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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00


May I just correct Mike's article on Whelan's takeover bid.

In the article on this site Mike Rogers WEB site author stated:-

'There is still some opposition to this plan amongst fans who formed the Wigan
Independant Supporters Association. The orignal intent of the organisation was
to force the club to remain at Central Park, although another goal was the
removal of the current board to be replaced by a more pro-Whelan one.'

This
is wholy incorrect.  It was the SAC (Supporters Action Campaign headed up by
Colin Knowles and Chris Singletary that opposed the sale of Central Park and
motioned for a new board.

WISA (Wigan Independant Supporters Association) is a
new organisation completely and has no connection in policy with the SAC.  The
SAC has been put on hold and some members who still wish to meet together and
keep the newly formed frinedships going have joined WISA.  I hope Mike will
correct this mistake.

On behalf of WISA
Phil & Mike

WISA have written to Mr Rogers and hopefully the article will be corrected
ASAP.

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Post by WiganRLf » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>May I just correct Mike's article on Whelan's takeover bid.

Is there such a thing?  Has it been formally announced?

Quote:
>In the article on this site Mike Rogers WEB site author stated:-

>'There is still some opposition to this plan amongst fans who formed the Wigan
>Independant Supporters Association.

Well Phil I think you should have quoted more of the article.  For Mike to say
there is "some opposition to this" is correct when the "this" means a move to
Robin Park as opposed to staying at CP.  

For the benefit of others Mike speculates that a Whelan takeover would increase
the likely hood of a move to Robin Park and that this might be opposed by "some
fans who formed WISA".

If there are (former) members of SAC in WISA than surely he is right to say (or
maybe assume)  there is some opposition within WISA to such a move.

Quote:
> The orignal intent of the organisation was
>to force the club to remain at Central Park, although another goal was the
>removal of the current board to be replaced by a more pro-Whelan one.'

>This
>is wholy incorrect.

The above bit may be, but the first bit about "some opposition within WISA" (to
a move) is surely not incorrect.

Quote:
>  It was the SAC (Supporters Action Campaign headed up by
>Colin Knowles and Chris Singletary that opposed the sale of Central Park and
>motioned for a new board.

>WISA (Wigan Independant Supporters Association) is a
>new organisation completely and has no connection in policy with the SAC.  The
>SAC has been put on hold and some members who still wish to meet together and
>keep the newly formed frinedships going have joined WISA.

So unless they have changed their minds about moving away from CP then its true
to say (as Mike said) that there is some opposition to the move within WISA.

Quote:
> I hope Mike will
>correct this mistake.

>WISA have written to Mr Rogers and hopefully the article will be corrected
>ASAP.

It's all getting a bit OTT isn't it?

Anyway, do WISA have a "policy" on Mr. Whelan?

Do WISA have a policy as regards the move to Robin Park?

Are they worried about Mr. Whelan's involvement due to his past record?
(Lets face it, he made such a ***offer for the ground it made it easy for the
old board to justify the sale to Tesco in the first place.  Perhaps that was
all part of Mr. Whelan's grand plan!).

Or have they been bought off with the Sailor deal? (Yet to be completed).

Dave
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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00

No Dave read the damn quote.

'There is still some opposition to this plan amongst fans who formed the Wigan
Independant Supporters Association. The orignal intent of the organisation was
to force the club to remain at Central Park, although another goal was the
removal of the current board to be replaced by a more pro-Whelan one.'

Miks is saying the WISA is actually the SAC.  IS WISA has some opposition
to move and WISA had an original intent to force the club to remain at CP
and to remove the current board (at the time).

He is mixing up WISA and SAC.  WISA is a new supporters club.  WISA aims
to support the club and be a voice for fans directly to the club.  WISA
is anot a subset or development of the old SAC, which is now on-hold.

The organisors of WISA and the elected official of WISA have nothing to do
with SAC, but may have supported the SAC actions in the past.  WISA always
has been and will remian seperate from SAC.

Had Mike reported it this way there would have been no problems.  IE.

'There is still some opposition to this plan amongst fans who formed the Wigan
Supporters Aaction Campaign. The orignal intent of the organisation was
to force the club to remain at Central Park, although another goal was the
removal of the current board to be replaced by a more pro-Whelan one.'

DO NOT CONFUSE WISA WITH SAC..

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Post by WiganRLf » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>No Dave read the damn quote.

Read my damn post again!

Quote:
>'There is still some opposition to this plan amongst fans who formed the Wigan
>Independant Supporters Association.

So tell me Phil are all members of wisa in favour of moving from CP?  Have
those who were in SAC who are now in wisa dropped their opposition to a move?

If any of them are still opposed to a move then it is true to say there is
*some* opposition to this plan in wisa.

Quote:
>The orignal intent of the organisation was
>to force the club to remain at Central Park, although another goal was the
>removal of the current board to be replaced by a more pro-Whelan one.'

>Miks is saying the WISA is actually the SAC.

I agree with you here as I did in my original reply.

Quote:
>  IS WISA has some opposition
>to move and WISA had an original intent to force the club to remain at CP
>and to remove the current board (at the time).

Eh?

Quote:
>He is mixing up WISA and SAC.  WISA is a new supporters club.  WISA aims
>to support the club and be a voice for fans directly to the club.  WISA
>is anot a subset or development of the old SAC, which is now on-hold.

>The organisors of WISA and the elected official of WISA have nothing to do
>with SAC, but may have supported the SAC actions in the past.

And therefore presumably opposed the move.

Quote:
> WISA always
>has been and will remian seperate from SAC.

Fine.

Quote:
>Had Mike reported it this way there would have been no problems.  IE.

>'There is still some opposition to this plan amongst fans who formed the Wigan
>Supporters Aaction Campaign.

So no one in, or organisers of, wisa have any opposition?

Quote:
> The orignal intent of the organisation was
>to force the club to remain at Central Park, although another goal was the
>removal of the current board to be replaced by a more pro-Whelan one.'

I have not, although I do find it strange that opposition to the move seems to
have died away now the new board is in place and wisa has formed.  Why is SAC
on hold if the move is to go ahead? Surely they should be pressuring the new
board as they were the old.  Perhaps everyone reckons its a done deal.

Dave

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> So tell me Phil are all members of wisa in favour of moving from CP?  Have
> those who were in SAC who are now in wisa dropped their opposition to a move?

Moving for the good of the club is what the majority think should be done.
After all the questions to, and replies from Mike Nolan and John Martin it
seems there is not a chance of getting out of the Tesco deal.  Therefore you
have to accept that the board had done it's best and that they have faced
the supporters and had the guts to tell us the truth.  I and all others I
have spoken to in WISA accept that and just want to get on with supporting
and enjoying Rugby.  The new directors have been left with a huge mess to
sort out and they have done very well to create so much good out of something
that could have caused the club to fold.

Quote:
> If any of them are still opposed to a move then it is true to say there is
> *some* opposition to this plan in wisa.

Maybe there are.  But Mike does not know that.  He never has and does not want
to attend a meeting of SAC or WISA, despite numerous invitations.  So he is
not being truthful and is misrepresenting WISA and SAC.  And the move to the
JJB stadium is not a WISA issue, unless someone wants to make it an issue.
Which up to now no-one has.  So until someone says so we must say WISA is
not againt the move to the JJB stadium

Quote:
> >The organisors of WISA and the elected official of WISA have nothing to do
> >with SAC, but may have supported the SAC actions in the past.
> And therefore presumably opposed the move.

See above. Some did oppose the move.  But don't now want to flog a dead horse
as it were.  They DID oppose the move,  But NOW DON'T..

Quote:
> So no one in, or organisers of, wisa have any opposition?

No see above.  But Mike wouldn't know either way.  He doesn't even take part in
RSRL.  There are many many people who didn't join WISA from the SAC and I know
that some of them even think keeping CP is beyond all hope.  And some SAC
people think somthing else can be done to save CP.

Quote:
> I have not, although I do find it strange that opposition to the move seems to
> have died away now the new board is in place and wisa has formed.  Why is SAC
> on hold if the move is to go ahead? Surely they should be pressuring the new
> board as they were the old.  Perhaps everyone reckons its a done deal.

The SAC still exists and may not need to be active now.  But they remain ready
if needed for any reason.  Those in WISA are not a protest group. If
a WISA member
wishes to join in with the SAC again if it becomes active, then
that's ok.  And when
that is made know then Mike can report that Fact.  But WISA was not
setup to do as
Mike suggested.  And that is the whole point here.  You are getting
sidetracked into
supposition, as you have not attended a SAC or WISA meeting and are
not in WISA.

WISA has nothing to do with SAC as implied my Mike.  That is my point and where
Mike is diliberatly telling untruths.

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Post by WiganRLf » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>WISA has nothing to do with SAC as implied my Mike.  That is my point and where
>Mike is diliberatly telling untruths.

Clearly his article is inaccurate in saying it was wisa that organised the
protests but what is the big deal?

Don't you think "deliberately telling untruths" is going a bit far?  He may
have got it wrong but to accuse him of a deliberate action or something like
that in public (i.e. this ng) is a bit off IMO.

Dave

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Post by John Hull » Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Anyone remember the scene in "Life of Brian " where Brian's trying to find
the rebels? Cleese say's something like:

"Popular Front of Judea"? F___ off, that's him over there. We're the Judean
Popular People's Front . . . .

John

Quote:

>This
>is wholy incorrect.  It was the SAC (Supporters Action Campaign headed up
by
>Colin Knowles and Chris Singletary that opposed the sale of Central Park
and
>motioned for a new board.

>WISA (Wigan Independant Supporters Association) is a
>new organisation completely and has no connection in policy with the >SAC.

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Dinsda » Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Anyone remember the scene in "Life of Brian " where Brian's trying to find
> the rebels? Cleese say's something like:

> "Popular Front of Judea"? F___ off, that's him over there. We're the Judean
> Popular People's Front . . . .

Well said, John.  Come on you pie-eaters - shouldn't this futile exchange
be carried on by email, rather than on a public newsgroup?

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Post by David Spenc » Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> Anyone remember the scene in "Life of Brian " where Brian's trying to
find
> the rebels? Cleese say's something like:

> "Popular Front of Judea"? F___ off, that's him over there. We're the
Judean
> Popular People's Front . . . .

> John

That's just what I was thinking.........but who are the Romans in this
case?  Are they the previous Wigan board, the current one or..........??
and have they lost sight of their real enemy?

Spenno

 
 
 

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Post by John Hull » Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>That's just what I was thinking.........but who are the Romans in this
>case?  Are they the previous Wigan board, the current one or..........??
>and have they lost sight of their real enemy?

>Spenno

 . . . and what did they ever do for us?

John

 
 
 

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Post by David Spenc » Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> >That's just what I was thinking.........but who are the Romans in this
> >case?  Are they the previous Wigan board, the current one or..........??
> >and have they lost sight of their real enemy?

> >Spenno

>  . . . and what did they ever do for us?

Well............there's.......the (Wigan)
aqueduct?....................................................
.............. Oh, and the pies, what would we be without the pies!  Uncle
Joes' !
and the streets of Wigan are safe with Terry O'Connor around!  

Spenno

Quote:
> John

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Hollic » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Wake me up when this has finished!

{;-(



Quote:


> > So tell me Phil are all members of wisa in favour of moving from CP?
Have
> > those who were in SAC who are now in wisa dropped their opposition to a
move?

> Moving for the good of the club is what the majority think should be
done.
> After all the questions to, and replies from Mike Nolan and John Martin
it
> seems there is not a chance of getting out of the Tesco deal.  Therefore
you
> have to accept that the board had done it's best and that they have faced
> the supporters and had the guts to tell us the truth.  I and all others I
> have spoken to in WISA accept that and just want to get on with
supporting
> and enjoying Rugby.  The new directors have been left with a huge mess to
> sort out and they have done very well to create so much good out of
something
> that could have caused the club to fold.

> > If any of them are still opposed to a move then it is true to say there
is
> > *some* opposition to this plan in wisa.

> Maybe there are.  But Mike does not know that.  He never has and does not
want
> to attend a meeting of SAC or WISA, despite numerous invitations.  So he
is
> not being truthful and is misrepresenting WISA and SAC.  And the move to
the
> JJB stadium is not a WISA issue, unless someone wants to make it an
issue.
> Which up to now no-one has.  So until someone says so we must say WISA is
> not againt the move to the JJB stadium

> > >The organisors of WISA and the elected official of WISA have nothing
to do
> > >with SAC, but may have supported the SAC actions in the past.

> > And therefore presumably opposed the move.

> See above. Some did oppose the move.  But don't now want to flog a dead
horse
> as it were.  They DID oppose the move,  But NOW DON'T..

> > So no one in, or organisers of, wisa have any opposition?

> No see above.  But Mike wouldn't know either way.  He doesn't even take
part in
> RSRL.  There are many many people who didn't join WISA from the SAC and I
know
> that some of them even think keeping CP is beyond all hope.  And some SAC
> people think somthing else can be done to save CP.

> > I have not, although I do find it strange that opposition to the move
seems to
> > have died away now the new board is in place and wisa has formed.  Why
is SAC
> > on hold if the move is to go ahead? Surely they should be pressuring
the new
> > board as they were the old.  Perhaps everyone reckons its a done deal.

> The SAC still exists and may not need to be active now.  But they remain
ready
> if needed for any reason.  Those in WISA are not a protest group. If
> a WISA member
> wishes to join in with the SAC again if it becomes active, then
> that's ok.  And when
> that is made know then Mike can report that Fact.  But WISA was not
> setup to do as
> Mike suggested.  And that is the whole point here.  You are getting
> sidetracked into
> supposition, as you have not attended a SAC or WISA meeting and are
> not in WISA.

> WISA has nothing to do with SAC as implied my Mike.  That is my point and
where
> Mike is diliberatly telling untruths.

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