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Post by Chris Co » Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>         The newspaper in question (The Courier/Sunday Mail) is nothing
> short of a disgrace to this state and its people. To hold virtually

Absolutely, especially the Sunday Mail.  They were the ones that
published that ridiculous form.  The Courier Mail, while it's still bad,
is infinitely better than the SM.

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Post by Chris Co » Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I agree.

Good for you! :)

Quote:
> Without John Quayle and Ken Arthurson the game would still be in the
> doldrums of the early eighties.

> Instead, we have the Greatest Game of All.

HAD the Greatest Game of All...it was ripped apart by both sides.

Quote:
> Personally, I think that the reasons given for the Superleague aren't
> valid.  The last two years have seen more teams in the running for the
> finals in the last few weeks than every before.

Maybe that has more to do with the fact that it was a top 8 system
rather than a top 5. If it had been a top 5 system, the finalists
would've basically been decided a few weeks out.

Quote:
> Rupert could have outbid Packer when the rights came up a few years ago.
> He didn't and then couldn't be patient enough to wait for the contracted
> rights to come up again.  Unethical at least.

Lazy maybe, definitely lack of foresight.

Quote:
> Also, makes you wonder what a Superleague win will be worth next year.  Say
> if Auckland win the Superleague they will have only won the second division
> as they won't have beat Manly or St George.  At least when Parramatta win
> next year we will be the first division champs.

Hm, and Parramatta won't have beaten Canberra, Brisbane or Cronulla.
Yeah, first division.  BOTH competitions will be a second division
standard.

Quote:
> Once again a big Thank You John Quayle for all your efforts.  Sorry that
> greed, disloyalty and unethical behavoiur took the shine off a great
> career.  Maybe you would like to come to New Zealand and help us build up a
> first division team.

Yeah, his greed, his hunger for power combined with the dissatisfaction
of a lot of the clubs, and Rupert's desire to earn a few extra bucks by
feeding off a few administrators desires to take the game to the
future.  I have no doubt that a few of the people involved in SL were
genuinely wanting a better future (ie, Mal Meninga, Michael O'Connor),
and Rupert Murdoch took advantage of that.

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Post by Chris Co » Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> There is no doubt that a compromise will be the best thing that can happen,
> however i hope point 2 does not come about. John Ribot has already shown
> what appears to be all the bad traits that everyone was labeling Quayle and
> Arko as having. I dont really care who is the CEO, as long as Ribot is not
> involved in the hierachy. As other people have said, IMHO, the best person
> would be a trained business administrator, not a footballer turned
> bussinessperson.

Especially not someone who is an ex-CEO of a club!  The ARL could've
done without all the rumour and innuendo surrounding their top two being
ex-Manly and Roosters folks.  It should start a trend that the people
who control the game have had and have nothing to do with any of the
clubs in the organisation.  Heck, if Ribot was the No 2, how many times
would I be arguing that he's not favouring the Broncos (when I'd know
full well that he does!) :)

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Post by Dan Molon » Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:00:00


<SNIP>

Quote:

>Too right!  The way peoples (naive and gullible) opinions on RL are
>manipulated by this rag is disgusting.  The Courier Mail has a lot to
>answer for in what it has pushed onto the general public :(

I couldn't have put it into words any better. I'll never forget 2(?)
years ago ,when there was the coup in russia but the front page News was
devoted to Allan Langer, who was ill at the time, and worries that he
would not perform at 100% in the upcoming games. A very poor attempt at
a "newspaper".

Cheers
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Post by Darren Murph » Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:00:00

-> Personally, I think that the reasons given for the Superleague aren't
-> valid.  The last two years have seen more teams in the running for the
-> finals in the last few weeks than every before.

Well the last two years have had a final _eight_, for starters.

Aside from that, eleven Sydney teams were weighing down the game. Talent
was spread too thin, A home-away season wasn't practical, sponsorships
were harder to secure. The "national" comp was run like a Sydney comp
with a few visitors from interstate (or o/s, in the case of Auckland)

-> Rupert could have outbid Packer when the rights came up a few years ago.
-> He didn't and then couldn't be patient enough to wait for the contracted
-> rights to come up again.  Unethical at least.

A few years ago the game wasn't national. There were five teams outside
Sydney, only two outside NSW (and the Gold Coast is on the border at that)

-> Also, makes you wonder what a Superleague win will be worth next year.  Say
-> if Auckland win the Superleague they will have only won the second division
-> as they won't have beat Manly or St George.  At least when Parramatta win
-> next year we will be the first division champs.

Excuse the french, but what a load of cr*p. Parra will be first division
because they beat Souths, Wests and others on a shoestring budget? Saints
were _lucky_ this year (OK, granted Manly are a top side). They'll go
down as the second best side of the year, but noone (not even a lot of
the dragons players I'd imagine) would believe they were the 2nd best
over the year.

What value will an ARL premiership be worth when you don't have to beat
Penrith, Brisbane, Cronulla, Bulldogs (all of whom beat Parramatta this
year)? Fact is both comps will substandard (although SL will be of a
higher standard IMO, less baggage)

-> Once again a big Thank You John Quayle for all your efforts.  Sorry that
-> greed, disloyalty and unethical behavoiur took the shine off a great
-> career.  Maybe you would like to come to New Zealand and help us build up a
-> first division team.

You have a first division team. BTW if the ARL had implemented their
2-tier system at the start of this year, Parramatta wouldn't have been
first division. I'd wouldn't use that term if I were you.

He did a good job, but as Leigh said he got stale, which
was part of the reason Brisbane and Canberra (and I suspect Townsville,
who didn't need News' money) went to SL anyway.

Darren.

 
 
 

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Post by John Hull » Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Sounds fine: but how about retaining two comps, like the AFC and NFC in
American football? What price a ticket for Manly vs Brisbane for the
inter-comp title, the winners to get the right to slaughter the Europeans?

John



Quote:

>  The scenario would be:

> 1. Arthurson no. 1.
> 2. Ribot no. 2.
> 3. A two tiered comp pending the inevitable mergers etc or too many
Sydney
> clubs.
> 4. Channel 9 retaining FTA TV rights (note no deal yet on SL FTA rights).
> 5. OV and Foxtel sharing PAY rights - probably both carriers showing
> "prominent" games, OV having the rest, and Foxtel having the
> Australian/European playoffs.

 
 
 

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:00:00

:  
: > I agree.

: Good for you! :)

: > Without John Quayle and Ken Arthurson the game would still be in the
: > doldrums of the early eighties.
: >
: > Instead, we have the Greatest Game of All.

: HAD the Greatest Game of All...it was ripped apart by both sides.

We still have it Chris, but we also have the greatest set of ***ers as
administrators.

 
 
 

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Post by Brett Abrah » Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Absolutely.  I didn't mean to suggest I didn't think the game was the
>best. And looking at the quality of the draw, the referees uniforms, the
>club jerseys (with a couple of exceptions) and everything else, I think
>Super League will be the ones to take it to new heights as they've
>promised!

Yes changing a referees uniform is most certainly going to take the game to
new heights ;-)  By the quality of the draw I'm assuming that you mean the
mid year interclub challenge.  IMO this has an ugly monster lurking within
with this idea of points scored in the challenge also counting as points in
the domestic comp.  Just wait to see a team miss out on the finals by 2
points even though they won more games than the team ahead of them
in the domestic comp but failed to win as many in the international challenge
because they were in the tougher draw.  Controversy waiting to happen.
 
 
 

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Post by Chris Co » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> We still have it Chris, but we also have the greatest set of ***ers as
> administrators.

Absolutely.  I didn't mean to suggest I didn't think the game was the
best. And looking at the quality of the draw, the referees uniforms, the
club jerseys (with a couple of exceptions) and everything else, I think
Super League will be the ones to take it to new heights as they've
promised!

Chris

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Post by Peter McNall » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

<snip>

> Talking to the two referees present at the Broncos launch yesterday,
> they brought up an interesting point about the uniforms.  They said
> (Brian Green I think his name was) that if they showed the game
> internationally, the referee would be instantly recogniseable because
> black and white is generally what they wear.  If Super League is going
> to try to bring the game to the world, then this has to help.  At least
> they know who the decision maker is!

I posted this previously and got zero response - I'll try again!

Can anyone post a complete list of ARL "first grade" referees who signed
with Super League - and WHEN they signed. I am particularly interested to
know if there were any recent defections.

Thanks in advance,

Peter.

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Co » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> >Absolutely.  I didn't mean to suggest I didn't think the game was the
> >best. And looking at the quality of the draw, the referees uniforms, the
> >club jerseys (with a couple of exceptions) and everything else, I think
> >Super League will be the ones to take it to new heights as they've
> >promised!

> Yes changing a referees uniform is most certainly going to take the game to
> new heights ;-)  By the quality of the draw I'm assuming that you mean the
> mid year interclub challenge.  IMO this has an ugly monster lurking within
> with this idea of points scored in the challenge also counting as points in
> the domestic comp.  Just wait to see a team miss out on the finals by 2
> points even though they won more games than the team ahead of them
> in the domestic comp but failed to win as many in the international challenge
> because they were in the tougher draw.  Controversy waiting to happen.

Talking to the two referees present at the Broncos launch yesterday,
they brought up an interesting point about the uniforms.  They said
(Brian Green I think his name was) that if they showed the game
internationally, the referee would be instantly recogniseable because
black and white is generally what they wear.  If Super League is going
to try to bring the game to the world, then this has to help.  At least
they know who the decision maker is!

As for the draw, I don't think that'll be a major problem.  Looking at
the two pools, the teams in it are fairly even.  Honestly, I doubt it'll
be a big deal.  I don't particularly mind the Tri-Series either.  State
of Origin is something special, sure, but it'll still be good IMO.  Only
problem is if Queensland don't make the final, we won't see them in
Brisbane! :(

Only one thing could really be improved on the draw.  The venues for the
finals being allocated on table position etc (as Leigh discussed earlier
this year).  Having them spread is good, but having them based on
performance during the season is even better.

As for the quality of the teams, I'd say the only real easy beats will
be Penrith, especially if that court case doesn't allow the eight
players to play for SL.  It's hard to say how Adelaide and Hunter will
do.  They have good players, how they work together is the question.
Same with North Queensland and Canterbury.  I'm really looking forward
to seeing how it turns out.  And the chance of having more than 42000 at
a Grand Final either at ANZ or SCG is going to be great.  Here's hoping
it's at ANZ! :)

See ya
Chris

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Post by Leigh Gillespi » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Yes changing a referees uniform is most certainly going to take the game to
> new heights ;-)  By the quality of the draw I'm assuming that you mean the
> mid year interclub challenge.  IMO this has an ugly monster lurking within
> with this idea of points scored in the challenge also counting as points in
> the domestic comp.  Just wait to see a team miss out on the finals by 2
> points even though they won more games than the team ahead of them
> in the domestic comp but failed to win as many in the international challenge
> because they were in the tougher draw.  Controversy waiting to happen.

        But is that the way it's going to work? I'm hearing conflicting
reports. According the Chris Russell's post on the matter that was the
original plan but now the domestic premiership and the world club
champiomship are essentially separate comps (like the old Panasonic Cup
was played concurrently with the premiership but had no direct bearing on
it). If this is the case then well and good but I do agree with you on the
above case you cite (although if one looks at the NFL we see this senario
all over the place with teams playing sides from outside their own
division and even from outside their own conference - I still don't like
it but it seems to work as we don't hear too many complaints from over
there)
        As for the referees uniforms they may not take the game to new
heights but they certainly can't do the game any harm. The ARL aqua blue
outfits looked ***y awful, especially on our less shapely whistle
blowers. The referees aren't suppose to look like clowns (ie. bungling
idiots) even if they are in reality (you'll recall I raised this matter
earlier in the year before SL announced their refs uniform).

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by wiganrl.. » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
Abraham) writes:
>By the quality of the draw I'm assuming that you mean the
>mid year interclub challenge.  IMO this has an ugly monster lurking
within
>with this idea of points scored in the challenge also counting as points
in
>the domestic comp.  Just wait to see a team miss out on the finals by 2
>points even though they won more games than the team ahead of them
>in the domestic comp but failed to win as many in the international
challenge
>because they were in the tougher draw.  Controversy waiting to happen.

No its not oing to be like that now,  they are two seperate comps.

Dave

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Post by Paul Conde » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
> As for the draw, I don't think that'll be a major problem.  Looking at
> the two pools, the teams in it are fairly even.  Honestly, I doubt it'll
> be a big deal.  I don't particularly mind the Tri-Series either.  State
> of Origin is something special, sure, but it'll still be good IMO.  Only
> problem is if Queensland don't make the final, we won't see them in
> Brisbane! :(

> See ya
> Chris

EDITED

The problems with the superleague draw are:
1. There are two big interruptions after the half way stage (ie as everyone
is winding up for the finals series).  These follow rounds 12 & 15.  This
is despite superleague having problems with interruptions by representative
games in the ARL draws of the past.  Imagine what Wayne Bennett will say if
his beloved Langer gets injured during the World Club Championship and
Brisbane fail to make the Grand Final.

2.  The players are now being asked to play up to 39 games (plus
international tour games) per season as opposed to a maximum of 26 in the
old draws (plus international tour games)

The solution to the draw interruptions would be to have the club
championship after the local competitions (or before like the Super 12).

Paul Conder

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Post by Brett Abrah » Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>> Yes changing a referees uniform is most certainly going to take the game to
>> new heights ;-)  By the quality of the draw I'm assuming that you mean the
>> mid year interclub challenge.  IMO this has an ugly monster lurking within
>> with this idea of points scored in the challenge also counting as points in
>> the domestic comp.  Just wait to see a team miss out on the finals by 2
>> points even though they won more games than the team ahead of them
>> in the domestic comp but failed to win as many in the international challenge
>> because they were in the tougher draw.  Controversy waiting to happen.

>        But is that the way it's going to work? I'm hearing conflicting
>reports. According the Chris Russell's post on the matter that was the
>original plan but now the domestic premiership and the world club
>champiomship are essentially separate comps (like the old Panasonic Cup
>was played concurrently with the premiership but had no direct bearing on
>it).

I hope that is the case as the original plan of gaining domestic points for
international games is fairly poor judgement.

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