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by **PGWalk** » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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>>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>>the game can be exciting at any level :-)
>>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>>be honest, not as well.

I was surprised at Harris as well - obviously keen to make up for lost
time. If the rest of the team had been awake they would have seen off
Wigan no problem. Still don't think this will make Rhinos into title
challengers though...

As for Wigan, well how the mighty have fallen! They could quite easily
have been played 5 lost 5 !! Wigan have no chance of winning anything
this year - they're destined for mid-table mediocrity on current form,
they look pretty average to me.

Paul Walker

"Come on you Bulls!"

by **Mugwu** » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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>>>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>>>the game can be exciting at any level :-)

>>>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>>>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>>>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>>>be honest, not as well.

>I was surprised at Harris as well - obviously keen to make up for lost
>time. If the rest of the team had been awake they would have seen off
>Wigan no problem. Still don't think this will make Rhinos into title
>challengers though...

I like Harris - as I have said before I would have liked to have seen him
at Knowsley Road.

However - he would NOT have displaced a fit Tommy Martyn.

His form has been outstanding this season, in both defence and attack.

All along I have been saying that Martyn is the best stand-off in this
country - bar none.

I am not trying to detract from players such as Henry Paul, Iestyn Harris
and all the rest - they are fine players who would grace any side but Martyn
is the complete player, his statistics prove it.

If Saints were to go for Harris he would have been forced to play in the
centres, Arnold being dropped with Hunte going on the wing.

This would have caused all sorts of shit at Knowsley Road - something that
we do not need.

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>As for Wigan, well how the mighty have fallen! They could quite easily
>have been played 5 lost 5 !! Wigan have no chance of winning anything
>this year - they're destined for mid-table mediocrity on current form,
>they look pretty average to me.

Wigan have lost a few players but they are not that much different from
the side that played a few years ago.

The difference is that all the other teams are playing on the same level.

It has nothing to do with skill, it has to do with pace and power.

6 months of fully pro training gives players who were mediocre under the
old semi-pro regime the chance to fulfill their potential.

A luxury which only Wigan players enjoyed previously.

Mugwump.

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by **Steve Morri** » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>the game can be exciting at any level :-)

>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>be Hhonest, not as well.

>John Lancaster
>St Helens, UK

Too early to tell, I thought he did well enough for a first game. I
thought Leeds threw it, they had enough chances but lack the
experience/killer instinct?

--
Steve Morris

by **Mugwu** » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>>the game can be exciting at any level :-)

>>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>>be Hhonest, not as well.

>>John Lancaster
>>St Helens, UK

>Too early to tell, I thought he did well enough for a first game. I
>thought Leeds threw it, they had enough chances but lack the
>experience/killer instinct?

I'll tell you what Leeds need.

A captain.

Mercer is a second rate player and a third rate skipper.

Any bloke with half a brain would know that with 2 minutes to go and
with the scores level, the only play is straight up the middle with
the big forwards.

Mercer allowed Holroyd to kick on 3rd tackle when Leeds where close to
the line and to add insult to injury he allowed Harris to throw that
wild boomer (in a force 10 gale) which lost Leeds the match.

Not big and not clever.

Mugwump.

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by **John Pow** » Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:00:00

I would disagree, I thin Goulding is very limited in his attacking
play. His kicking is his only weapon, stop Bobby from Kicking and you
stop St Helens. Harris on the other hand is fast, he can spot a gap
and, more importantly put a player through it, also he's fast,
unlike Bobby and he can kick goals, as Bobby can.

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>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>the game can be exciting at any level :-)

>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>be Hhonest, not as well.

>John Lancaster
>St Helens, UK

by **John Pow** » Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:00:00

Why is that, what fantastic moves does Bobby have up his sleeve apart
from a speculative kick, which I must say usually are very good. His
game generally consists of catch-and-pass or kick the thing, he very
rarely takes the ball forward with any great effect.

Perhaps this is just because I'm a bitter and twisted Wigan fan, but
I think not having seen his efforts in Christchurch New Zealand and
having to put up with all stick about him being a supposed "great"
scrum-half.

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>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>the game can be exciting at any level :-)

>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>be Hhonest, not as well.

>John Lancaster
>St Helens, UK

by **Lloyd Barkha** » Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:00:00

Steve Morris wrote on 5/4/97:

Quote:

>>Great game last night, well done both sides. Just goes to show that
>>the game can be exciting at any level :-)

>>Harris - Vey good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>>be Hhonest, not as well.

>>John Lancaster
>>St Helens, UK

>Too early to tell, I thought he did well enough for a first game. I
>thought Leeds threw it, they had enough chances but lack the
>experience/killer instinct?

As Dean Bell put it:- "Dumb Football". We had the chances but never took them.
Holroyd could've had two attempts at a drop and Masella took the wrong option
after a superb break.

Lloyd

by **John Charnoc** » Tue, 08 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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>>Harris - Very good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>>be honest, not as well.

>I would disagree, I think Goulding is very limited in his attacking
>play. His kicking is his only weapon, stop Bobby from kicking and you
>stop St Helens. Harris on the other hand is fast, he can spot a gap
>and, more importantly put a player through it, also he's fast,
>unlike Bobby and he can kick goals, as Bobby can.

Harris fast? When he was at Warrington he had very good acceleration,
and could beat most people over 10 yards from a standing start, but
time and time again he would make a break, have a clear run to the
line, and get caught from behind (I've even seen forwards catching
him). Goulding is a much better player, but Harris has still got
time to improve.

John Charnock

by \ » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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> >>Harris - Very good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
> >>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
> >>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
> >>be honest, not as well.

> >I would disagree, I think Goulding is very limited in his attacking
> >play. His kicking is his only weapon, stop Bobby from kicking and you
> >stop St Helens. Harris on the other hand is fast, he can spot a gap
> >and, more importantly put a player through it, also he's fast,
> >unlike Bobby and he can kick goals, as Bobby can.

Sadly, speaking as a supporter of one of the teams which passed him on,
and then lost as a result of his influence, I can say that Goulding's
got more going for him than kicking. The way he switches play and
controls the direction of attack is great to watch if you're a Saints
fan - sometimes horrifying if you're not.

But he'll always be a hot-headed, dangerous player.

Harris, though he had a good World Cup, always struck me as being
over-hyped. Capable and full of promise though he is, he's not fully
mature yet. And I agree with John Charnock - Harris isn't _that_ fast.

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by **Mugwu** » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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>Sadly, speaking as a supporter of one of the teams which passed him on,
>and then lost as a result of his influence, I can say that Goulding's
>got more going for him than kicking. The way he switches play and
>controls the direction of attack is great to watch if you're a Saints
>fan - sometimes horrifying if you're not.

>But he'll always be a hot-headed, dangerous player.

>Harris, though he had a good World Cup, always struck me as being
>over-hyped. Capable and full of promise though he is, he's not fully
>mature yet. And I agree with John Charnock - Harris isn't _that_ fast.

He played well in the first half tonight, his kicking game was top notch,
but he faded in the second half and his running/passing never really got
going.

Goulding tried hard but his timing was off, this knocked Saints a little
off balance as they are probably still adjusting to his return.

All in all neither player had an outstanding game.

Mugwump.

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by **Lloyd Barkha** » Sun, 13 Apr 1997 04:00:00

\ Leighton.Pritchard\ wrote on 11/4/97:

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>> >>Harris - Very good player, no doubt. I have never payed much attention
>> >>to him before now, but I am glad Saints did't get him.
>> >>Why ? Well he seems to do all the same moves etc as Goulding, but, to
>> >>be honest, not as well.

>> >I would disagree, I think Goulding is very limited in his attacking
>> >play. His kicking is his only weapon, stop Bobby from kicking and you
>> >stop St Helens. Harris on the other hand is fast, he can spot a gap
>> >and, more importantly put a player through it, also he's fast,
>> >unlike Bobby and he can kick goals, as Bobby can.

>Sadly, speaking as a supporter of one of the teams which passed him on,
>and then lost as a result of his influence, I can say that Goulding's
>got more going for him than kicking. The way he switches play and
>controls the direction of attack is great to watch if you're a Saints
>fan - sometimes horrifying if you're not.

>But he'll always be a hot-headed, dangerous player.

>Harris, though he had a good World Cup, always struck me as being
>over-hyped. Capable and full of promise though he is, he's not fully
>mature yet. And I agree with John Charnock - Harris isn't _that_ fast.

I think you'll find that Harris certainly put Goulding in his place last night. I think on
last night's showing that I would rather have Harris in my side than Goulding.
Harris's passes, kicks, sidesteps and dummies certainly put one over on poor
old Bobby. His kicks at goal were also much better.

Lloyd

by **Mugwu** » Sun, 13 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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>I think you'll find that Harris certainly put Goulding in his place last night. I think on
>last night's showing that I would rather have Harris in my side than Goulding.
>Harris's passes, kicks, sidesteps and dummies certainly put one over on poor
>old Bobby. His kicks at goal were also much better.

Come on Lloyd - Harris kicked well for sure but you must not have been watching
the same game as me.

He set up one try and kicked a few goals - apart from a kick for the chasers
he did nothing else.

Leeds had one scoring opportunity in the second half and Harris neither created
or appeared in it.

As for preferring Harris over Goulding, it is stupid making sweeping statements
after one game.

I could after all point to Saints 80-nil thrashing of Warrington and say that
Goulding rubbed Harris' nose in shit.

The week after we put 50 on em - again with Harris playing.

Plus many other drubbings which Saints have dished out.

You could argue that the score is Harris 1 Goulding 50.

Mugwump.

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>Lloyd

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by **Lloyd Barkha** » Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Mugwump wrote on 12/4/97:

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>>I think you'll find that Harris certainly put Goulding in his place last night. I think on
>>last night's showing that I would rather have Harris in my side than Goulding.
>>Harris's passes, kicks, sidesteps and dummies certainly put one over on poor
>>old Bobby. His kicks at goal were also much better.

>Come on Lloyd - Harris kicked well for sure but you must not have been watching
>the same game as me.

>He set up one try and kicked a few goals - apart from a kick for the chasers
>he did nothing else.

>Leeds had one scoring opportunity in the second half and Harris neither created
>or appeared in it.

>As for preferring Harris over Goulding, it is stupid making sweeping statements
>after one game.

I can make as many sweeping generalisations when we win a match everybody
(including myself - what an admission) thought we would lose. We now with
Harris got a talented half back who will now give us a chance to win something
in the near future.

He also tackled everything in sight.

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>I could after all point to Saints 80-nil thrashing of Warrington and say that
>Goulding rubbed Harris' nose in shit.

>The week after we put 50 on em - again with Harris playing.

>Plus many other drubbings which Saints have dished out.

>You could argue that the score is Harris 1 Goulding 50.

He now plays for Leeds and the slate is wiped clean. Warrington weren't a
very good team then.

Lloyd

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>Mugwump.
>>Lloyd

by **Lloyd Barkha** » Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Mugwump wrote on 12/4/97:

Quote:

>>I think you'll find that Harris certainly put Goulding in his place last night. I think on
>>last night's showing that I would rather have Harris in my side than Goulding.
>>Harris's passes, kicks, sidesteps and dummies certainly put one over on poor
>>old Bobby. His kicks at goal were also much better.

>Come on Lloyd - Harris kicked well for sure but you must not have been watching
>the same game as me.

>He set up one try and kicked a few goals - apart from a kick for the chasers
>he did nothing else.

>Leeds had one scoring opportunity in the second half and Harris neither created
>or appeared in it.

>As for preferring Harris over Goulding, it is stupid making sweeping statements
>after one game.

I can make as many sweeping generalisations when we win a match everybody
(including myself - what an admission) thought we would lose. We now with
Harris got a talented half back who will now give us a chance to win something
in the near future.

He also tackled everything in sight.

Quote:

>I could after all point to Saints 80-nil thrashing of Warrington and say that
>Goulding rubbed Harris' nose in shit.

>The week after we put 50 on em - again with Harris playing.

>Plus many other drubbings which Saints have dished out.

>You could argue that the score is Harris 1 Goulding 50.

He now plays for Leeds and the slate is wiped clean. Warrington weren't a
very good team then.

Lloyd

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>Mugwump.
>>Lloyd

by **Mugwu** » Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I didn't know they were distributing quadrophonic newsreaders these
days Lloyd :-)

Mugwump.

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