rugby league v. rugby union

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by Doug Elinso » Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Could someone please explain to this Yank the difference between Rugby
League and Rugby Union?

 
 
 

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by Gary A WALS » Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Rugby League: Fast, exciting, thrilling, tough, 100% entertainment.

Rugby Union: Slow, tedious, boring and I would rather go for a walk and
count the cracks in the pavement (thats a sidewalk Yank).



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> Could someone please explain to this Yank the difference between Rugby
> League and Rugby Union?


 
 
 

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by Phil Arundel » Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:00:00

I'll have a go! :-)
I am assuming you know the rules for Rugby Union (RU), so I'll just explain
where Rugby League (RL) differs

1) RL is played with 13 a side (no flankers) with four substitutes.
Substituted players can come back on the field of play with a total of six
substitutions being allowed during the course of a game.
2) Points are awarded as follows: 4 for a try, 2 for a conversion, 2 for a
penalty and 1 for a drop goal
3) If the ball goes out of play, play restarts with a scrum ten metres in
from the line. (but see 7 below)
4) If a penalty is awarded and the team kick into touch, they get posession
back from where the ball went into touch
5) The scoring team kicks off
6) Feeding at the scrum is allowed (therefore scrums rarely, if ever, go
against the head)
7) Perhaps the biggest difference: Each team is allowed 6 tackles in which
to make as much ground as possible - once a player is tackled (i.e. the ref
shouts Held), the opposition release the player and he plays it behind him
to a team mate. This is known as the Play the Ball, and the opposition have
to be ten metres from the player playing the ball, except for two players
who are allowed to mark the player playing the ball. The player receiving
the ball from the play the ball is known as the dummy half. After the six
tackles are completed, possesion is handed over to the other team. There are
therefore, no rucks or mauls in RL, and, indeed, taking the ball from an
opponent in the tackle is punishable by a penalty, unless it is a one-on-one
tackle (ie one opponent only in the tackle), when it is allowed.  If an
opponent touches the ball (i.e. from an attemted interception), the team
with the ball is allowed a further six tackles. There are a number of
complications in this basic pattern of play, which I'll try and outline.
Firstly, if a team makes a handling error (i.e. forward pass, knock on), on
the last tackle, posession is passed to the opposition, instead of the usual
scrum. If a team kicks the ball into touch on the last tackle, play is
restarted with a scrum to the other team, unless the ball goes out without
bouncing, when posession is passed straight to the opposition from where the
kick was taken. If, however, a kick is made and does not go into touch, i.e.
an opponent picks the ball up, then the first tackle on this person is
deemed a "Zero Tackle", ie there are six more tackles allowed after this
one. If a kick goes into touch behind the try-line when the last person
playing the ball was from the attacking team, then play is restarted on the
20 Metre Line with posession with the opposite team (i.e. the team whose
try-line the ball went out over). If, the last person playing the ball was a
defender, then play is restarted with a drop kick by the defence from the
try line, in the centre of the posts. However, to further complicate this,
if the kick is caught in the "In Goal Area", (i.e. between the try-line and
the dead ball line) by a defender, and it has not bounced since being
kicked, the player is said to have "Defused the bomb" (don't know who
thought of this gem!), and play is as if the ball had gone dead in goal from
the kick (play is restarted on the 20 Metre Line with posession with the
opposite team). If an attacker is held up on his back in the in goal area,
play restarts with a five metre scrum to the attacking team. In RL, the
reference to a player "Playing" the ball is different to touching the ball -
if the ball hits a player without him making a move for it it is deemed that
the ball played the man, and does not count as playing the ball for the
rules explained above.
This limit of six tackles, IMO is what makes RL a much more exciting game
than RU - with a limited number of tackles in which to make ground, play is
much more open as teams try and keep the ball alive and make as much ground
as possible, as opposed to RU where a strong pack can keep possesion through
many rucks and mauls, and many RU games are little more than a forward
battle, with the backs hardly getting the ball.

I'm sure I've missed some things, but this should at least give you some
idea of the differences between the two sports (and, IMO they have
diversified enough to be considered two sports as opposed to variations of
the same sport)

Hope this helps

Phil

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>Could someone please explain to this Yank the difference between Rugby
>League and Rugby Union?


 
 
 

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by WiganRLf » Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:00:00

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>Could someone please explain to this Yank the difference between Rugby
>League and Rugby Union?

Phil has made a pretty good attempt at describing RL but I thought it worth
emphasising a couple of points that IMO make the pattern of play very different
than union.

First the 6 tackle rule and the play the ball (PTB) is fundamental but what
happens on the sixth tackle illustrates another difference..  

When a team has had 5 PTB and the next tackle would end the "set of 6" the
attacking side will not want to be caught in possession and so will usually
kick for touch on the sixth tackle. Not always, but usually.

When they do kick for touch the ball must always bounce before going over the
line or its "ball back" to where it was kicked from.  It does matter where you
are on the field, this is always true, unlike RU where if you kick from inside
your own 22 meter area the ball can go out on the full.

This makes a big difference between the two games IMO. In RU quite often a team
receiving the ball from kick off will immediately kick the ball into touch (out
on the full) to gain field position.  The game stops while the players trot up
field for a line out.

In RL the receiving team will just about always run the ball.  There is no
advantage in kicking away possession or going for field position on the "first"
tackle, especially as finding touch with a bounce is more difficult then
booting it straight out.

IMO union could usefully adopt the "must bounce" rule of RL to encourage a bit
more running.

The other thing that IMO alters the pattern of play is the value placed on
penalties.  In RU you get 3 points, RL 2.  Combined with the other aspects of
each game it seems to encourage RU teams to almost always opt to kick for goal
(thus stopping play while the kicker sets himself up) if the penalty is
kickable whereas in RL it is by no means certain that the team will opt for the
kick.

Therefore it is not uncommon for RU games to be decided (with no tries scored
at all by either side) on penalties whereas in RL that is very rare.

Dave
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rugby league v. rugby union

Post by Cris Tou » Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:00:00

I have never heard a rugby league supporter describe him/herself as a
"rugger ***".  Draw your own conclusions.

Cris Tout.



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> Could someone please explain to this Yank the difference between Rugby
> League and Rugby Union?

 
 
 

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by Spamtarg » Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:00:00

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>Therefore it is not uncommon for RU games to be decided (with no tries scored
>at all by either side) on penalties whereas in RL that is very rare.

I think the reason many union games end up with highish scores all made up of
penalties and few tries is because of the extra two men on the field on each
side. That really does make the field pretty conjested, and difficult to break
through. League defence, because of the fewer players, is generally a single
advancing line, whereas in union it is more bunched (probably because the
forwards are too fat to organise themselves into a line quick enough). This can
be seen by the problems Jason Robinson and Henry Paul (Wigan RL players for our
US friend) had when they played at Bath (one of the top RU clubs), they could
not get through as easily as when playing League.


 
 
 

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by Stephen M » Sat, 27 Jun 1998 04:00:00

: Could someone please explain to this Yank the difference between Rugby
: League and Rugby Union?

im vetrry pisesd hahahaha

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Cheers

Stephen

 
 
 

rugby league v. rugby union

Post by WiganRLf » Sat, 27 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>>Therefore it is not uncommon for RU games to be decided (with no tries scored
>>at all by either side) on penalties whereas in RL that is very rare.

>I think the reason many union games end up with highish scores all made up of
>penalties and few tries is because of the extra two men on the field on each
>side. That really does make the field pretty conjested, and difficult to break
>through. League defence, because of the fewer players, is generally a single
>advancing line, whereas in union it is more bunched (probably because the
>forwards are too fat to organise themselves into a line quick enough). This can
>be seen by the problems Jason Robinson and Henry Paul (Wigan RL players for our
>US friend) had when they played at Bath (one of the top RU clubs), they could
>not get through as easily as when playing League.

While you may be right I still reckon with 3 points for a penalty the tendency
will always be to go for the kick rather than run the ball where there is the
option.

I am not sure but I think more offences on RU allow a kick on goal whereas in
RL you have to either take a tap and run the ball or kick to touch in many
cases.

To be fair to RU I think they may have reduced the number of offences that
allow a kick on goal over recent years but I am not sure.  You never know, if
they carry on following RLs lead like this they may end up with a decent game
:-).

Dave
--
Wigan RLFC - getting back to being Simply the best -

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rugby league v. rugby union

Post by AJ KIN » Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> While you may be right I still reckon with 3 points for a penalty the
tendency
> will always be to go for the kick rather than run the ball where there is
the
> option.

> I am not sure but I think more offences on RU allow a kick on goal
whereas in
> RL you have to either take a tap and run the ball or kick to touch in
many
> cases.

I dont think so, nowadays. Maybe when we had differential scrum penalties,
but I haven't seen one of those around this side of summer rugby.

Alf

Quote:
> To be fair to RU I think they may have reduced the number of offences
that
> allow a kick on goal over recent years but I am not sure.  You never
know, if
> they carry on following RLs lead like this they may end up with a decent
game
> :-).

> Dave
> --
> Wigan RLFC - getting back to being Simply the best -

> (remove the letter t from clarat if replying via email)