Whatever happened to Leeds?

Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Geff Fost » Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:00:00


As there seems to be a lack of PC's in Leeds I think it is my
duty to state what an absolute shambles of a side the Loiners
are!

On Monday I fully expected for us to be in for a real fire
and brimstone clash against the trainee Vermin.

After the first fif*** minutes of the game I saw no reason
to doubt my early fears, Iro, Mann and Fallon seemed to be
up for it and Saints were having trouble implementing their
own brand of high speed rugby. Leeds were 16 points to 8 up
and seemed to be coasting.

It was at this time that Goulding decided he would change
the battle tactics to top secret plan B.

For anybody who does not know what plan B is, I will tell
you, although I must warn you that it only works against
Leeds.

On attack

A. Receive Ball
B. Run straight at Leeds defender(s)
C. Keep running
D. Put ball down over line
E. Kick goal
F. Increment scoreboard by 6 points.

On Defence

A. Stand in a straight line and look menacing.
B. Collect ball when dropped or when Shultz/McDermott/Howard gives away
   silly penalty
C. Revert to offensive plan.

It's that easy!

Of course no plan is foolproof when you have noted donkeys like Hammond
and Sullivan in the side and with Connolly reffing the game, but hey
you can't have everything can you?

Seriously though, I have never seen a more pathetic Leeds team in the
fif*** years I have been watching RL.

I am constantly hearing about how Bell/McGahan are trying to turn things
round at Headingley - Bollocks!

All I've seen is a shed full of good pros been booted out the doors,
with a load of spotty faced ***agers been asked to become superstars
overnight!

It's pointless *** off your most talented players and hoping that
your young lads are going to tear through the league like wild horses,
it simply doesn't work.

I have never been a lover of Garry Schofield but boy how they missed
him on Monday.

It's obvious Holroyd is no scrum half so why do they
persist in playing him there?

The kid looks as if he has the makings of a damn good stand-off but at
this moment in time the poor lad is shellshocked, what Bell is doing
to him is criminal and he is running the risk of ruining the kid for
life! The same goes for Francis Cummins, he must of played in every
back position on the park on Monday!

George Mann is a pale shadow of the player who regularly terrorised
defences around the league when he was at Saints and if ever a player
needed a rocket up his arse it's Kevin Iro.

At the end of the match the entire mood of the Leeds speccies was
summed up when the P.A. system droned out the song "Yesterday!"

Indeed!

Mean Dean may have been one of the best centres in the World, but I'm
afraid that his coaching leaves a lot to be desired! If he doesn't
turn the Loiners round in a big way in the next few weeks I think it
may be time for him to get the old Vote of confidence from the board!

Geff

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Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Thu, 11 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>For anybody who does not know what plan B is, I will tell
>you, although I must warn you that it only works against
>Leeds.
>On attack
>A. Receive Ball
>B. Run straight at Leeds defender(s)
>C. Keep running
>D. Put ball down over line
>E. Kick goal
>F. Increment scoreboard by 6 points.
>On Defence
>A. Stand in a straight line and look menacing.
>B. Collect ball when dropped or when Shultz/McDermott/Howard gives away
>   silly penalty
>C. Revert to offensive plan.
>It's that easy!

Do you not think gifting Iro the ball so he can run the length of the
field only to knock on over the line with no one within a mile of him
added to the occasion then?

Quote:
>The kid looks as if he has the makings of a damn good stand-off but at
>this moment in time the poor lad is shellshocked, what Bell is doing
>to him is criminal and he is running the risk of ruining the kid for
>life! The same goes for Francis Cummins, he must of played in every
>back position on the park on Monday!

Holroyd was talked about as though he was the second coming a few
years back when he and Schofield kept Entat on the bench. You're
right, he's a brilliant stand-off but sadly lacking at scrum-half.
It's ironic that George Mann is sadly lacking at stand-off too I
suppose.

The rumours suggest they'll be announcing some 'major' signings either
this week or next with a scrum-half and two back row forwards
mentioned (in spirit if not name). According to an interview with
Deano on Radio Leeds work permits are hard to come by so at least one
of them is from foreign shores. If Leeds' recent luck is anything to
go by they'll have signed Ricky Stuart on a one year contract. :)

Quote:
>George Mann is a pale shadow of the player who regularly terrorised
>defences around the league when he was at Saints and if ever a player
>needed a rocket up his arse it's Kevin Iro.

He needs a spell on the bench to buck his ideas up. He's been on the
field a few times since then but I don't think he's played a game
since Innes left. The trouble is of course that they have such a young
side now that a lot of the senior players have left that they need
some old-heads on the field to set an example. The only example Iro
can set is how to be an idle ***. The daft thing is they've got a
safe and experienced full-back in Tait to slot in but they just won't
play him.

Anyway, I'm not going to complain. I've been praying for this since
1978 so I'm going to enjoy it while I can. An added bonus is that my
Prof' is a Leeds fan so I get to make him squirm as well. :)

Cheers,
Chris.

 
 
 

Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Thu, 11 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>For anybody who does not know what plan B is, I will tell
>you, although I must warn you that it only works against
>Leeds.
>On attack
>A. Receive Ball
>B. Run straight at Leeds defender(s)
>C. Keep running
>D. Put ball down over line
>E. Kick goal
>F. Increment scoreboard by 6 points.
>On Defence
>A. Stand in a straight line and look menacing.
>B. Collect ball when dropped or when Shultz/McDermott/Howard gives away
>   silly penalty
>C. Revert to offensive plan.
>It's that easy!

Do you not think gifting Iro the ball so he can run the length of the
field only to knock on over the line with no one within a mile of him
added to the occasion then?

Quote:
>The kid looks as if he has the makings of a damn good stand-off but at
>this moment in time the poor lad is shellshocked, what Bell is doing
>to him is criminal and he is running the risk of ruining the kid for
>life! The same goes for Francis Cummins, he must of played in every
>back position on the park on Monday!

Holroyd was talked about as though he was the second coming a few
years back when he and Schofield kept Entat on the bench. You're
right, he's a brilliant stand-off but sadly lacking at scrum-half.
It's ironic that George Mann is sadly lacking at stand-off too I
suppose.

The rumours suggest they'll be announcing some 'major' signings either
this week or next with a scrum-half and two back row forwards
mentioned (in spirit if not name). According to an interview with
Deano on Radio Leeds work permits are hard to come by so at least one
of them is from foreign shores. If Leeds' recent luck is anything to
go by they'll have signed Ricky Stuart on a one year contract. :)

Quote:
>George Mann is a pale shadow of the player who regularly terrorised
>defences around the league when he was at Saints and if ever a player
>needed a rocket up his arse it's Kevin Iro.

He needs a spell on the bench to buck his ideas up. He's been on the
field a few times since then but I don't think he's played a game
since Innes left. The trouble is of course that they have such a young
side now that a lot of the senior players have left that they need
some old-heads on the field to set an example. The only example Iro
can set is how to be an idle ***. The daft thing is they've got a
safe and experienced full-back in Tait to slot in but they just won't
play him.

Anyway, I'm not going to complain. I've been praying for this since
1978 so I'm going to enjoy it while I can. An added bonus is that my
Prof' is a Leeds fan so I get to make him squirm as well. :)

Cheers,
Chris.

 
 
 

Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Craig Tyso » Thu, 11 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Anyone know if Dean Bell is still on the payroll at Wigan??
After being their nearest challengers for 2 years, maybe he's been planted
at Headingley by WIgan to make them crap.  Personally, being a Bulls fan, I
am brought up to think that L**ds always have been crap, it's SO good to
see them 2nd bottom!!

Craig

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Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by d.m.fis.. » Fri, 12 Apr 1996 04:00:00


<SNIP>

Quote:
>The daft thing is they've got a
>safe and experienced full-back in Tait to slot in but they just won't
>play him.
<SNIP>
>Chris.

Of all the daft things various Leeds managements have done over the years this
has got to be one of the most difficult to understand. In fact, I've never
understood why Tait is so poorly rated in the games as a whole. I've hardly
seen him play a bad game since he came into League. He is invariably safe, he
tackles extremely well, and is pretty good at running the ball out.

So what has he done wrong?

Is he disliked for some reason that has little to do with his playing ability?

I'd really appreciate an answer to this one

Yours,

Dave Fisher

 
 
 

Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by WiganRLf » Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
Foster) writes:
>As there seems to be a lack of PC's in Leeds I think it is my
>duty to state what an absolute shambles of a side the Loiners
>are!

They seem to be in a bit of a mess but you have got to feel sorry for Dean
Bell.  There he is thinking he's going to coach the richest club in the
land only to find out it has run out of cash, has to sell players and he
can only buy second-raters.

As far as Kevin Iro is concerned, it just goes to show how good the
coaching at Wigan  is! (that should raise a few of the usual anti-Wigan
comments).  When he was there he was one of the most feared players around
but he did need the occasional prompt.  Now he seems to have gone off the
boil altogether.

Dave

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Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Paul McNall » Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Anyone know if Dean Bell is still on the payroll at Wigan??

Wouldn't surprise me. That Jack Robinson is a shifty devil - alledegly!
:)
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Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Geff Fost » Mon, 15 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>As far as Kevin Iro is concerned, it just goes to show how good the
>coaching at Wigan  is! (that should raise a few of the usual anti-Wigan
>comments).  When he was there he was one of the most feared players around
>but he did need the occasional prompt.  Now he seems to have gone off the
>boil altogether.

I think you will find that Iro is doing the same amount of work he did at
Wigan unfortunately for him defenses have got a hell of a lot better since
the days when he was scoring tries left right and centre.

One only has too look at the contrast in his reputation over here and in
Australia.

Basically if you've got a centre/winger who can tackle then he's out of the
game.

Quote:
>Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the (Second) Best and not going to Wembley :-)

Geff

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Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by M.J.Murtlan » Wed, 17 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>As there seems to be a lack of PC's in Leeds I think it is my
>duty to state what an absolute shambles of a side the Loiners
>are!

<snip>

Quote:
>All I've seen is a shed full of good pros been booted out the doors,
>with a load of spotty faced ***agers been asked to become superstars
>overnight!
>It's pointless *** off your most talented players and hoping that
>your young lads are going to tear through the league like wild horses,
>it simply doesn't work.

I don't think it is fair to blame the McGahan/Bell management for this, though.
Certainly, when they arrived there were a few things at the club they didn't
like, but all new coaches tend to make changes. What will have come as a
surprise to them will have been the fact that they were, basically, unable to
make any signings to improve the things that they felt were wrong. I imagine,
after losing loadsa money in the Centenary (who didn't?) and knowing that
in the near future they would have to bring those wage bills down to just 40%
of revenue, the board has been simply unable to allow Bell to make major
signings, whilst it got things under control.

The thing that gets me is the way Alf Davies keeps on almost personally
blaming Doug Laughton for the financial state of the club. Sure he made the
signings but surely someone gave the thumbs up to them?  
Whatever, such is the current situation that the big-name signing days
appear to be over and we are stuck with the juniors to make up the team.

Quote:
>I have never been a lover of Garry Schofield but boy how they missed
>him on Monday.

I was a lover (well you know what I mean :-)  ) and there is no doubt that he
would have made a difference to all the Leeds performances this season.

Quote:
>It's obvious Holroyd is no scrum half so why do they
>persist in playing him there?
>The kid looks as if he has the makings of a damn good stand-off but at
>this moment in time the poor lad is shellshocked, what Bell is doing
>to him is criminal and he is running the risk of ruining the kid for
>life!

Absolutely right. But until we get our hands on a scrum-half then it looks as
if he is stuck there. Especially with Tony Kemp fit again (soon) he won't be
able to walk back into the stand-off position.

<snip>

Quote:
>and if ever a player
>needed a rocket up his arse it's Kevin Iro.

Well, I've been saying this for about three years! He spent most of the game
at Oldham looking generally pissed-off with the world. And he still managed
to score two tries! I wouldn't be surprised if he was the next to move along.
That's if anyone wants a player who only comes to life in 25% of the matches
and who has a hilarious penchant for dropping the ball over the try-line
with no defenders in sight.

But as we Leeds fans often say. . . there's always next year, or maybe
the one after. Hey. We've been saying this since 1984! Sometime it's got to
stop.
But maybe not in my lifetime.

Matt

 
 
 

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:00:00

: <SNIP>

: Of all the daft things various Leeds managements have done over the years this
: has got to be one of the most difficult to understand. In fact, I've never
: understood why Tait is so poorly rated in the games as a whole. I've hardly
: seen him play a bad game since he came into League. He is invariably safe, he
: tackles extremely well, and is pretty good at running the ball out.

: So what has he done wrong?

The only thing I can think of is that he must have tonked Deano one when
he was playing for Wigan. It's a shame, I've always rated him. I know he's
not getting any younger but when you look at the side Leeds are putting
out at the moment then you would have thought that's exactly what they
need, particularly in a spot like full-back.

Instead the Loiners have to suffer Francis Cummins, two seasons ago touted
as the youngest kid to play at Wembley and now one of the most experienced
players in a Leeds shirt, who can't tackle to save his life.

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Post by M. J. Murtlan » Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Of all the daft things various Leeds managements have done over the years this
>has got to be one of the most difficult to understand. In fact, I've never
>understood why Tait is so poorly rated in the games as a whole. I've hardly
>seen him play a bad game since he came into League. He is invariably safe, he
>tackles extremely well, and is pretty good at running the ball out.

Yeah, Tait has been exceptional for Leeds ever since he arrived. He has
supposedly had an injury, but who knows why Dean Bell has refused to play him.
I remember he had a couple of very poor games at the start of the Centenary
season, and very little has been seen of him since.
But once the equally strange sale of Paul Cook had gone through, you would
have thought that there would be no other option but to play him.
The only explanation I can come up with is that, in a similar way to Richie
Eyres, Tait has made a very unfavourable impression on Bell in his attitude
towards training or playing or the club in general. Again I am speculating,
but it wouldn't surprise me if the problems with both players stem from the
unexpected nature of Doug Laughton's departure, especially when you consider
that, of all of the Leeds players, Tait and Eyres were truly two of "Douggie's
boys".

Whatever, at the moment I would imagine Alan Tait would be able to provide
valuable experience in a very weak team. I am sure Gibbons (whichever one is
the full-back - Anthony? Heck I can't remember) will develop into a good
player some day; but at the moment he still looks a little edgy.

Cheers,
Matt.

 
 
 

Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by Malc Brook » Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Times must be hard at Leeds, there's a prop for sale (Skerret) and
they haven't bought him yet. Time was they would buy a new prop every
month ;-)

Regards, Malc
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Post by John Lancast » Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>They seem to be in a bit of a mess but you have got to feel sorry for Dean
>Bell.  There he is thinking he's going to coach the richest club in the
>land only to find out it has run out of cash, has to sell players and he
>can only buy second-raters.

Eh, I thought he had left Wigan and gone to Leeds !!

John Lancaster
St Helens, Merseyside, UK.

 
 
 

Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by J.B. F » Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:


>>They seem to be in a bit of a mess but you have got to
feel sorry for Dean
>>Bell.  There he is thinking he's going to coach the
richest club in the
>>land only to find out it has run out of cash, has to
sell players and he
>>can only buy second-raters.

>Eh, I thought he had left Wigan and gone to Leeds !!

>John Lancaster
>St Helens, Merseyside, UK.

I think that Dean Bell is just Purely a poor coach. He
was a great player but that doesn't make him an instant
good coach. He should've had some time in the lower
leagues to get some coaching. With the Bradford semi
final match his players made some strategic howlers. They
came out in the second half and did just the same thing.
He ought to try building a team, starting with a scrum
half and switch holroyd to number 6. He's got what will
be a decent scrum half in dave gibbons. Instead of just
trying to carry on the leeds tradition he should try and
stamp his own ideals on the team. Until he trys some
proper coaching and fitness increasing stuff he's always
gonna come second.

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Whatever happened to Leeds?

Post by WiganRLf » Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
(Malc Brookes) writes:
>Times must be hard at Leeds, there's a prop for sale (Skerret) and
>they haven't bought him yet. Time was they would buy a new prop every
>month ;-)

Well, they would not even have to  buy him, his contract states he is on a
free transfer and Wigan would have let him go fro free just to ease the
wage bill.  The 40% salary cap begins to bite.

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