FT Spoiler: NZ v GB

FT Spoiler: NZ v GB

Post by Ian Stewar » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:11:24


NZ 18 v GB 14

Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

In the early stages I thought GB really should have put a tired looking
Kiwi team away, but by the end I thought they were lucky the Kiwis were
dropping like flies.

So many errors from both sides, but GB's were in much more attacking
positions. I think they'll look back at that one with a fair bit of regret.

All in all, very ugly.

Ian

 
 
 

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Post by Dee Brooke » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:32:39

Quote:

> NZ 18 v GB 14

> Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

> In the early stages I thought GB really should have put a tired looking
> Kiwi team away, but by the end I thought they were lucky the Kiwis were
> dropping like flies.

> So many errors from both sides, but GB's were in much more attacking
> positions. I think they'll look back at that one with a fair bit of regret.

> All in all, very ugly.

> Ian

I think you're being a bit unfair, I didn't think that it was as bad as
you make out. A couple of changes I would make would be to completely
drop O'Loughlin (a waste of a loose forward) and move Ellis to 13, with
Hock starting in the 2nd row, and Wilkin on the bench. I would also put
Yeaman in for Gleeson (I know it's the wrong side for him, but Gleeson's
positioning was poor). With a little more luck on a couple of decisions
and the bounce of the ball, we could have won this game. I also think
that the Kiwis would have been very pleased to see Roby go off in the
2nd half, he caused them a lot of problems.

Dee

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Edli » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:34:08


Quote:
> NZ 18 v GB 14

> Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

Extremely disappointing I think for both countries.  GB had better improve,
because against an awful Kiwi performance they let in three very soft tries
and didn't really look up to it themselves.  Aussie would have destroyed
either team by 40 tonight.

The whinging (Phil Clarke aside) from the pundits here is based around the
officiating (the ref was awful, but it was a very balanced degree of ***
... unbiased, but awful.), but I don't think that they quite realise the
amount of shit they're in next week.  It's the worst performance from a
nearly-full strength Kiwi team that I've seen since the 0-3 tour in which
Freeman showed his quality as a coach.

For what it's worth, I think there was a genuine call for a penalty with
McGuire (before the line, so no penalty try) but that was balanced by Senior
clearing out both defenders for the final try - Vagana went to him but Webb
didn't - he was tripped by the decoy and only ever managed a partial
recovery.  It's probably instructive that the Lions best move in the first
half - the only one that the pundits could talk about - was due to strip
from Senior.  Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising anyone :-)

Gleeson was undoubtedly the best player on the pitch for the Kiwis, and I
would not select him again.  Of the black shirts, Mannering looked better
but the most impressive performance for me was Fa'alogo, who did change the
character of the forward pack when he was on.  We missed Blair, and Ropati
made relatively few errors but didn't come close to shining.  Wiki was out
of it through the whole game and I do wonder whether it's only the (c)
that's keeping him in the side at the moment.

Quote:
> In the early stages I thought GB really should have put a tired looking
> Kiwi team away, but by the end I thought they were lucky the Kiwis were
> dropping like flies.

I hope Hape's back next time, alongside Blair, and Tony should start on
Topou's wing.  Mannering to the bench as a utility if Hape's still injured.

Pryce looked dangerous every time he tiouched the ball; McGuire would be a
very dangerous interchange ***.

Quote:
> So many errors from both sides, but GB's were in much more attacking
> positions. I think they'll look back at that one with a fair bit of
> regret.

> All in all, very ugly.

I've never seen a team play so badly and still be comfortable winners.  I
can see a real car crash next week ----

The kiwis did do one thing right though - when the lucked out to have an
18-2 lead they did try to get the extra point or two that would have made
the difference in for and against.  An 18 point victory, and the Kiwis would
have been safer after a win in two weeks time.

Richard.

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:01:06

"Richard Edlin"  wrote

Quote:
> Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising anyone :-)

Aye, after being put on report he threw a punch at the head of a player who
was face down on the ground.  A real man - not!

He should have walked.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Dee Brooke » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:10:13

Quote:

> "Richard Edlin"  wrote

>> Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising anyone :-)

> Aye, after being put on report he threw a punch at the head of a player who
> was face down on the ground.  A real man - not!

> He should have walked.

> John.

To be fair, he shouldn't have been put on report, there was no problem
with the tackle, but the punch was just dumb, he wasn't going to achieve
anything except a penalty.

Dee

 
 
 

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Post by erasmu » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:39:51


Quote:

> "Richard Edlin"  wrote

>> Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising anyone :-)

> Aye, after being put on report he threw a punch at the head of a player
> who was face down on the ground.  A real man - not!

> He should have walked.

> John.

hey leave him alone , the elbow came up first,

eras

 
 
 

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Post by Oswald P Wron » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:04:28

Quote:

> NZ 18 v GB 14

> Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

Another shot in the foot for those clowns who con-tinue to argue that
only Ausfailure can produce primates of the claibre required to stuff
up an international game of football.

I was absofuggenlootly flabbergasted to hear that Homer was given a
test again after he has proven tiome and again that as an incompetent
bufoon he has no peers.

Ausfailure really has a creditbility problem with their argument here
and it's a good thing that they don't have enough self respect to care
about how utterly stupid they look.

Unless they can pull out a ref that can prove that their lot is
anything less than a sack full of busted arseholes, and soon, they may
as well just admit that their argument is simply bullsh!t and an excuse
to give their shower of sh!t team the leg up it so desperately needs to
beat the Kiwis.

Quote:
> In the early stages I thought GB really should have put a tired looking
> Kiwi team away, but by the end I thought they were lucky the Kiwis were
> dropping like flies.

I thought the opposite was the case. NZ should have beaten this side by
30 points but put in an arrogant performance that was just a case of
going through the motions knowing that a win was always on the cards.

I'll be speaking to them about it as soon as possible and let them know
my feelings on this.

Quote:
> So many errors from both sides, but GB's were in much more attacking
> positions. I think they'll look back at that one with a fair bit of regret.

Nope. GB took the Wrong option each time they went down Carney's wing.
They were looking good down the other side but didn't go there often
enough.

Quote:
> All in all, very ugly.

The bright side is Ausfailure will only get more and more comfortable
after watching that game and make them that much easier to beat in the
final.

Tactically, not a good game for the Kiwis, strategically, a good
result.

Quote:
> Ian

 
 
 

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Post by Oswald P Wron » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:27:54

Quote:



> > NZ 18 v GB 14

> > Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

> Extremely disappointing I think for both countries.  GB had better improve,
> because against an awful Kiwi performance they let in three very soft tries
> and didn't really look up to it themselves.  Aussie would have destroyed
> either team by 40 tonight.

Yep.

Quote:
> The whinging (Phil Clarke aside) from the pundits here is based around the
> officiating (the ref was awful, but it was a very balanced degree of ***
> ... unbiased, but awful.),

Aussie refs are an embaressment to the world of sport.

Where's the news in that?

Quote:
>but I don't think that they quite realise the
> amount of shit they're in next week.  It's the worst performance from a
> nearly-full strength Kiwi team that I've seen since the 0-3 tour in which
> Freeman showed his quality as a coach.

Was sitting having a pint at the Bard on Avon with Jeff and Whizzer
went past on his way to the *** and sat down for a catch up. Also
had a coffee with pom legend Alex Hughes at Starbucks. Could name drop
all night, it's been a great weekend for it.

Quote:
> For what it's worth, I think there was a genuine call for a penalty with
> McGuire (before the line, so no penalty try) but that was balanced by Senior
> clearing out both defenders for the final try - Vagana went to him but Webb
> didn't - he was tripped by the decoy and only ever managed a partial
> recovery.  It's probably instructive that the Lions best move in the first
> half - the only one that the pundits could talk about - was due to strip
> from Senior.

During the team warm ups it was clear that the poms had been trying to
master the Aussie sheperd tactic that is currently earning them the
reputation for the worlds worst cheats. It was no surprise that the
poms stuffed that up as well.

Quote:
>Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising anyone :-)

Was hilarious to see him belt Webb, who in my opiniuon was MOTM. What
is it with these biug meathead wannabe thugs like Morley and Mason?
They make all this noise and pretend to be big and tough but they
really are***less wonders. Take out the biff and where are they? One
has a black eye and terrible headaches and the other is on report for
thuggery. meanwhile the Kiwis just get on with winning the
tournament...

Quote:
> Gleeson was undoubtedly the best player on the pitch for the Kiwis, and I
> would not select him again.  Of the black shirts, Mannering looked better

Mannering was the big liability in this game for mine. He's gone,
surely.

Quote:
> but the most impressive performance for me was Fa'alogo, who did change the
> character of the forward pack when he was on.  We missed Blair, and Ropati
> made relatively few errors but didn't come close to shining.  Wiki was out
> of it through the whole game and I do wonder whether it's only the (c)
> that's keeping him in the side at the moment.

Thought his runs were quite penetrating actually. Made 10 yardf or more
most of the time.

Quote:
> > In the early stages I thought GB really should have put a tired looking
> > Kiwi team away, but by the end I thought they were lucky the Kiwis were
> > dropping like flies.

> I hope Hape's back next time,

He told me he would be.

Quote:
>alongside Blair, and Tony should start on
> Topou's wing.  Mannering to the bench as a utility if Hape's still injured.

> Pryce looked dangerous every time he tiouched the ball; McGuire would be a
> very dangerous interchange ***.

Agree about Pryce. We saw him in town and I was going to go up and talk
with him but Jeff didn't want to be seen talking with him so we left
it.

Thought the number 11 was GB's best.

Quote:
> > So many errors from both sides, but GB's were in much more attacking
> > positions. I think they'll look back at that one with a fair bit of
> > regret.

> > All in all, very ugly.

> I've never seen a team play so badly and still be comfortable winners.  I
> can see a real car crash next week ----

Pedestrian effort form the Kiwis, just went through the motions and
walking back to the bars after the game most of the 17,000 crowd who we
chatted with thought the same.

Ask them if they think we can win the final and they all say yes.

Quote:
> The kiwis did do one thing right though - when the lucked out to have an
> 18-2 lead they did try to get the extra point or two that would have made
> the difference in for and against.  An 18 point victory, and the Kiwis would
> have been safer after a win in two weeks time.

My first time at Jade Stadium and being a ruggeroid cesspit it had a
TAB, so we had a look at the odds. I noticed the first scoring move
market had both NZ and GB at $7.00 Jeff reckoned if the Kiwis got a
penalty early they'd run the ball whereas id the poms got a chance at
the 2 they'd take it.

Bang on and a very nice collect for the lads.

I had a bit of punting money because there was some halfwitted meathead
in here offering odds of 50+ for the next time Aus takes on NZ but when
I called him on it he cowered away and hid under a rock and has been
quieter than Willy Mason in game 2.

It's often said that the best way to shut an ocker up is to meet him
front on and flatten him and it's certainly a tactic that both David
Kidwell and I agree on 100%.

Quote:
> Richard.

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:50

"erasmus"  wrote

Quote:
> hey leave him alone , the elbow came up first,

Aye, get the practice in Pete, you'll be defending him all next season.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by YKW » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:56:13

Quote:
> It's often said that the best way to shut an ocker up is to meet him
> front on and flatten him and it's certainly a tactic that both David
> Kidwell and I agree on 100%.

Kidwell turned his back, do you backup as well??
 
 
 

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Post by Sharktbbtf » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:46:04


Quote:



>> NZ 18 v GB 14

>> Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

> Extremely disappointing I think for both countries.  GB had better
> improve, because against an awful Kiwi performance they let in three very
> soft tries and didn't really look up to it themselves.  Aussie would have
> destroyed either team by 40 tonight.

> The whinging (Phil Clarke aside) from the pundits here is based around the
> officiating (the ref was awful, but it was a very balanced degree of ***
> ... unbiased, but awful.), but I don't think that they quite realise the
> amount of shit they're in next week.  It's the worst performance from a
> nearly-full strength Kiwi team that I've seen since the 0-3 tour in which
> Freeman showed his quality as a coach.

> For what it's worth, I think there was a genuine call for a penalty with
> McGuire (before the line, so no penalty try) but that was balanced by
> Senior clearing out both defenders for the final try - Vagana went to him
> but Webb didn't - he was tripped by the decoy and only ever managed a
> partial recovery.  It's probably instructive that the Lions best move in
> the first half - the only one that the pundits could talk about - was due
> to strip from Senior.  Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising
> anyone :-)

> Gleeson was undoubtedly the best player on the pitch for the Kiwis, and I
> would not select him again.  Of the black shirts, Mannering looked better
> but the most impressive performance for me was Fa'alogo, who did change
> the character of the forward pack when he was on.  We missed Blair, and
> Ropati made relatively few errors but didn't come close to shining.

The last time I saw Shining like that was the Stephen King Film. He missed
two crucial tackles and did *** all. If they'd put Tony in to stand-off or
left Vagana there we could have continued to consolidate.

Wiki was out

Quote:
> of it through the whole game and I do wonder whether it's only the (c)
> that's keeping him in the side at the moment.

I'm positive he's been playing busted for some time now.

Here's the telling stats - Not one of the starting forward pack made over 82
metres. Nathan Cayless was the only forward to make over 100 metres.

We missed 36 tackles to their 23.

We made 100 less metres than they did and the only players to break 100 were
Cayless & Webb.

--
Sharktbbtfy

 
 
 

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Post by Sharktbbtf » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:49:27



Quote:




>> > NZ 18 v GB 14

>> > Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

>> Extremely disappointing I think for both countries.  GB had better
>> improve,
>> because against an awful Kiwi performance they let in three very soft
>> tries
>> and didn't really look up to it themselves.  Aussie would have destroyed
>> either team by 40 tonight.

> Yep.

>> The whinging (Phil Clarke aside) from the pundits here is based around
>> the
>> officiating (the ref was awful, but it was a very balanced degree of ***
>> ... unbiased, but awful.),

> Aussie refs are an embaressment to the world of sport.

> Where's the news in that?

>>but I don't think that they quite realise the
>> amount of shit they're in next week.  It's the worst performance from a
>> nearly-full strength Kiwi team that I've seen since the 0-3 tour in which
>> Freeman showed his quality as a coach.

> Was sitting having a pint at the Bard on Avon with Jeff and Whizzer
> went past on his way to the *** and sat down for a catch up. Also
> had a coffee with pom legend Alex Hughes at Starbucks. Could name drop
> all night, it's been a great weekend for it.

>> For what it's worth, I think there was a genuine call for a penalty with
>> McGuire (before the line, so no penalty try) but that was balanced by
>> Senior
>> clearing out both defenders for the final try - Vagana went to him but
>> Webb
>> didn't - he was tripped by the decoy and only ever managed a partial
>> recovery.  It's probably instructive that the Lions best move in the
>> first
>> half - the only one that the pundits could talk about - was due to strip
>> from Senior.

> During the team warm ups it was clear that the poms had been trying to
> master the Aussie sheperd tactic that is currently earning them the
> reputation for the worlds worst cheats. It was no surprise that the
> poms stuffed that up as well.

>>Morely's a thug, but that's not really surprising anyone :-)

> Was hilarious to see him belt Webb, who in my opiniuon was MOTM. What
> is it with these biug meathead wannabe thugs like Morley and Mason?
> They make all this noise and pretend to be big and tough but they
> really are***less wonders. Take out the biff and where are they? One
> has a black eye and terrible headaches and the other is on report for
> thuggery. meanwhile the Kiwis just get on with winning the
> tournament...

>> Gleeson was undoubtedly the best player on the pitch for the Kiwis, and I
>> would not select him again.  Of the black shirts, Mannering looked better

> Mannering was the big liability in this game for mine. He's gone,
> surely.

>> but the most impressive performance for me was Fa'alogo, who did change
>> the
>> character of the forward pack when he was on.  We missed Blair, and
>> Ropati
>> made relatively few errors but didn't come close to shining.  Wiki was
>> out
>> of it through the whole game and I do wonder whether it's only the (c)
>> that's keeping him in the side at the moment.

> Thought his runs were quite penetrating actually. Made 10 yardf or more
> most of the time.

He had 8 hitups then as he made 82 metres. Not enough. Thought Asotasi has
been disappointing as well as I really rated him.

--
Sharktbbtfy

 
 
 

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Post by Sharktbbtf » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:50:31



Quote:


>> NZ 18 v GB 14

>> Very ordinary game which was very poorly officiated.

> Another shot in the foot for those clowns who con-tinue to argue that
> only Ausfailure can produce primates of the claibre required to stuff
> up an international game of football.

> I was absofuggenlootly flabbergasted to hear that Homer was given a
> test again after he has proven tiome and again that as an incompetent
> bufoon he has no peers.

> Ausfailure really has a creditbility problem with their argument here
> and it's a good thing that they don't have enough self respect to care
> about how utterly stupid they look.

> Unless they can pull out a ref that can prove that their lot is
> anything less than a sack full of busted arseholes, and soon, they may
> as well just admit that their argument is simply bullsh!t and an excuse
> to give their shower of sh!t team the leg up it so desperately needs to
> beat the Kiwis.

>> In the early stages I thought GB really should have put a tired looking
>> Kiwi team away, but by the end I thought they were lucky the Kiwis were
>> dropping like flies.

> I thought the opposite was the case. NZ should have beaten this side by
> 30 points but put in an arrogant performance that was just a case of
> going through the motions knowing that a win was always on the cards.

> I'll be speaking to them about it as soon as possible and let them know
> my feelings on this.

>> So many errors from both sides, but GB's were in much more attacking
>> positions. I think they'll look back at that one with a fair bit of
>> regret.

> Nope. GB took the Wrong option each time they went down Carney's wing.
> They were looking good down the other side but didn't go there often
> enough.

Yep, thought they butchered a number of opps where they had the numbers on
us.

--
Sharktbbtfy

 
 
 

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Post by Airw0l » Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:26:25



Quote:

> Yep, thought they butchered a number of opps where they had the
> numbers on us.

Some credit has to go to Vatuvei. For a guy built like a tank, he really
knows when to come out of the line. A couple of opportunities were snuffed
out by Vatuvei either knowing to hold his place in time for his centre to
come across, or by coming up quickly to force the play.
 
 
 

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Post by Oswald P Wro » Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:37:27

Quote:

>> It's often said that the best way to shut an ocker up is to meet him
>> front on and flatten him and it's certainly a tactic that both David
>> Kidwell and I agree on 100%.

>Kidwell turned his back, do you backup as well??

Was at Christchurch Airport today and got delayed so jeff and I had to
hang around for a few hours. The good side of this is as we waited the
Kiwis turned up.

First person I spoke to was Stacey Jones, always nice to chat with
him. Next guy I sought out was David Kidwell. Fugg me, this guy must
wear a few singlets under his jumper cause there's not much to him.

I've only met Mason the once, do a google on the time I spoke to him
at Albany Stadium, but Mason is huge.

That Kidwell flattened him so easily just shows how much stronger
kidwell is than this pansy some of you blokes want to rub your nudgers
on.

I had a chat with Rubes and we discussed the Morley incident. Quote:
"It takes a bit more than that to hurt me"

Mason take note.

The guys are off to Queenstown for a camp but I couldn't go as I have
a rock show to put on this week.

The flight back was cool too.

We sat behind Big Artie and had a good chat with him. Nice bloke. In
the seats behind us were the NZRL board.

Interesting trip home.

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Subject: Re: The good guys
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005

Nah mate, he's right. It should be a hiding.