Salary Cap

Salary Cap

Post by Easygoing_Dav » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:19:37


Presume Saints will get away with it next year as well, a fine is no use to
a team which has enough money to pay more out in wages than they should.

The Ausies had the best idea, strip the team of all their points, let them
start again from zero now

Dave

 
 
 

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Post by Gordon Murra » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:40:18


Quote:
> Presume Saints will get away with it next year as well, a fine is no use
> to a team which has enough money to pay more out in wages than they
> should.

> The Ausies had the best idea, strip the team of all their points, let them
> start again from zero now

> Dave

A bit harsh, that, on Saints, who were only 0.8 per cent ( 80pence in
a hundred pounds) over the salary cap, compared to Bradford`s
4 per cent.....and Wigan`s?? per cent

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:35:11

"Gordon Murray"  wrote

Quote:
> A bit harsh, that, on Saints, who were only 0.8 per cent ( 80pence in
> a hundred pounds) over the salary cap, compared to Bradford`s
> 4 per cent.....and Wigan`s?? per cent

I agree it would be harsh, but at the end of the day a salary cap should be
just that - an absolute upper limit.  Any contravention by any club should
result in harsh punishment.

Judging by Maurice Lindsay's relief at his victory in ensuring that Wigan's
alleged contravention is dealt with under the 2006 salary cap rules (a fair
enough decision in my book) it sounds as though Wigan's overspend may be
rather more significant.

If, as was widely rumoured last season when the Warriors signed Stuart
Fielden, they effectively avoided relegation by anticipating that any salary
cap overspend would be dealt with by points deduction during the 2007
season, then I would be inclined to suggest that this should be regarded as
a significantly more serious issue, and could constitute blatant cheating.

If that is the case and the overspend is significant, then some further
charge should be levied against the club and further sanctions ought to
result above and beyond the laid down penalties for breaches of the cap,
especially as (from memory) this would be the second successive season that
the Pies have exceeded their allowance.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Dee Brooke » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:34:49

Quote:

> Presume Saints will get away with it next year as well, a fine is no use to
> a team which has enough money to pay more out in wages than they should.

> The Ausies had the best idea, strip the team of all their points, let them
> start again from zero now

> Dave

Saints overspend was due to bonus payments to internationals who played
in the "hurridly arranged" game v NZ during the season. This could not
be anticipated. It was not on the regular salaries of the players. I
think it's probably fair enough.

I do have a question though. Next season, the salary cap checks are
"live" and deductions will happen on-the-spot, but there's still this
season to deal with. Will that happen at this time next year, so a club
could possibly loose points more than once next season?

Dee

 
 
 

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Post by Wirral Sain » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:37:48

The overspend for Saints came from bonus payments to Ade Gardner and
James Graham for playing for GB in the mid season international
against New Zealand held at Knowsley Road last year. It seems to me
its a poor thing if players are told they cannot play for their
country because it takes the club over the salary cap. Shouldn't we be
encouraging young players to play for their country rather than
discouraging them? I'm not sure anyway how payment by country can be
seen as overspend by the club??
 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:56:27

"Wirral Saint"  wrote

Quote:
> The overspend for Saints came from bonus payments to Ade Gardner and
> James Graham for playing for GB in the mid season international
> against New Zealand held at Knowsley Road last year. It seems to me
> its a poor thing if players are told they cannot play for their
> country because it takes the club over the salary cap. Shouldn't we be
> encouraging young players to play for their country rather than
> discouraging them? I'm not sure anyway how payment by country can be
> seen as overspend by the club??

Sorry I disagree, if a club offers bonuses to players for playing at
international level then surely the Club must be aware of the implications
that this might have for their outgoings.  I'm sure other clubs had similar
bonuses written into their players' contracts and still managed to stay
within their salary caps.

The simple solution to this is for any payment for international appearances
to be made solely by the international body and for clubs to stop additional
incentives of this nature.

I'm not getting at St Helens by saying this, as I'm still of the opinion
that their contravention was of a fairly minor nature.  On the other hand
I'm convinced that others have deliberately circumvented the salary cap for
their own ends.  That I think can only be construed as premeditated
cheating.

John.

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Post by Easygoing_Dav » Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:54:29

The way Saints, Bradford and Wigan flout the rules, they will have points
deducted more than once for next season without taking into account this
season.

Dave

Quote:

> I do have a question though. Next season, the salary cap checks are "live"
> and deductions will happen on-the-spot, but there's still this season to
> deal with. Will that happen at this time next year, so a club could
> possibly loose points more than once next season?

> Dee

 
 
 

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Post by Erasmu » Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:21:42


Quote:

> The way Saints, Bradford and Wigan flout the rules, they will have points
> deducted more than once for next season without taking into account this
> season.

> Dave

>> I do have a question though. Next season, the salary cap checks are
>> "live" and deductions will happen on-the-spot, but there's still this
>> season to deal with. Will that happen at this time next year, so a club
>> could possibly loose points more than once next season?

>> Dee

I would surmise that they could dependant on how many times they are
audited, if they are over the cap on the first audit and then do not rein in
the overspend I should think that they would lose points again, and it would
serve them right. Certain people at a certain club are calling for a cap in
the Football premier League and then flouting it in the SL, cake and eat it
comes to mind or I only want what suits me sir, Saints transgression was
because players got into the GB squad and got bonuses ,If Wigan transgress
it was to avoid relegation .

Quote:

>Paul Cullen is on record as saying that Warrington even after signing Matt
>King have not come near their cap.

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Post by John Turne » Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:12:09

Anyone thought that rather than fining a club for breaches of their salary
cap, what the impact would be of reducing their available spend the
following season by TWICE the current season's overspend?

If that were adopted I guarantee that the problem would disappear overnight!

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Easygoing_Dav » Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:17:34

Is that the same as giving a driving ban to someone for driving without a
driving licence??

If they ignore it this season, they will just ignore it again and again.

Another possibility is to award automatic relegation for repeat offenders.

Dave

Quote:
> Anyone thought that rather than fining a club for breaches of their salary
> cap, what the impact would be of reducing their available spend the
> following season by TWICE the current season's overspend?

> If that were adopted I guarantee that the problem would disappear
> overnight!

> John.

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:48:00

"Easygoing_Dave"  wrote

Quote:
> Is that the same as giving a driving ban to someone for driving without a
> driving licence??

> If they ignore it this season, they will just ignore it again and again.

> Another possibility is to award automatic relegation for repeat offenders.

I don't see how then can ignore it - if a club overspends by 100k lets say,
the following season their cap would be reduced by 200k and they'd have the
points deduction(s) to contend with during the current season.

If they then overspend the following season their cap would be further
reduced the season after that - and so on.

The points deduction alone could of course have already resulted in
relegation.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Arthur Py » Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:44:02



Quote:
>I do have a question though. Next season, the salary cap checks are
>"live" and deductions will happen on-the-spot, but there's still this
>season to deal with. Will that happen at this time next year, so a club
>could possibly loose points more than once next season?

Yes, I wondered about that too. But I have a *** feeling that once the
live capping is in place, this season will be quietly forgotten.

Another thought I had is that why shouldn't salary cap penalties be
applied to the Challenge Cup as well as Superleague? Not in the current
regulations I'm sure, but why not?
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Arthur