Telstra Cup - Semi Finals Results

Telstra Cup - Semi Finals Results

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Tue, 09 Sep 1997 04:00:00


        My apologies for not posting the under-19s and reserve grade
scores from last weekend. I ended up on the operating theatre table mid
way through the week, so I've been out of touch with things for a few
days. This week I've got both the reserve grade scores this week, but I'm
still finding it hard to come by the under 19s. If no one else posts them
I'll see what I can find on Wednesday or Thursday.

* Saturday, September 6th 1997

   BRISBANE 34 def CRONULLA 2 at Stockland Stadium, Townsville
         Brisbane: Tries - Renouf 2, Devere, Sailor, Walters, Thorn
                   Goals - Lockyer 5
         Cronulla: Goals - Rogers
         Referee: B Harrigan
         Attendance: 26,256

        It was all a bit of an anti climax in the end wasn't it? Serves me
right I suppose. I was really looking forward to this game and had moved
heaven and earth to actually get there after the doctors tried to kill me.
Then it was all over after about twenty five minutes. All credit to
Brisbane, they were white hot and are looking in great form with just the
big one to go. Cronulla looked fairly ordinary on all fronts in the first
half and only a spirited defensive effort in the second half prevented an
absolute disgrace. But their go forward was non exitant all game and their
fifth tackle options were consistantly rushed and poorly executed. Sounds
all too familiar. I can't help but feel it was just more of what I've been
seeing all season at Stockland Stadium.

   Reserve Grade - CANTERBURY 27 def NORTH QUEENSLAND 14

        Just to top off a disappointing night.

* Monday, September 8th 1997

   CANBERRA 32 def PENRITH 12 at Bruce Stadium, Canberra
         Canberra: Tries - Nagas, Fulivai, Priddis,
                           Woolford, Daley
                   Goals - Daley 6
         Penrith: Tries - Carter, Beckett
                  Goals - Girdler 2
         Referee: G Annesley
         Attendance: 10,153

        I don't go in for criticsing refs too much but didn't Annesley
have an off night? Quite a few critical decisions appeared to go the wrong
way and while they probably all evened out in the end you'd rather they
went the right way in the first place. Apart from that not too much of
note out of the game. Canberra weren't exactly impressive in winning. They
didn't seem to do any more than they had to but I'm left with the question
of exactly how much more they can step up. I fear they haven't got too
many more gears left which doesn't bode well if they come up against the
Broncos at ANZ in two weeks. Finally, a very disappointing crowd. First
semi final in Canberra ever, an apparently mild and dry night yet the
hills were largely bare. Meanwhile earlier in the year the Brumbies were
looking to threatening the record at the same venue for their Super 12
semi against Wellington. Sad times for the great game.

   Reserve Grade - AUCKLAND 18 def PERTH 14

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by Richard Edli » Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>         My apologies for not posting the under-19s and reserve grade
> scores from last weekend. I ended up on the operating theatre table mid
> way through the week, so I've been out of touch with things for a few
> days.

I hope everything's OK.

Quote:
>    Reserve Grade - CANTERBURY 27 def NORTH QUEENSLAND 14
>         Just to top off a disappointing night.

Just imagine how disappointed you'll be when NQ gets knocked out next
week!

Quote:

> * Monday, September 8th 1997
>    Reserve Grade - AUCKLAND 18 def PERTH 14

1 grade in the grand final, 1 grade in the preliminary grand final - if
the Warriors firsts could have made the finals it would have been a good
year.

Richard

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Post by Greg Pankhur » Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:00:00


:>
:>         My apologies for not posting the under-19s and reserve grade
:> scores from last weekend. I ended up on the operating theatre table mid
:> way through the week, so I've been out of touch with things for a few
:> days.
:
:I hope everything's OK.
:
:>    Reserve Grade - CANTERBURY 27 def NORTH QUEENSLAND 14
:>         Just to top off a disappointing night.
:
:Just imagine how disappointed you'll be when NQ gets knocked out next
:week!

bzzzzzzttttt....wrong.  NQ reserves for the premiership my friend :-)

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Post by Leigh Gillespi » Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>>         My apologies for not posting the under-19s and reserve grade
>> scores from last weekend. I ended up on the operating theatre table mid
>> way through the week, so I've been out of touch with things for a few
>> days.

> I hope everything's OK.

        I've got a hole in my gut that I didn't want and I'm feeling a bit
sore and sorry for myself but generally I'm headed in the right direction.
They're not gonna kill me that easily. :-)

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by Steve Morri » Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:00:00

In article <Pine.OSF.3.93.970909131538.25786A-

Quote:


>>>         My apologies for not posting the under-19s and reserve grade
>>> scores from last weekend. I ended up on the operating theatre table mid
>>> way through the week, so I've been out of touch with things for a few
>>> days.

>> I hope everything's OK.

>       I've got a hole in my gut that I didn't want and I'm feeling a bit
>sore and sorry for myself but generally I'm headed in the right direction.
>They're not gonna kill me that easily. :-)

This raises more questions than it answers??

What happend
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Post by Michael Burk » Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>* Monday, September 8th 1997

>   CANBERRA 32 def PENRITH 12 at Bruce Stadium, Canberra
>         Canberra: Tries - Nagas, Fulivai, Priddis,
>                           Woolford, Daley
>                   Goals - Daley 6
>         Penrith: Tries - Carter, Beckett
>                  Goals - Girdler 2
>         Referee: G Annesley
>         Attendance: 10,153

>    I don't go in for criticsing refs too much but didn't Annesley
>have an off night? Quite a few critical decisions appeared to go the wrong
>way and while they probably all evened out in the end you'd rather they
>went the right way in the first place. Apart from that not too much of
>note out of the game. Canberra weren't exactly impressive in winning. They
>didn't seem to do any more than they had to but I'm left with the question
>of exactly how much more they can step up. I fear they haven't got too
>many more gears left which doesn't bode well if they come up against the
>Broncos at ANZ in two weeks. Finally, a very disappointing crowd. First
>semi final in Canberra ever, an apparently mild and dry night yet the
>hills were largely bare. Meanwhile earlier in the year the Brumbies were
>looking to threatening the record at the same venue for their Super 12
>semi against Wellington. Sad times for the great game.

Allow me to put this into some sort of local perspective.  It actually
wasn't the 'mild and dry night' it may have appeared on TV to have
been.  Right about the time people might have been debating whether to
go or stay home, there was a big build up of cloud which in the end
only delivered just enough drizzle to make the ball slippery but
which, earlier on, promised a deluge.  It wasn't freezing cold but
with the drizzle and the wind chill factor it wasn't a pleasant night
either.  Secondly, Monday night games suck hugely in the crowds
department.  People have to go to work the next day, even here.  :-)
Thirdly, Penrith are not precisely (:-)) a hugely popular drawcard
these days (if they ever were).

As for the game, it was good enough to keep me in my seat until
full-time.  Losing Dave Furner in the first minute was a huge blow,
and it must have thrown their game plan into chaos given his reliable
contributions in both attack and defence.  What with him, Kennedy,
Wiki and Westley all gone for the season, the depth is all but gone,
particularly in the forwards, so I don't expect to see them beat
Cronulla next week even if the Sharks are without ET.

I think this game probably demonstrated more than most just how out of
touch with reality the journos supposedly watching the matches can be.
Luke Priddis won the TV man of the match award after a top game. Yet
Priddis was only one of six forwards who all played extremely well.
However, Laurie Daley's performance on the night was simply
inspirational.  He had a blinder.  He was everywhere in attack and
defence, saved a certain try almost singlehandedly, scored a solo try
and kicked 6 out of 8 from everywhere on the park as an emergency
fill-in kicker.  Everyone around me reckoned he was a lay down misere
for MOTM.  Is it a MOTM award or an encouragement award?  Or, as I
prefer to believe, are sports journos really every bit as stupid as
they usually seem to be?  

It was a frustrating game to watch.  Nagas had a shocker, IMHO.  I
just don't think he uses his noggin much sometimes.  He tries to force
passes in impossible situations and often seems to be out of position
in defence, and his PTB technique invites a penalty or a knock-on
(from himself or his dummy half) every time.  I think he's better on
the wing and that Mullins is largely wasted out there, although he
(Mullins) had a great game generally and his try-saving tackle on
Jorgensen was a gem.  Annesley really blew it when he disallowed his
try.

Penrith seemed to me to be disorganised.  They had a few injuries
during the game too, including one on Gower, so that didn't help, but
it often seems to me that if Carter and Girdler can be contained, they
just go nowhere.  Nevertheless, they held the Raiders until the last
ten minutes with some determined defence, although I don't think they
were ever going to win it.

Annesley took a long time to wake up to Penrith's spoiling tactics
around the play-the-ball.  I think it wasn't until the third
consecutive deliberate interference that he got around to penalising
them, but they had obviously been practising the ploy all week if not
all year.  They are still a long way behind Manly in the cheating
department, but are obviously keen students.  

Whatever, this must be one of SL's greatest failures - having promised
to clean up the PTBs, and having done so well at the start of the
year, they have reverted to the same old shite that we were all
complaining about the ARL having ignored for so long.  Thus is the
power of the knuckle-draggers perpetuated.  By caving in to those
calling for the PTB to be slowed down to allow the defence to
reorganise have effectively destroyed all hope of us ever again seeing
really attractive football.  So what will we get? Four up, one across,
and a Hail Mary kick.  Same old boring defensive ***that the ARL has
been carefully fostering all these live-long years because it's really
the only way we can consistently beat the Poms.

And even the best SL referees have been no better than they were when
they were running around in TNT jumpers, despite SL promises to
eliminate the perceived refereeing problems (which were, in any case,
more the result of booze and bias among the assembled multitudes than
any real deficiencies in the referees' actual performances,
particularly over time).  The video referee is downright boring to
those of us at the field and, in my opinion, it is no better than the
in-goal touchies in resolving controversy, and they're useless.  I
like the big screen though, provided they don't run shots of***heads
in the crowd cavorting for the cameras just as you need to watch
something on the field in close up.  Good idea, poor implementation.

Now I've started, I might as well keep going.

Unlike some others, I have generally refrained from commenting on
whether SL had met, exceeded, or fallen short of its stated aims until
we had actually seen the "product", ie a full season of football.
However, I think it's fair to say that they have generally fallen well
short of the hype in virtually every department.  I think it's equally
fair to say that even in those areas where they had a virtual
"mandate" to set new standards, eg in the judiciary and in refereeing,
they have not only fallen short, but also they deliberately seem to
have bowed to LCD pressure (the knuckle-dragger vote) and stepped back
from high standards attained early in the season.

That is not to say that I think that the SL competition is of a lower
standard than the ARL product this year.  It's demonstrably not.  But
it is certainly not any better, either.  The top four or five teams in
both comps would give each other a hard time, but Manly and Brisbane
are the obvious standouts.  I think Cronulla and Canberra (all fit and
playing to their potential) would match and probably shade both Easts
and Norths, but Parramatta and Newcastle would probably beat
Canterbury and Penrith and any of the lower-rated SL teams.  The rest
in both Leagues are there to make up the numbers and are virtually
interchangeable although some, of course, do it better than others on
any given day, and most are capable of upsetting even the best from
time to time.

Despite the beliefs of those in here who are single-code fanatics,
Rugby League has nothing but individual preference going for it in the
football marketplace.  It is _not_, ipso facto, a better game than any
of the others.  It doesn't have any a wider appeal.  Indeed, all the
evidence suggests that in bums-on-seats and in participation at the
grass roots it falls a long way behind other codes wherever these
exist, except in NSW and Queensland and, perhaps, in PNG.  So while
those who argue that Rugby League is "my game" may well be speaking
the truth as they know it, by the few objective standards that these
things can be measured, it is a long way from being "the greatest game
of all" except, perhaps, in the dreams of the simple-minded.

Unfortunately, apart from its success in seriously wounding the
Phillip Street mafia, and if it achieves nothing else that alone will
have justified the experiment, and in jolting Sydney out of its
self-satisfied torpor, on balance, SL has failed to achieve its stated
aim of taking the game to new heights here or anywhere else.  People
will never agree about where the ultimate blame lies, so there is no
point in arguing about it any more.

What a pity!  :-)

Let's just work for compromise and hope that what comes out of the
process will fix the worst of the long-standing problems.  

However, I really do think that no lasting "cure" will be achieved
unless the Government steps into the judiciary process at least.  It's
clear that neither the ARL nor the SL has the will or the means of
cleaning up the cheats.  Spear tackles are still happening nearly
every week with risible penalties, if any, being imposed on the
offenders.  Deliberate high tackles are still occurring far too often
with only the no-names being awarded significant suspensions.  Perhaps
if the Government were to appoint the Judiciary (one common Judiciary
for both Leagues) and were to determine a scale of punishments to suit
the "crimes",  we might see the clubs taking seriously the rules
designed to protect the well-being of their most valuable resource -
their players.

Mike
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Post by Brett Teagu » Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Michael Burke wrote.

Quote:
> Allow me to put this into some sort of local perspective.  

[ Snip,a gem of a post ]

I thought you had been a bit quiet lately. But you have obviously
been busy.

Are you bringing this post out in paperback or hardcover.

Regards...Brett.

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Burk » Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>I thought you had been a bit quiet lately. But you have obviously
>been busy.

I wish!  Our feed is playing up and we seem to be getting only some of
the posts in asr-l.  

Quote:
>Are you bringing this post out in paperback or hardcover.

Three-part series.  :-)

Mike
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Post by Richard Edli » Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Are you bringing this post out in paperback or hardcover.

> Three-part series.  :-)

What, another tri-series?

Richard

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Post by Jeffrey Harri » Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> > >Are you bringing this post out in paperback or hardcover.

> > Three-part series.  :-)

> What, another tri-series?

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Post by Michael Burk » Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>> >Are you bringing this post out in paperback or hardcover.

>> Three-part series.  :-)

>What, another tri-series?

Oh, dear!  :-)

Mike
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