minutes but then through some good play and just a bit of luck
London struck back. When Australians found themselves down 18-12 at half
time they must have wondered what hit them. Well what hit them was a very
commited English side with a point to prove. And the key to that side
seemed to be Shaun Edwards. While he was there London were not only
competitive, they were the better side. They had something that many of
the other Euro League side we've seen since are sorely lacking, direction.
        But that great direction that Edwards provided was also shown to
be London's achilles heal. They were dependant on it and when Edwards was
forced from the field with a thigh injury the game changed dramtically.
Over the course of the final twenty minutes London went from an 22-18 lead
to a 42-22 loss. And it is in that figure that we see a better indication
fo the game. Far from the apparent easy win that the final score would
seem to show, Brisbane were in real danger getting beaten.
        And despite what some have claimed it wasn't really because they
played that badly (an excuse that I'm sure St Helens, Leeds and a few
others would like to use). They did drop slightly more ball than usual (15
handling errors as opposed to the usual 9 or so) but that was more than
balanced by the huge advantage they were given in the penalty count (9-2)
as London struggled with Australian ten metre interpretation. Brisbane had
everything going for them, but a pretty good side that is still developing
held them and made them work for their win. With an extra week to adjust
to Australian timezone, weather and rule intrepretaion things are looking
pretty good for London. And after the way Canterbury performed against
Wigan they might just come out of this tournament with a scalp or two yet.

   AUCKLAND 42 def ST HELENS 14 at Knowsley Road, St Helens
         Auckland: Tries - Hoppe 2, Swann 2, Jones, Kearney, Ropati
                   Goals - Ridge 7
         St Helens: Tries - Hunte, Sullivan
                    Goals - Goulding 2, Anderson
         Referee: S Cummings
         Attendance: 8,911

        Poor old St Helens. Perhaps they should have let the Bulls win the
Challenge Cup. It seems to have only brought them misfortune since.
Meanwhile their Bradford opponents are atop the league world (well they
are in the northern hemisphere anyway).

* Saturday, June 7th 1997

   NORTH QUEENSLAND 42 def LEEDS 20 at Stockland Stadium, Townsville
         North Queensland: Tries - Murphy 2, Shipway, Tabuai, Warwick,
                                   Jones, Cressbrook, Phillips
                           Goals - Phillips 5
         Leeds: Tries - Sterling 2, Gibson, Collins
                Goals - Harris 2
         Referee: S Clark
         Attendance: 14,561

        It's hard to make much of Leeds from this match. I can honestly
say that for the first thirty five minutes the Cowboys put on the best
period of football I have seen them play - ever. Their defense was
absolutely cruching causing a steady stream of errors from Leeds while
their attack showed a unprecedented amount of combination, understanding
and co-ordination. And they also showed intelligence and just a bit of
flair as well. They quickly worked out they Leeds were suspect to the pass
back inside towards to ruck and they exploited it. Passes that would have
been dropped last week stuck and tries that would have been bombed last
week were scored. Frankly, we couldn't believe it.
        But then the Cowboys hit form (well what we expect their form to
be) and in the five minutes before half time Leeds put on two quick tries
to be within six*** at the break. Soon after the resumption Leeds put on
another and were back within twelve (South Sydney all over again I
thought). Eventually the Cowboys started to play again and in the end made
it quite a comfortable victory.
        Now what I mean by my opening sentence is that it's hard to tell
if Leeds played well (for them) but just weren't in the same class as NQ
or if they were just beaten by an outstanding side on the night. As my
father pointed out it's easy to look good in ordinary company but I'm not
sure that's the case here. As I said I saw things from the Cowboys that
I've never seen from them before and those were not the sort of things
that are influenced by your opponents. Things like catching a football to
run unopposed over the line don't change. You either do it or you don't
and previously the Cowboys tended not to with great regularity. They
played very very well on the night. But to Leeds credit when they stopped
playing well, Leeds put on 16 points in quick time.
        That's not to say I liked what I saw from Leeds. As I said above
they have a real problem with the inside pass back up the centre and it
cost them. Their defense allowed NQ to make too much ground while their
attack didn't make enough of their own. The much touted Iestyn Harris
seemed to have gone AWOL and this left the Leeds with little focus in
their game. If Leeds are to really compete and to win then they all need
to fire and especially so their stars. Unlike a Brisbane or a Canberra
they don't have the wealth of super stars that can each compensate for the
off games of the others. If the stars don't fire then the side won't fire.
And if the side doesn't fire then it'll not only get beaten, it'll get
thrashed. And that's exactly what happened.

* Sunday, June 8th 1997

   ADELAIDE 50 def SALFORD 8 at Adelaide Oval
         Adelaide: Tries - Maybon 2, Kiri 2, Mamando,
                           Walters, Stone, Blair
                   Goals - Williamson 6, Wrigley 3
         Salford: Tries - Broadbent
                  Goals - Blakeley 2
         Referee: T Mander
         Attendance: 11,346

        I expected better from Salford. For fifty minutes they managed to
stay within reach of the Rams but then as has been the problem with most
of the European sides they seemed to hit the wall and their opposition ran
away with it. From the matches we've seen so far I'm in no doubt that all
these players have the skills and many of them the natural flair to be
stars in the Australian comp/s but as teams they just don't have it yet.
The sides either lack the direction to truly challenge their Australian
counterparts or they have that direction and give their opponents a good
fight for sixty minutes but then run out of puff.
        Both those are problems that can be rectified but it takes time.
As one observer (Brian Smith I think it was) pointed out, the English
sides have really only been competing at the level of the Australians in
terms of training time and techniques for the last twelve months or so.
Our players have had taloured weights programs, diets etc for years now
(probably going on a decade). The English are on the right track to
catching up but it's going to take time. Unfortunately during that period
we're going to see some of these blow out types of games.

   CANBERRA 70 def HALIFAX 6 at Bruce Stadium, Canberra
         Canberra: Tries - Nagas 6, Croker 2, Hetherington, Boyle,
                           Kennedy, Woolford, Westley
                   Goals - Furner 7, Lightning 1, Davico 1
         Halifax: Tries - Gillespie
                  Goals - Pearson
         Referee: B Grant
         Attendance: 7,780

        Probably the less said about this match the better. I don't care
how many excuses we come up with, allowing your opposition to rack up
seventy points is just plain pathetic.

   HUNTER 28 def PARIS ST GERMAIN 12 at Charlety Stadium, Paris
         Hunter: Tries - Beauchamp, Brann, Godden, Hill, Ross
                 Goals - Piccinelli4
         Paris St Germain: Tries -  Bird, Devecchi
                           Goals - O'Connor 2
         Referee: S Presley
         Attendance: 3,500

   PERTH 24 def CASTLEFORD 16 at Wheldon Road, Castleford
         Perth: Tries - Grieve, Rodwell, Shiels, Wilson
                Goals - Ryan 4
         Castleford: Tries - Chapman, Critchley, Tonks
                     Goals - Orr, Tonks
         Referee: R Connolly
         Attendance: 3,590

        And just as we're all disecting the woeful performance of Halifax,
the lads from Castleford and Paris (via Australia) show their more
favourable cousins how to do things. Obviously they didn't win but they
weren't exactly thrashed either. For teams coming equal last in their comp
with just two wins each for the year they were entitled to get beaten by a
lot more but they kept it respectable and perhaps in the next couple of
weeks they might even catch one of their opponents off guard. The one
caveat to that is that they're currently at home. When the away games
during the second leg they might find the going a bit tougher.

   CRONULLA 40 def WARRINGTON 12 at Wilderspool, Warrington
         Cronulla: Tries - Richardson 4, Barnett, Forrester,
                           Peachey, Rogers
                   Goals - Rogers 4
         Warrington: Tries - Shelford, Vagana
                     Goals - Briers 2
         Referee: R Smith
         Attendance: 3,368

* Monday, June 9th 1997

   WIGAN 22 def CANTERBURY 18 at Belmore Sports Ground
         Wigan: Tries - Robinson 2, Haughton, Johnson
                Goals - Farrell 2, Paul
         Canterbury: Tries - Hetherington, Timu, Ryan
                     Goals - Halligan 3
         Referee: G Annesley
         Attendance: 10,680

        Basically Canterbury lost this one exactly the same way they lost
last Monday against Penrith - ie. too much dropped ball. They had the
field positon and they had the opportunities but they just ...

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Post by Ro » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>   AUCKLAND 42 def ST HELENS 14 at Knowsley Road, St Helens
>         Attendance: 8,911
>   HUNTER 28 def PARIS ST GERMAIN 12 at Charlety Stadium, Paris
>         Attendance: 3,500
>   PERTH 24 def CASTLEFORD 16 at Wheldon Road, Castleford
>         Attendance: 3,590
>   CRONULLA 40 def WARRINGTON 12 at Wilderspool, Warrington
>         Attendance: 3,368

Is this the norm for Euro League games? Never knew they got such shit
crowds.
I read in the paper that Super League had really taken off over there.
I guess that was a little bit of an exaggeration.

 
 
 

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

:    PENRITH 20 def BRADFORD 16 at Odsal Stadium, Bradford
:          Penrith: Tries - Brown, Domic, Girdler, Jorgenson
:                   Goals - Girdler 2
:          Bradford: Tries - Peacock, Scales, Spruce
:                    Goals - McNamara 2
:          Referee: D Campbell
:          Attendance: 14,378

At half time I was looking around the ground at the crowd trying to gauge
what sort of size it was and I figured it wasn't the biggest crowd of the
season but maybe there were 19,000 there. They've announced crowds of
similar looking size as 17,000 and people have involuntarily told the
announcer to f' off. Then the guy came on and said there were 14,000 there
and 19,000 burst out laughing.

Oh well, so long as the money hidden from the tax man goes to the club
and not the chairman...

As for Penrith, I didn't rate them much. I don't know if they're a quick
side by Aus' standards but that and Bradford's handling errors were the
telling factors. If ball hadn't gone to ground, which it always will with
Bradford's style of play, Bradford could have had 30 unanswered points on
the board by half time. Penrith pounced (cat like?) on the loose ball and
it was a try at the other end. Bradford have no one with pace. Simple as
that.

In short, Penrith were less trouble than Oldham in the first half. In the
second half Dewsbury Miner's Welfare would have beaten Bradford.

 
 
 

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> In article



Quote:
> >   AUCKLAND 42 def ST HELENS 14 at Knowsley Road, St Helens
> >         Attendance: 8,911
> >   HUNTER 28 def PARIS ST GERMAIN 12 at Charlety Stadium, Paris

> >         Attendance: 3,500
> >   PERTH 24 def CASTLEFORD 16 at Wheldon Road, Castleford

> >         Attendance: 3,590
> >   CRONULLA 40 def WARRINGTON 12 at Wilderspool, Warrington
> >         Attendance: 3,368
> Is this the norm for Euro League games? Never knew they got such shit
> crowds.
> I read in the paper that Super League had really taken off over there.
> I guess that was a little bit of an exaggeration.

Just notice how the crowd figures dropped as the truth became
apparent that the Euro teams are just not quite there yet.
If we were to apply the rules to the Aus teams and improve our
games then we would attract the crowds.  People are just miffed
that we are getting beaten and also too many games are played on
weekday evenings when people just cannot get there from work.
Especially when they are all on sky anyway.

I just Wish I was in Aus following Wigan.
If someone will pay for me I will go and support them anywhere
in the world.

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Post by Antonioni P » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:14:03 +0100

> Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby.league
> Subject: Re: Visa Cup - Round 1 Results
> Just notice how the crowd figures dropped as the truth became
> apparent that the Euro teams are just not quite there yet.
> If we were to apply the rules to the Aus teams and improve our
> games then we would attract the crowds.  People are just miffed
> that we are getting beaten and also too many games are played on
> weekday evenings when people just cannot get there from work.
> Especially when they are all on sky anyway.

> I just Wish I was in Aus following Wigan.
> If someone will pay for me I will go and support them anywhere
> in the world.

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>I thought the Saints crowd was a bit low by about 2-3000, Cas about

right, Paris crowds suspect as usual, and Wire fans knew they were on a
hiding to nothing anyway (Not only are they a poor side this year , but
they're injury hit as well. It's a bit like the children's crusade at
wilderspool)

P.J.

 
 
 

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Post by Henry F Franci » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> As for Penrith, I didn't rate them much. I don't know if they're a quick
> side by Aus' standards but that and Bradford's handling errors were the
> telling factors. If ball hadn't gone to ground, which it always will with
> Bradford's style of play, Bradford could have had 30 unanswered points on
> the board by half time. Penrith pounced (cat like?) on the loose ball and
> it was a try at the other end. Bradford have no one with pace. Simple as
> that.

> In short, Penrith were less trouble than Oldham in the first half. In the
> second half Dewsbury Miner's Welfare would have beaten Bradford.

So, what you are trying to say is,(while choked to the max)that Bradford
lost the game Penrith didn't win the game.
I have heard a similar load of bollocks from every other losing teams
fan.IF,IF.IF my aunty had balls she would be an uncle.
If Bradford had won "BRING ON THE NEXT LOSERS WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS"
Next, Penrith will be a bunch of ***ers for not winning by more.
Royce Simmons knows which buttons to push,the second half showed that.
Henry:)
 
 
 

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


: > As for Penrith, I didn't rate them much. I don't know if they're a quick
: > side by Aus' standards but that and Bradford's handling errors were the
: > telling factors. If ball hadn't gone to ground, which it always will with
: > Bradford's style of play, Bradford could have had 30 unanswered points on
: > the board by half time. Penrith pounced (cat like?) on the loose ball and
: > it was a try at the other end. Bradford have no one with pace. Simple as
: > that.
: >
: > In short, Penrith were less trouble than Oldham in the first half. In the
: > second half Dewsbury Miner's Welfare would have beaten Bradford.

: So, what you are trying to say is,(while choked to the max)that Bradford
: lost the game Penrith didn't win the game.

I am choked, and I am saying Bradford lost it rather than Penrith
winning it. No one took control of the game when it was needed and
Bradford went for the try on the first and second tackle when driving
the ball and plugging away was needed. Over exuberance led to dropped
ball and Penrith's tries came off dropped ball. A lack of pace in the
Bradford backs meant that recovering from those situations was next to
impossible.

Congratulations to Penrith for the win, but a bit more control and
direction from Bradford wouldn't have let them get in that position in
the first place.

Did we see the same game or are you trying flaim bait?

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Post by Paul McNal » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:10:18 +0800, Henry F Francis

Quote:

>> As for Penrith, I didn't rate them much. I don't know if they're a quick
>> side by Aus' standards but that and Bradford's handling errors were the
>> telling factors. If ball hadn't gone to ground, which it always will with
>> Bradford's style of play, Bradford could have had 30 unanswered points on
>> the board by half time. Penrith pounced (cat like?) on the loose ball and
>> it was a try at the other end. Bradford have no one with pace. Simple as
>> that.

>> In short, Penrith were less trouble than Oldham in the first half. In the
>> second half Dewsbury Miner's Welfare would have beaten Bradford.

>So, what you are trying to say is,(while choked to the max)that Bradford
>lost the game Penrith didn't win the game.
>I have heard a similar load of bollocks from every other losing teams
>fan.IF,IF.IF my aunty had balls she would be an uncle.
>If Bradford had won "BRING ON THE NEXT LOSERS WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS"
>Next, Penrith will be a bunch of ***ers for not winning by more.
>Royce Simmons knows which buttons to push,the second half showed that.
>Henry:)

You mate, are a right ***.

And I think I speak for everyone!

Paul

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>> As for Penrith, I didn't rate them much. I don't know if they're a quick
>> side by Aus' standards but that and Bradford's handling errors were the
>> telling factors. If ball hadn't gone to ground, which it always will with
>> Bradford's style of play, Bradford could have had 30 unanswered points on
>> the board by half time. Penrith pounced (cat like?) on the loose ball and
>> it was a try at the other end. Bradford have no one with pace. Simple as
>> that.

>> In short, Penrith were less trouble than Oldham in the first half. In the
>> second half Dewsbury Miner's Welfare would have beaten Bradford.

>So, what you are trying to say is,(while choked to the max)that Bradford
>lost the game Penrith didn't win the game.
>I have heard a similar load of bollocks from every other losing teams
>fan.IF,IF.IF my aunty had balls she would be an uncle.

Sorry sad man check the postings and you will see a number of people put
there hands up to being beaten by the best side (me included).

Quote:
>If Bradford had won "BRING ON THE NEXT LOSERS WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS"
>Next, Penrith will be a bunch of ***ers for not winning by more.
>Royce Simmons knows which buttons to push,the second half showed that.
>Henry:)

You clearly know less about RL than me, and that's saying something.
Penrith had less of the game in the second half than the first.

Or are you saying the tactic was, just lie back, keep absorbing the
pressure, knock on a few times to lull them into a false sense of
security then strike because they will miss the drop goal and we can
score in the last minute.

--
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Post by Paul Matthe » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>Is this the norm for Euro League games? Never knew they got such shit
>crowds.
>I read in the paper that Super League had really taken off over there.
>I guess that was a little bit of an exaggeration.

On the whole, attendeances have been "disappointing"

The exception is Bradford, who actually know the meaning of the word
"marketing"

Too many clubs have assumed that they will retain all their supporters.
This has clearly not been the case. Prior to starting SL, there were bold
predictions of 20,000 attendances at all games.

As an example Me and my wife used to only miss 3 or 4 games home and away
all season. Now we sit and wonder what to do in the winter, but there is
too much on in the summer to make many games. If the lawn needs cutting
and it is dry, I've got to get it done, it might rain later and I could
be unable to mow the lawn again for a couple more weeks. I am looking for
bits to continue building my bike, and summer is autojumble season.

The faffing about with match days/times does not help. I don't want to
travel to Bradford getting there at 2:00 to find kickoff is 7:30.

There will be many more people in this sort of position. Bradford have
probably lost quite a few die-hard spectators with the change to summer,
BUT they have gone out and got more back. No-One else has done anything
like Bradford.

Paul Matthews
http://www.triton.u-net.com

 
 
 

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Seems Like Leigh beet me into sendingt all the round 1 results.
I have put the WCC results on my web site.
And also all the ESL results are up to date.
Now if only Paul McNally would update the ESL table which I point to
everything would be up to date finally.

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Post by Paul Matthe » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:18:32 +0100, Steve Morris

Quote:

>>I have heard a similar load of bollocks from every other losing teams
>>fan.IF,IF.IF my aunty had balls she would be an uncle.

>Sorry sad man check the postings and you will see a number of people put
>there hands up to being beaten by the best side (me included).

I've not noticed anyone saying anything from the Aussie side about the
Wigan game yet.

Paul Matthews
http://www.triton.u-net.com

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>> As for Penrith, I didn't rate them much. I don't know if they're a quick
>> side by Aus' standards but that and Bradford's handling errors were the
>> telling factors. If ball hadn't gone to ground, which it always will with
>> Bradford's style of play, Bradford could have had 30 unanswered points on
>> the board by half time. Penrith pounced (cat like?) on the loose ball and
>> it was a try at the other end. Bradford have no one with pace. Simple as
>> that.

>> In short, Penrith were less trouble than Oldham in the first half. In the
>> second half Dewsbury Miner's Welfare would have beaten Bradford.

>So, what you are trying to say is,(while choked to the max)that Bradford
>lost the game Penrith didn't win the game.
>I have heard a similar load of bollocks from every other losing teams
>fan.IF,IF.IF my aunty had balls she would be an uncle.
>If Bradford had won "BRING ON THE NEXT LOSERS WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS"
>Next, Penrith will be a bunch of ***ers for not winning by more.
>Royce Simmons knows which buttons to push,the second half showed that.
>Henry:)

Perhaps he said

"close your eyes and I'll kiss you, tomorrow I'll miss you...."

--
Steve Morris