Harris - you heard it here first

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by Dave Heat » Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:00:00


I have just heard from a fairly reliable source that Saints will call
a press conference tomorrow to announce the signing of Iestyn Harris
from Warrington.

The price :-

300,000 plus
Tommy Martyn plus
Andy Northey plus
Ian Pickavance

I put that at around 650,000 (150,000 for Martyn and 100,000 each
for the other two).

My mouth is already watering at the prospect of Goulding and Harris.
Roll on 1997.

Cheers

Dave

 
 
 

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by Geff Fost » Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>I have just heard from a fairly reliable source that Saints will call
>a press conference tomorrow to announce the signing of Iestyn Harris
>from Warrington.

>The price :-

>300,000 plus
>Tommy Martyn plus
>Andy Northey plus
>Ian Pickavance

>I put that at around 650,000 (150,000 for Martyn and 100,000 each
>for the other two).

>My mouth is already watering at the prospect of Goulding and Harris.
>Roll on 1997.

If this is true then poor old Tommy will be a bit down in the dumps when
he comes back from his holiday abroad :(

Geff

Quote:
>Cheers

>Dave

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Harris - you heard it here first

Post by WiganRLf » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>I have just heard from a fairly reliable source that Saints will call
>a press conference tomorrow to announce the signing of Iestyn Harris
>from Warrington.

>The price :-

>300,000 plus
>Tommy Martyn plus
>Andy Northey plus
>Ian Pickavance

>I put that at around 650,000 (150,000 for Martyn and 100,000 each
>for the other two).

>My mouth is already watering at the prospect of Goulding and Harris.
>Roll on 1997.

>Cheers

>Dave

Well, if what has been written recently on r.s.r.l by your fellow Saints
fans about Tommy Martyn in anything to go by, I doubt they will share your
enthusiasm for this deal.

When I first heard that Saints and Wigan were interested in Harris my
first reaction was, why bother?  Both clubs have (or maybe had in Saints
case) players who are considered by their respective fans quite good
enough at stand off.

Is Harris a *step up* from Martyn?

If he his is, is it a big enough step up to include off loading the two
extra players plus some cash?

Come on Martyn fans, let us know what you think :-).

If this comes off, I reckon Warrington have got the better deal.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

 
 
 

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by Stev » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00


net.com> writes

Quote:

>(Dave Heaton) says:

>>I have just heard from a fairly reliable source that Saints will call
>>a press conference tomorrow to announce the signing of Iestyn Harris
>>from Warrington.

>>The price :-

>>300,000 plus
>>Tommy Martyn plus
>>Andy Northey plus
>>Ian Pickavance

>>I put that at around 650,000 (150,000 for Martyn and 100,000 each
>>for the other two).

>>My mouth is already watering at the prospect of Goulding and Harris.
>>Roll on 1997.

>If this is true then poor old Tommy will be a bit down in the dumps when
>he comes back from his holiday abroad :(

>Geff

>>Cheers

>>Dave

>-------------------------------------------------
>Geff Foster              |"The Zone

>St. Helens, Merseyside   | of it's own"
>-------------------------------------------------

Still looks like a great deal on paper. Mind you the way that Wigan
finished the season Saints needed to pull off something special to keep
them in  top spot next season.

Could this also beef up Wires for next season?

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by John Lancast » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>>I have just heard from a fairly reliable source that Saints will call
>>a press conference tomorrow to announce the signing of Iestyn Harris
>>from Warrington.

Unless its an evening press conference it has turned out to be
bollocks !

I would actually rather see some more forwards, to be honest. I feel
our half back, loose forward combo is as good as anything around at
the moment.

John
St Helens

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Harris - you heard it here first

Post by John Lancast » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>>Still looks like a great deal on paper. Mind you the way that Wigan
>>finished the season Saints needed to pull off something special to keep
>>them in  top spot next season.

Nah, same formula. One a piece with the pies, and let them slip up
against a lesser team again. They always do y'know.

Actually, this may seem strange, but at the moment I have no appetite
for next year.

 I always thought the pie eaters were bullshitting when they said
"sick of winning it", but now we have won the league, after such a
long wait, I feel, well, happy, but if we dont win it next year, so
what ! Maybe that will change.

Oh, Steve, I will be interested to hear your comments on how you
managed to lose again against Saints, whilst obviously being a far
better team !!!

John
St Helens

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Harris - you heard it here first

Post by Paul Matthe » Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Actually, this may seem strange, but at the moment I have no appetite
>for next year.

Could this be because next season is a LOOOOONG way off as well?

Paul.

 
 
 

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by WiganRLf » Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
(Paul Matthews) writes:
>>Actually, this may seem strange, but at the moment I have no appetite
>>for next year.

>Could this be because next season is a LOOOOONG way off as well?

Nah, its just John going through a periodic depression like the one that
led to the "An apology" thread a while back.  This could be due to a
number of factors e.g coming back from hols or even coming back from hols
to the news that Wigan won the premiership :-).

BTW, when I (mis)read the original post on this thread I thought Saints
were offering
 100,000 not 300,000.  IMO, 300,000 plus the players means that Wire would
definitely be getting a very good deal.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

 
 
 

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by John Lancast » Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>>Nah, its just John going through a periodic depression like the one that
>>led to the "An apology" thread a while back.  This could be due to a
>>number of factors e.g coming back from hols

Mainly having to work in Wigan, me thinks.

Quote:
>>or even coming back from hols
>>to the news that Wigan won the premiership :-).

Nothing more than I expected, to be truthfull. BTW, World service
radio doesnt think rl exists, so if anyone is thinking of buying a
short wave jobby to listen to ri whilst on their hols, dont bother !

 I dont like this generalisation that I am a depressive though, its
starting to get me down.

John

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Harris - you heard it here first

Post by Adam Wilkinso » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> When I first heard that Saints and Wigan were interested in Harris my
> first reaction was, why bother?  Both clubs have (or maybe had in Saints
> case) players who are considered by their respective fans quite good
> enough at stand off.

> Is Harris a *step up* from Martyn?

> If he his is, is it a big enough step up to include off loading the two
> extra players plus some cash?

> Dave

Newlove for Loughlin, Dwyer, and Nickle + a stash of cash?  Sacking
Hughes and replacing him with some guy from Oz without a proven track
record as a first team coach? These guys pulling the strings at Saints
just haven't got a clue, hey?

Oh, by the way, can anyone tell me how Saints got on last season?  I've
been living on Mars for the last year or so.

Adam.

 
 
 

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by WiganRLf » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>> When I first heard that Saints and Wigan were interested in Harris my
>> first reaction was, why bother?  Both clubs have (or maybe had in
Saints
>> case) players who are considered by their respective fans quite good
>> enough at stand off.

>> Is Harris a *step up* from Martyn?

>> If he his is, is it a big enough step up to include off loading the two
>> extra players plus some cash?
>Newlove for Loughlin, Dwyer, and Nickle + a stash of cash?  Sacking
>Hughes and replacing him with some guy from Oz without a proven track
>record as a first team coach? These guys pulling the strings at Saints
>just haven't got a clue, hey?

This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Harris deal.  Why
don't you answer the question of mine you quote?

FWIW, IMO, the Newlove deal was good for both clubs i.e. I think you could
say Newlove was worth what Saints paid for him and I think the players
Bradford got have done pretty good for them.

As for the unknown from Oz.  What did he have to do except pick up the
squad Hughes put together?

Given the players first mentioned on this thread as an exchange for Harris
I don't think that the same is true this time (from Saints point of view)
AND given what has been written about Martyn on r.s.r.l by other Saints
fans I should think his supporters will think likewise.

I was also surprised to hear Wigan were also linked with him when they
already have two top stand offs in Henry Paul and (if he can avoid injury)
Nigel Wright.

Interestingly over the weekend the players rumoured to be offered in
exchange are now different and are Busby and another forward which may be
Booth, which may put a different complexion on things, I don't know.

Quote:

>Oh, by the way, can anyone tell me how Saints got on last season?  I've
>been living on Mars for the last year or so.

>Adam.

They lost the premiership final :-) (Well, you did ask :))

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

 
 
 

Harris - you heard it here first

Post by John Charnoc » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> When I first heard that Saints and Wigan were interested in Harris my
> first reaction was, why bother?  Both clubs have (or maybe had in Saints
> case) players who are considered by their respective fans quite good
> enough at stand off.

> Is Harris a *step up* from Martyn?

> If he is, is it a big enough step up to include off loading the two
> extra players plus some cash?

Although I am not a Wires fan I live in Warrington and have seen quite
a few games at Wilderspool this season. In my opinion Harris, when he is
playing well, has as much skill as any other stand off in the league. He
is a very elusive runner and can read the game well, so that he is in the
right place to support a colleague or cover a break by the opposition.
However he has one glaring weakness in that he is too slow - quite often
I have seen him side-step through the defensive line to leave himself a
clear run at the line, only to be chased down and caught by those defenders
he had beaten, even though he had had several yards start. Now if St. Helens
could give him some sprinting coaching over winter maybe their investment
would pay off - otherwise they have wasted their money.

John Charnock

 
 
 

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Post by John Lancast » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>>As for the unknown from Oz.  What did he have to do except pick up the
>>squad Hughes put together?

Hmm. Popular question, asked of me by many Wiganers. My stock answer
is

" if West was sacked tommorrow, would you all want Eric Hughes to
replace him ? "

Precisely. Remember all those "Jammy Saints" games this season,  going
16-0 down at home to Wigan, the Cup Final. We would have lost 'em all
if hughes was coach. I just wish he could teach 'em to tackle a little
better !

John

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Post by Adam Wilkinso » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Harris deal.  Why
> don't you answer the question of mine you quote?

No, Harris probably isn't THAT big a step up from Martyn.  However, I
think that it would be a very negative attitude for clubs to think 'we
could just make do'.  I certainly don't think that Newlove was worth the
deal, but if you want to sign the best you've got to be willing to fork
out for it, else you just won't get what you want.  Loughlin is a very
good centre (although he is inconsistent, and a touch injury prone - the
latter can certainly be said of Martyn), but Newlove is one of the best
in the world, and everyone sat up and listened when Saints signed him.  
Publicity is, of course, a good thing - why do you think London signed
Offiah - for his playing skills?  

Quote:
> As for the unknown from Oz.  What did he have to do except pick up the
> squad Hughes put together?

He had to coach the side.  Isn't that what coaches do?

Quote:

> >Oh, by the way, can anyone tell me how Saints got on last season?  I've
> >been living on Mars for the last year or so.

> >Adam.

> They lost the premiership final :-) (Well, you did ask :))

> Dave

> Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

I remember getting e***d about winning these little end of season
competitions when Wigan used to win everything else.

Adam.

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwa » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>FWIW, IMO, the Newlove deal was good for both clubs i.e. I think you could
>say Newlove was worth what Saints paid for him and I think the players
>Bradford got have done pretty good for them.

>As for the unknown from Oz.  What did he have to do except pick up the
>squad Hughes put together?

>Given the players first mentioned on this thread as an exchange for Harris
>I don't think that the same is true this time (from Saints point of view)
>AND given what has been written about Martyn on r.s.r.l by other Saints
>fans I should think his supporters will think likewise.

IMO swapping Martyn plus others and a huge wad of cash is a bad move, but
hey I thought the Newlove deal was a bad one so who am I to argue?

Geff

Quote:

>Dave

>Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

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St. Helens, Merseyside   | of it's own"
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