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by **Mr P Halliwel** » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Anyone notice that Saints can't afford Harris now so have officially
dropped thier interest in him. The lad is now in limbo. But it was
all instigated by Saints, who had no money to start with.
It adds fuel to the rumours I have heard that Saints are 2 million quid
in debt. Asda could do with a store at Knowsley rd.

Also Wigan have offered 120,000 for Tony Smith. When they land him I
suspect Edwards will go to London for a similair fee.

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by **Mugwu** » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>Anyone notice that Saints can't afford Harris now so have officially
>dropped thier interest in him. The lad is now in limbo. But it was
>all instigated by Saints, who had no money to start with.
>It adds fuel to the rumours I have heard that Saints are 2 million quid
>in debt. Asda could do with a store at Knowsley rd.

I don't know - these pie eaters will grasp at anything.

According to the books Saints estimated total debt is around 900,000.

They made a loss last year of 200,000.

Which is not bad considering that their financial year stretched back
for 18 months a time where they purchased Newlove, Busby, Hammond and
others, in addition they like every other club in the SL generated little
income in the long off-season.

Combine this with the acquisition of Howes' new backroom staff, the upgrade
of the Knowsley Road facilities, the construction of the new club shop etc
etc and all in all we've not done badly at all.

I would expect Saints to make a very healthy profit this coming season.

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>Also Wigan have offered 120,000 for Tony Smith. When they land him I
>suspect Edwards will go to London for a similair fee.

Bad move IMO - they should have gone for Crompton.

Mugwump.

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by **Paul Matthe** » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>Also Wigan have offered 120,000 for Tony Smith. When they land him I
>suspect Edwards will go to London for a similair fee.

News last night was he has signed at 150K

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by **Paul Matthe** » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>According to the books Saints estimated total debt is around 900,000.

I don't trust accountants. their sums never seem to add up to us mere
mortals. a debt of 900K could actually be anything from 2M in credit to a
real 3M debt :-)

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>They made a loss last year of 200,000.

See above comments on accountants - that could be a 1M loss to a 2M
proffits, hacked for the taxman.

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>Which is not bad considering that their financial year stretched back
>for 18 months a time where they purchased Newlove, Busby, Hammond and
>others, in addition they like every other club in the SL generated little
>income in the long off-season.

so despite all the success, they are STILL losing money? even with the
additional money in from Murdoch? things are looking bad at knowsley rd.

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>Combine this with the acquisition of Howes' new backroom staff,

Hasn't a director just quit?

(lets see if Mugsy bites :-))

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by **wiganrl..** » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Also Wigan have offered 120,000 for Tony Smith. When they land him I
>>suspect Edwards will go to London for a similair fee.

>Bad move IMO - they should have gone for Crompton.

I was hoping they didn't need to go for anyone. I was hoping Murdoch would
come through. His performances so far this season have not been very good
and I guess you need more than one scrum half in a squad.

As to Smith, well he is a good support player and against Halifax we were certainly
lacking in that area. Don't forget Edwards was also a good support player.

What interest me is who will be stand off. Hughes has made direct reference to
Nigel Wright saying he hopes he will make the position his own but we have
Paul, Wright, Long and even Smith can play there.

I reckon Long is one to watch for the future so I hope he does not want away
now we have a glut of half backs.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply THE Best.

by **Steve Morri** » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>(Mugwump) writes:

>>>Also Wigan have offered 120,000 for Tony Smith. When they land him I
>>>suspect Edwards will go to London for a similair fee.

>>Bad move IMO - they should have gone for Crompton.

>I was hoping they didn't need to go for anyone. I was hoping Murdoch would
>come through. His performances so far this season have not been very good
>and I guess you need more than one scrum half in a squad.

>As to Smith, well he is a good support player and against Halifax we were
>certainly
>lacking in that area. Don't forget Edwards was also a good support player.

One of the best, not fast but always present, just what Gilly needs.

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>What interest me is who will be stand off. Hughes has made direct reference to
>Nigel Wright saying he hopes he will make the position his own but we have
>Paul, Wright, Long and even Smith can play there.

>I reckon Long is one to watch for the future so I hope he does not want away
>now we have a glut of half backs.

>Dave

>Wigan RLFC - Simply THE Best.

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by **Graham Evan** » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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> I don't know - these pie eaters will grasp at anything.

> According to the books Saints estimated total debt is around 900,000.

I remember Wigan saying they weren't in debt at all ( so I wouldn't take
this figure as red )

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> They made a loss last year of 200,000.

> I would expect Saints to make a very healthy profit this coming season.

> >Also Wigan have offered 120,000 for Tony Smith. When they land him I
> >suspect Edwards will go to London for a similair fee.

> Bad move IMO - they should have gone for Crompton.
> Remember we've already had him & let him go so O.J wouldn't want to lose

face, would he.
IMO I would prefer Smith anyway yeah Crompton's more of a terrier but,
Smith is a far classier player.

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by **Mugwu** » Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>According to the books Saints estimated total debt is around 900,000.

>I don't trust accountants. their sums never seem to add up to us mere
>mortals. a debt of 900K could actually be anything from 2M in credit to a
>real 3M debt :-)

>>They made a loss last year of 200,000.

>See above comments on accountants - that could be a 1M loss to a 2M
>proffits, hacked for the taxman.

Well you can fool the taxman - but you can never pull the wool over the
eyes of the VATman.

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>>Which is not bad considering that their financial year stretched back
>>for 18 months a time where they purchased Newlove, Busby, Hammond and
>>others, in addition they like every other club in the SL generated little
>>income in the long off-season.

>so despite all the success, they are STILL losing money? even with the
>additional money in from Murdoch? things are looking bad at knowsley rd.

Well it depends, you can spend money two ways.

1. Spend to acquire new money..
2. Spend to acquire new trophies.

Saints - the former
Wigan - the latter.

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>>Combine this with the acquisition of Howes' new backroom staff,

>Hasn't a director just quit?

Malcolm Kay - yes he has.

Apparantely he was none too pleased that Saints pulled out of the
Harris deal as he was the man who arranged it all.

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>(lets see if Mugsy bites :-))

Nah - not today buddy :)

Mugwump.

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by **Nick Gribbe** » Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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> I would expect Saints to make a very healthy profit this coming season.

They should do with the Wembley money making visit and the World Club
Challenge games. The Club is still in a transitional period, this October
the club house end of the ground will be pulled down and work will begin on
a new stand, Saints are investing heavily in this project so next year's
financial report should make interesting reading aswell. The Club are in
great hands though, I don't think we're set to do a Wigan or Widnes any
time soon.

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> Bad move IMO - they should have gone for Crompton.

Agreed. Crompton is well under-rated.

BTW, how are you getting to Wembley this year Muggy?

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> Mugwump.

Nick

by **Mugwu** » Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>Agreed. Crompton is well under-rated.

>BTW, how are you getting to Wembley this year Muggy?

This year it's the Olympic Gallery for me, it's the only way you
can be guaranteed a good spec - except of course if you get stuck
behind the scoreboard.

I have not decided how we are getting there yet, fancy hitching a ride
buddy?

Whichever way it is I expect quite of few members of this group to be
there.

Steve are you coming????

Lloyd - are you coming if Leeds win???

I know Chris will be if the Bulls turn you over.

Mugwump.

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>> Mugwump.

>Nick

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by **Lloyd Barkha** » Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Mugwump wrote on 28/3/97:

Quote:

>>Agreed. Crompton is well under-rated.

>>BTW, how are you getting to Wembley this year Muggy?

>This year it's the Olympic Gallery for me, it's the only way you
>can be guaranteed a good spec - except of course if you get stuck
>behind the scoreboard.

>I have not decided how we are getting there yet, fancy hitching a ride
>buddy?

>Whichever way it is I expect quite of few members of this group to be
>there.

>Steve are you coming????

>Lloyd - are you coming if Leeds win???

I'll be there with the whole family, 3 daughters my brother and his son. I've
already sussed out the ticket selling arrangements so it looks like an early
start for me on Sunday morning.

Come on you Rhinos!!!

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>I know Chris will be if the Bulls turn you over.

Never mind he can play us next year.

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>Mugwump.

>>> Mugwump.

>>Nick

by **rgstoc..** » Sun, 30 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Go on do both. I get cheap tickets (if #17 can be classed as cheap) go to the game, take in the atmosphere, few beers etc. Get home and see what really happened on the video. Mind you it does help
to live about 15 miles from Wembley, its closer than the Stoop, probably cheaper to park as well!

by **Greg War** » Mon, 31 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>Its actually 2.8 million. For sure.
>Like I said before, you cannot become a national sport on seven quid
>to get in. Did anyone hear all the "***in ells" when they realised it
>was nine quid to get into Tescos for last weeks semi ?

One of those "f*!kin ells" was mine. However, for that nine pounds you
could get into the new stand (Whitbread Stand?). We just asked the
steward checking tickets and he let us in. Only stayed till half-time
tough as it was boring watching a game from behind the sticks in an
empty stand. Watched the second half from the 22 yard line.

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>St Helens, UK

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by **Greg War** » Mon, 31 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>They should do with the Wembley money making visit and the World Club
>Challenge games. The Club is still in a transitional period, this October
>the club house end of the ground will be pulled down and work will begin on
>a new stand, Saints are investing heavily in this project so next year's
>financial report should make interesting reading aswell. The Club are in
>great hands though, I don't think we're set to do a Wigan or Widnes any
>time soon.

Build a new stand behind the sticks at the clubhouse end, now where have
I heard that one before?

I think the big difference between Saints and Wigan is that Saints are
prepared to stand up to the players. Prescott, Cunningham and Goulding
have all tried it on since last season and the club hasn't given in to
their demands. No one player is bigger than any club, after all Saints
haven't exactly missed Bobby Goulding.

Briers for Wembley
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by **Greg War** » Mon, 31 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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>>This year it's the Olympic Gallery for me, it's the only way you
>>can be guaranteed a good spec -

>If your going to such extremes, Mugs, may I suggest a better view..

>The one in your living room. Its got far more atmosphere too.
>(Assuming, that is, you have a Telly)

Agreed. Wembley is a massive rip-off. The fans in the seats at the front
can't see a thing without standing up which means everybody else in the
lower tier has to stand up as well. Thirty odd quid and you may as well
be on the terraces at Central Park. Then you've got the sky high prices
for food & drink, the traffic problems, the cost of getting to & staying
in London, not to mention the prehistoric toilet facillities, need I go
on? The sooner they knock it down the better.

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>John Lancaster
>St Helens, UK

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