The problem at Wigan

The problem at Wigan

Post by paul.thomps.. » Tue, 19 May 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I also think that with Bell only signed for one year he will go at the end of
> this season. He was wanted as cover for centre/wing anyway. Something we have
> with Gilmour anyway now.

> Moore has a 1 year contract with a three year option, so if he doesn't shape
> up he will go.

> McCormack has a 1 year contract and will leave after this season. We may see a
> renewed bid for Paul Rowley, or better still Keiron Cunningham.

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My view is - McCormack- does put 100% in but lacks some ability, Jon
Clarke should have more chances.
Bell-bring back the Dean version
Moore-bring back the Patrick version!
Betts-poor games at Leeds and Wembley
Monie-lack of ideas and motivation, strong defence and we go to pieces!

In short a lack of mongrel when the going gets tough.

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The problem at Wigan

Post by paul.thomps.. » Tue, 19 May 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> >No sooner do I sing the praises of Daryl Cardiss then he gets selected
> >for Friday game.  Maybe it's his chance to prove himslef and Monie is not
> >taking much of a risk here, with it only being Huddersfield.

> How very patronising!! On form over the past 3 matches Wigan are only
> slightly better than Huddersfield with 1 win to 0.

> In fact over the past one match their records are identical 1 played 1
> lost. :^)

> <snipped>
> --
> Lloyd J. Barkham

He is not being patronising, he thinks Huddersfield are poor and said
so!

 
 
 

The problem at Wigan

Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

We had a good discussion last night about whay teams can turn Wigan over
and win by just a few points.

The big factors were...

Wigan have got a great defense.  We just need a better attack.  The problem is
is that Wigan have three playmakers trying to run the plays,  Smith,
Paul and Faz.
Now this may confuse the opposition defense, but it also breaks up and confuses
Wigan's own attack.  We need one general like when Edwards was the play maker.

When Wigan are loosing or are struggling John Monies half time talks seem not
to change the useless tactics, or do nothing to gee up the team and make them
come out fighting for the 2nd half.  So what is he sating and why isn't it
making the team play better after half time.

Wigan are short of a good wingman.  Well we wouldn't have been if
Monie had played
Smyth on the wing, instead of playing as many 2nd rowers/centers out
of position as
possible to fill the gaps. IE Gilmour on the wing, Johnson at Centre,
Bell on the wing
etc.....  Wigan need a good, young and fast Winger.  We should have
bought Alan Hunte
or Joey Hayes when we had a chance, instead of Mark Bell.

Have you any commenst or thing to add.

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Post by John Barro » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

I agree.  Weird that you say that about Edwards, because I was only thinking
the same thing last night.  Smith is an excellent player but Wigan IMO need
an Edwards type scrum-half.  You could see against Leeds the lack of
imagination at times in the attack.  You have said before about buying a
centre/scrum-half/winger but who ?

Quote:

>We had a good discussion last night about whay teams can turn Wigan over
>and win by just a few points.

>The big factors were...

>Wigan have got a great defense.  We just need a better attack.  The problem
is
>is that Wigan have three playmakers trying to run the plays,  Smith,
>Paul and Faz.
>Now this may confuse the opposition defense, but it also breaks up and
confuses
>Wigan's own attack.  We need one general like when Edwards was the play
maker.

...Snip...
 
 
 

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> You have said before about buying a centre/scrum-half/winger but who

We could try and buy Rob Smyth  ????

Daryl Cardis is fast, young and an adequate wing man.

We should have put in a bid for Hunte or Chris Smith when we had a chance.
It will ease next season and Sailor arrives, and maybe the current board are
just hoping for the good season this year and are awaiting Bell, McCormack
and Paul to leave so three class overseas players can be signed.  Sailor
being the wingan we need.

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

I also think that with Bell only signed for one year he will go at the end of
this season. He was wanted as cover for centre/wing anyway. Something we have
with Gilmour anyway now.

Moore has a 1 year contract with a three year option, so if he doesn't shape
up he will go.  

McCormack has a 1 year contract and will leave after this season. We may see a
renewed bid for Paul Rowley, or better still Keiron Cunningham.

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

No sooner do I sing the praises of Daryl Cardiss then he gets selected
for Friday game.  Maybe it's his chance to prove himslef and Monie is not
taking much of a risk here, with it only being Huddersfield.  But I hope
he comes on as a winger and not full back.

Radlinski is this countrys best Full back and we should keep him there.

Anyway the team for Friday is.

So the Wigan Team will be:
Kris Radlinski, Jason Robinson, Danny Moore, Gary Connolly, Mark
Bell, Henry Paul, Tony Smith, Neil Cowie, Robbie McCormack, Tony
Mestrov, Denis Betts, Mick Cassidy, Andy Farrell (Capt.)

Substitutes: Simon Haughton, Lee Gilmour, Stephen Holgate, Daryl Cardiss.

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Post by Lloyd J. Barkha » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>No sooner do I sing the praises of Daryl Cardiss then he gets selected
>for Friday game.  Maybe it's his chance to prove himslef and Monie is not
>taking much of a risk here, with it only being Huddersfield.

How very patronising!! On form over the past 3 matches Wigan are only
slightly better than Huddersfield with 1 win to 0.

In fact over the past one match their records are identical 1 played 1
lost. :^)

<snipped>
--
Lloyd J. Barkham

 
 
 

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Post by John Barro » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

Patronising, but most probably true.  Teams in all sports do it.  Although
some to their peril....

I've got say I am disappointed with both Moore and Bell.  Looking to the the
future, after Connolly leaves, Wigan's major weakness could be at centre.
Are there any promising academy centres?

Quote:



>>No sooner do I sing the praises of Daryl Cardiss then he gets selected
>>for Friday game.  Maybe it's his chance to prove himslef and Monie is not
>>taking much of a risk here, with it only being Huddersfield.

>How very patronising!! On form over the past 3 matches Wigan are >
>Lloyd J. Barkham

....Snipped
 
 
 

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Post by Paul Matthe » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>etc.....  Wigan need a good, young and fast Winger.  We should have
>bought Alan Hunte
>or Joey Hayes when we had a chance, instead of Mark Bell.

>Have you any commenst or thing to add.

Cardiss and Smyth?
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Post by neil meadow » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>When Wigan are loosing or are struggling John Monies half time talks seem
not
>to change the useless tactics, or do nothing to gee up the team and make
them
>come out fighting for the 2nd half.  So what is he saying and why isn't it
>making the team play better after half time.

Perhaps he isn't that concerned.

I have felt for some time that Monie, this time around, is not as passionate
or committed as previous. Is it because the club aren't paying him what they
paid before - or what he thinks he is worth?
Is he here for an easy ride - and easy money whilst biding his time for
offers from OZ despite the assurances otherwise. ("Methinks he protest too
much" - Hamlet)

He certainly needs to build his reputation again after the Auckland
experience - isn't 12 months at Wigan an easy way of furthering his CV
without too much effort?

Whilst we are on the subject Bell, Moore, McCormack and Betts only seem to
be here for an easy ride and easy money.

 
 
 

The problem at Wigan

Post by Graham Bra » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

On Wed, 20 May 1998 09:42:46 +0100, Mr P Halliwell

Quote:

>We had a good discussion last night about why teams can turn Wigan over
>and win by just a few points.

>The big factors were...

>Wigan have got a great defense.  We just need a better attack.  The problem is
>is that Wigan have three playmakers trying to run the plays,  Smith,
>Paul and Faz.

No argument there. Last Friday I was watching Farrell closely, and it
seems to me that he's going looking for the ball wherever it is and
whoever has it, which is messing up Wigan's structure. A couple of
times he was to be found between the centres waiting to kick instead
of trying to do something useful with his hands. His kicking game
isn't at its best, and Paul's kicking is a gift to the opposition at
present. And I think the other point about the attack, though Friday
may have been exaggerated in this respect, is that Cassidy, Cowie,
Betts and sometimes Haughton seem more interested in one on one
battles with an opponent than serving their teammates.
Quote:

>When Wigan are loosing or are struggling John Monies half time talks seem not
>to change the useless tactics, or do nothing to gee up the team and make them
>come out fighting for the 2nd half.  So what is he sating and why isn't it
>making the team play better after half time.

Read Jack Charlton's autobiography last week, in which he makes the
useful point that you can't remember much in the heat of a match. If
your team develops bad habits, they take some shifting, because
they're reflexes - they're not thinking before they do these things.
 
 
 

The problem at Wigan

Post by Liverpool PieEate » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



>>No sooner do I sing the praises of Daryl Cardiss then he gets selected
>>for Friday game.  Maybe it's his chance to prove himslef and Monie is not
>>taking much of a risk here, with it only being Huddersfield.

>How very patronising!!
>On form over the past 3 matches Wigan are only
>slightly better than Huddersfield with 1 win to 0.

>In fact over the past one match their records are identical 1 played 1
>lost. :^)

Hmmm, all very interesting.  You have heard the saying:  there are lies,
damn lies and statistics.

I would say, sticking my neck out here :), that Wigan may well just win this
one against Huddersfield by a slender 30 point margin.

Quote:

><snipped>
>--
>Lloyd J. Barkham

 
 
 

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Post by HolidaysInKell » Thu, 21 May 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Wigan have got a great defense.  We just need a better attack.  The problem
is
>is that Wigan have three playmakers trying to run the plays,  Smith,
>Paul and Faz.

Smith isn't a playmaker - he's a finisher. Paul drifts out of the game too
easily when he isn't the centre of attention so play him at *** and keep
his attention. With Smith following Farrell and Paul daydreaming, Farrell
has no choice but to do all the playmaking.

Things aren't that bad - on Goats' stats Wigan are still outscoring Leeds.

Quote:
>Wigan are short of a good wingman.

Wigan need more forwards working closer to the ruck. That's were Leeds and
Sheffield won against Wigan. . . by beating them up in the forwards.
Sometimes it seems all the back row are playing between centre and wing.

John

 
 
 

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Post by Mr P Halliwel » Fri, 22 May 1998 04:00:00



these words:

Quote:
> Smith isn't a playmaker - he's a finisher. Paul drifts out of the game too
> easily when he isn't the centre of attention so play him at *** and keep
> his attention. With Smith following Farrell and Paul daydreaming, Farrell
> has no choice but to do all the playmaking.

Smith is trying to be a playmaker though.  Paul just seems to lack confidence
in the big games.  Except he went back to NZ and played *** and had a great
game.  So maybe he's homesick and wants out of Wigan.  He is certainly not as
creative as he used to be.  But then defences are better these days.

Wigan did much better when Wright was playing.  He had the power and dedication
to run the half backs and leave Farrell to make the breaks and get
ready for the
kicks.

Quote:
> Wigan need more forwards working closer to the ruck. That's were Leeds and
> Sheffield won against Wigan. . . by beating them up in the forwards.
> Sometimes it seems all the back row are playing between centre and wing.

Yes the Wigan forwards need to work harder.  I'll bet after a few Weeks out
O'Connor will come back fired up and have a storming game, when nhe gets a
chance.  

There is not much wrong with Robbie "pit-bull" McCormack. He makes good breaks
from Dummy half and gets involved in nearly every tackle.  His work rate is
excellent and of the three Ausies Monie signed he is the best one.

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