Enough is enough (stop complaining and do soemthing)

Enough is enough (stop complaining and do soemthing)

Post by Steve Morri » Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:00:00


I complained to the ET about the lack of RL info below is their reply.

"Steve, thanks for the email, you are right, the amount of copy we post
on
Rugby Union is far greater than with Rugby League, I am afraid that is
because we get our copy from the sports dept of The Daily Telegraph and
as
you probably know they have always been pro Union.

This may change as Union becomes more popular with the Super League's
increasing crowds and interest from the media"

I am confident between us we can put a little pressure on the Telegraph
between us, is anyone prepared to write to the Telegraph or email the ET
over the coming weeks to apply a little pressure?

Email me if you are worried about signing up to this consumer advocacy
programme in public.

If you don't sign up don't ever complain about RL exposure in the media
again.

Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by Fred1 » Sun, 16 Mar 1997 04:00:00

I wrote to the sports editor of the Guardian with much the same intention
several months ago, and he wrote back saying, in effect, f-off.  

Since then, RL coverage in The Guardian has diminshed even further. (This
week, TWO different columnists (Jim White and the sport TV critic) even
managed to repeat one another about the same old ***about abandoning
principles, Murdoch, stupid nicknames, etc.  Great editor, eh?)

Will blanket post or e-mail work?  I doubt it.

Cheers,
Fred

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>I wrote to the sports editor of the Guardian with much the same intention
>several months ago, and he wrote back saying, in effect, f-off.  

>Since then, RL coverage in The Guardian has diminshed even further. (This
>week, TWO different columnists (Jim White and the sport TV critic) even
>managed to repeat one another about the same old ***about abandoning
>principles, Murdoch, stupid nicknames, etc.  Great editor, eh?)

>Will blanket post or e-mail work?  I doubt it.

>Cheers,
>Fred

Baby if you hit the right spot you can always make a difference.

Start contacting senior people at the paper, they should at least give a
reason who RL coverage is so poor.

--
Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by Fred1 » Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:00:00

  >>Start contacting senior people at the paper, they should at least give
a
 >>reason who RL coverage is so poor.

--

Quote:
>>Steve Morris

You are an optimist, I'll say that.

I'll give it a try, but I'm not holding my breath.

Fred

 
 
 

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Post by Keith Bow » Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Simple!

DON'T BUY THE PAPER! or target their biggst advertisers instead.

Then something may happen.

regards

keith - cougar fan

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwu » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Simple!

>DON'T BUY THE PAPER! or target their biggst advertisers instead.

At last - someone who realises that columnists are PAID to be
controversial.

Mugwump.

Quote:
>regards

>keith - cougar fan

    !!    |-------------------------------------------|    !!

   !!!!   |        --iNTERzONE iNcORpOrATED---        |   !!!!
  /    \  |-------------------------------------------|  /    \
 ( O||O ) |"I think it's time for you boys to share my| ( O||O )
 (  /\  ) |last taste of the true black meat - flesh  | (  /\  )
  (/##\)  |of the giant aquatic Brazilian Centipede"  |  (/##\)
 
 
 

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Post by <a.. » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>Simple!

>DON'T BUY THE PAPER! or target their biggst advertisers instead.

>Then something may happen.

>regards

>keith - cougar fan

I'd love to think this would work.  In my (very cynical) opinion all
that would happen is that they when the editor found out that RL
supporters didn't read a paper, it would sack its RL Journalist (very
few have more than one).  They would then have more space to give over
to other, less interesting sports.

Keep nagging the sports editors, then the main editor. Tell them you
WANT more RL in their paper.  Tell them you have started reading the
opposition cos it has more RL.  Ask them why you should keep reading
their paper.  If enough of us do it constructively and often enough they
will hopefully take notice eventually.
--
Andy Dawson
"There are 2 kinds of knowledge -
that which I already knew and that which I have learnt"

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwu » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



>>Simple!

>>DON'T BUY THE PAPER! or target their biggst advertisers instead.

>>Then something may happen.

>>regards

>>keith - cougar fan

>I'd love to think this would work.  In my (very cynical) opinion all
>that would happen is that they when the editor found out that RL
>supporters didn't read a paper, it would sack its RL Journalist (very
>few have more than one).  They would then have more space to give over
>to other, less interesting sports.

>Keep nagging the sports editors, then the main editor. Tell them you
>WANT more RL in their paper.  Tell them you have started reading the
>opposition cos it has more RL.  Ask them why you should keep reading
>their paper.  If enough of us do it constructively and often enough they
>will hopefully take notice eventually.

Alternatively you could always read the Scum or the Mirror and find pretty
good RL coverage.

It always amazes me as to why people read the Guardian/Mail/Express to pick
up news of RL.

I know neither of the above are literary works of art but come on - I fall
asleep reading most of the other papers.

Mugwump.

Quote:
>Andy Dawson
>"There are 2 kinds of knowledge -
>that which I already knew and that which I have learnt"

    !!    |-------------------------------------------|    !!

   !!!!   |        --iNTERzONE iNcORpOrATED---        |   !!!!
  /    \  |-------------------------------------------|  /    \
 ( O||O ) |"I think it's time for you boys to share my| ( O||O )
 (  /\  ) |last taste of the true black meat - flesh  | (  /\  )
  (/##\)  |of the giant aquatic Brazilian Centipede"  |  (/##\)
 
 
 

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Post by <a.. » Fri, 21 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>Alternatively you could always read the Scum or the Mirror and find pretty
>good RL coverage.

Not in their southern editions.  Give the Sun it's due - it does (or did
last season - I missed it on Monday) have a 4-page SL pullout, but
otherwise rarely mentions RL.  The Mirror simply does not recognise its
existence.  
Quote:
>It always amazes me as to why people read the Guardian/Mail/Express to pick
>up news of RL.

I would imagine very few people buy newspapers solely for their RL
coverage.  I subscribe to RLE and RLW for that.  However, I do expect
my paper to give RL a reasonable amount of quality coverage.  

Quote:
>I know neither of the above are literary works of art but come on - I fall
>asleep reading most of the other papers.

On the other hand, if you don't give a shit about the Spice Girls or TV
soaps there's not much in the Sun or Mirror either.  
--
Andy Dawson
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Fri, 21 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>says:



>>>Simple!

>>>DON'T BUY THE PAPER! or target their biggst advertisers instead.

>>>Then something may happen.

>>>regards

>>>keith - cougar fan

>>I'd love to think this would work.  In my (very cynical) opinion all
>>that would happen is that they when the editor found out that RL
>>supporters didn't read a paper, it would sack its RL Journalist (very
>>few have more than one).  They would then have more space to give over
>>to other, less interesting sports.

>>Keep nagging the sports editors, then the main editor. Tell them you
>>WANT more RL in their paper.  Tell them you have started reading the
>>opposition cos it has more RL.  Ask them why you should keep reading
>>their paper.  If enough of us do it constructively and often enough they
>>will hopefully take notice eventually.

>Alternatively you could always read the Scum or the Mirror and find pretty
>good RL coverage.

>It always amazes me as to why people read the Guardian/Mail/Express to pick
>up news of RL.

>I know neither of the above are literary works of art but come on - I fall
>asleep reading most of the other papers.

>Mugwump.

>>Andy Dawson
>>"There are 2 kinds of knowledge -
>>that which I already knew and that which I have learnt"

I think there is scope to improve RL coverage in all papers.
I already get the Torygraph because of the RU coverage and cryptic
crossword (easy for boneheads most days in the Telegraph) The Guardian
is a better read particularly on Saturdays and my girlfried likes the
Independent to take the Current Bun and/or Mirror will make me take
daily rathr than weekly trips to the paper recycling skips.

We want better coverage but we also want more exposure for others to
see. After having sang the praises of The Independent its coverage on
Monday was diabolical, so I dropped  a one paragraph letter to the
Sports Ed

"I was told.....good RL coverage.....but I found....really poor....go
back to my usual paper"

Its this kind of effort we need to co-ordinate if three or four letters
were received by a paper within two or three days from different people
it may well nudge him/her (Eve Pollard please) in the right direction.

--
Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by <a.. » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>I know this will be terribly upsetting, but in the eyes of the world,
>we aren't very interesting. I know many more people, even amongst my
>work collegues in Wigan, who couldnt give a toss about RL.

Hardly upsetting.  Most RL fans will be only too aware of the apathy
that we are up against.  I was referring to my own personal opinion of a
number of other sports including those you name below.
Quote:
>Other sports seem to be appealing more to younger fans. Ice Hockey,
>Basketball etc. This is a culture thing. Rap artists from the States
>dont take "E" then walk out with some chic wearing a Saints jersey
>carrying a Rugby Ball....

On the other hand we are talking about a generation that pays to wear
advertising.  It's all about hype - something unfortunately RL isn't
very good at.  As fans we should keep pushing for improved media
coverage of our game.  The point I was trying to make is that if we
allow sports editors to ignore us, they will, and RL will become less
important than tiddlywinks.
--
Andy Dawson
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>>The point I was trying to make is that if we
>>allow sports editors to ignore us, they will, and RL will become less
>>important than tiddlywinks.
>>--
>>Andy Dawson

>Anyone go fishing ? Remember Bob Nudd ?
>Its like this. Fishing is the largest participant sport in the country
>by miles. Every day people fish for pleasure, and every day thousands
>of anglers fish in well organised competitions, all over the country
>(and world). The tackle costs, well, in some cases thousands of pounds
>for one item. Normal blokes own this tackle, they scrimp, save, sell
>pot etc to get the dosh

>In recent years, England have won the world championship on several
>occasions. Bobb Nudd was world champion twice. Anglers from all over
>the country voted for him at the BBC awards, it was well orchestrated.
>He won, by miles ! The beeb said it didnt count. He was sat at the
>back somewhere. Some "succesfull brit sport clone" (Henmans the next
>one, same eyes and personality as Hill, Faldo, Mansell - was that
>sheep the only one ?) won it.

>The point is clear. You can take a horse to water.....

Sorry, fishing (my brother is a decent standard match angler) is not a
spectator sport and that is the difference Who wants to pay to watch
other people fish? People want to get out and have a go at it.

Quote:

>RL will never pull football crowds, will never get regular, high
>quality national airtime, will never be THE national sport. The reason
>is, well, footy. Its more exiting for the general public. Why ? Well,
>nearly at the end and still no one knows who will win the Title, you
>can guess, a good guess too, but would you put your wages on it ?

Well first and foremost Never say Never. RL's current goals are
survival, that obtained where is a realistic goal for RL, comparisons
with first division football spring to mind.

Clubs averaging 8-15,000 fans with one or two going above this and one
or two falling short of this. How far are we from this goal, if you
dissect it its well within reach. ESL probably needs two or three more
francises in different parts of the country (Europe) and that is all.
This will create a much stronger SL and add some beef to Divisions one
and two.

The game is growing at the moment here in London our U16 won the
national title, we need to increase the number of schools and amature
clubs down here and hey presto we will get a second professional team.      

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
>At Christmas, seven clubs were in with a shout, and you couldnt really
>guess on the winner and runner up.

>They have two cup comps, and look at the finals. When did that last
>happen in RL ? Even a Salford / Leeds final wouldnt really shock ! It
>might upset me, mugwump and VGFG, but would the nation be shocked by
>it ? Would it get a little funny slot at the end of the news ?

>RL - Well one match gone and its Saints Bulls as one/ two. Or Bulls /
>Saints. Exciting ? I think so, you think so, but to Joe Public. No.
>And its probably Saints / Bulls in the cup too !
>Just as we were getting some number of top clubs, Wigan Collapse.
>Joe P says things like "yeh, but Paris and London are all ***in
>Aussies - thats not real competition". And, apologies to those
>concerned, but he is right. When do we say " Hey, Paris and London.
> No "

Bollocks, do you know what J Public says (I've been speaking to him)
"22 quid to see a shitty 1-0 to Spurs against Leeds, total cost of the
day out over fourty per person there has to be something more exciting
and better value than this!!!!"
Quote:

>What happens then. Either could forseeably win something if they keep
>going and the coaching is good. Are they going to have the quota
>reduced the following year ? What happens then ?

>Joe Public loves the Cup Final. My Scouse soccer loving pre married
>life drinking mates were made up with Last years final. Never off the
>phone. Great spectacle. Brilliant. Never came to a game, though. But
>they will be watching tommorrow, and next weekend, and the Final, and
>they will be on the phone again.

Your point being?

Quote:
>Remember, all over the country, people row every weekend, people play
>hockey every weekend, play squash every weekend etc, etc. Non are on
>the telly regularly, and if they have a newsgroup they are probably
>whinging on about their own little Eddie and Stevos.

Sorry, I have played or watched many of the popular sports. No
comparison to the product that is RL, problem is that much of RL is
trapped in a geographic and cultural time warp, where are the new fans
going to come from?  

Quote:

>Enjoy the game, hope it spreads, but dont bank on becoming the
>national sport, we already have one.

I will enjoy it, I also wish you wouldn't take your tamaizpan prior to
posting

Quote:
>Time for work....

>John Lancaster
>St Helens, UK

--
Steve Morris
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


>>I know this will be terribly upsetting, but in the eyes of the world,
>>we aren't very interesting. I know many more people, even amongst my
>>work collegues in Wigan, who couldnt give a toss about RL.

>Hardly upsetting.  Most RL fans will be only too aware of the apathy
>that we are up against.  I was referring to my own personal opinion of a
>number of other sports including those you name below.
>>Other sports seem to be appealing more to younger fans. Ice Hockey,
>>Basketball etc. This is a culture thing. Rap artists from the States
>>dont take "E" then walk out with some chic wearing a Saints jersey
>>carrying a Rugby Ball....
>On the other hand we are talking about a generation that pays to wear
>advertising.  It's all about hype - something unfortunately RL isn't
>very good at.  As fans we should keep pushing for improved media
>coverage of our game.  The point I was trying to make is that if we
>allow sports editors to ignore us, they will, and RL will become less
>important than tiddlywinks.

Yes there are several factors making sports popular, one of those things
is hype, why is US basketball so big ??? marketing and media coverage.

Look soccer is our game in the UK it is now bigger than ever here why?
several reasons amongst them marketing and hype.

Look I'm a new boy to RL but the product is excellent if the sport was
given profile relative to its entertainment value it would be close to
the top of all sports. There are other factors at work, marketing and
PR; RL must have been one of the poorest professional sports in terms        
of hyping itself up, thank god for SL because it has started to move
things forward.

--
Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by <a.. » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>>On the other hand, if you don't give a shit about the Spice Girls

>Go on, Andy, we all luv em !!

Nah mate.  Can't stand the taste of plastic.
--
Andy Dawson
 
 
 

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Post by wiganrl.. » Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>>Just as we were getting some number of top clubs, Wigan Collapse.

I am glad you used the past tense.  We "were", seemingly,  getting some more top
 clubs but alas that seems not to have happened despite them all going pro.

This year, I was expecting more clubs to be competative, but even after two rounds of SL I reckon the title is between Saints and Bulls (sob, sob) with London doing what they did last time and "helping" decide the outcome.

Wolves are crap.  Salford got a dose of SL reality at the weekend.  Wigan are
 rebuilding (no, not the ground).  Leeds aint good enough.  Sheffield are crap.
Oldham have no strength in depth.

I thought we might have a comp where the winners lost several games this season
rather than one or two.

I was also optomistic about the games v the Aussies.but I am not so sure now.

Apparently Wigan have got cash to spend but given the fact I can't see many
teams giving Saints and Bulls a hard enough time it may come too late to have any
 effect on what already seems a predictable season.

Dave  

Wigan RLFC - Simply THE Best.