Hull FC- halfwits or hoodlums ?

Hull FC- halfwits or hoodlums ?

Post by Ryan O'Neil » Mon, 02 Sep 1996 04:00:00


I've jst returned from the Keighley V Hull match.  

The halfwits from Hull caused what could have been a riot.  They started fighting on the
terraces - the game was stopped for c.15 minutes and the players had to retreat to the
dressing rooms for safety.  The Cougar supporters on the North terrace had to be moved to
the opposite side for their safety, hence leaving the animals from Hull on their own to
hurl insults and fists at themselves.

This is sad for the sport - heaven help the game if Hull ever get to Super League.  This
display should put Hull FC in the conference league, reason: Bringing the game into
disrepute.

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Ryan O'Neill

 
 
 

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Post by Paul McNall » Mon, 02 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>I've jst returned from the Keighley V Hull match.  

>The halfwits from Hull caused what could have been a riot.  They started
>fighting on the
>terraces - the game was stopped for c.15 minutes and the players had to retreat
>to the
>dressing rooms for safety.  The Cougar supporters on the North terrace had to be
>moved to
>the opposite side for their safety, hence leaving the animals from Hull on their
>own to
>hurl insults and fists at themselves.

>This is sad for the sport - heaven help the game if Hull ever get to Super
>League.  This
>display should put Hull FC in the conference league, reason: Bringing the game
>into
>disrepute.

Teletext goes on about *another* fence collapse. I'd have thought
lessons would have been learned from earlier in the season. Time to buy
some more nails for that Walton's picket fence behind the goal.

As far as Hull FC go I can't remember the last time a game of RL was
stopped for crowd trouble. Think it's probably time to RFL got involved.

Fines are pointless cos clubs are struggling, can't deduct points. maybe
it's time for a short spell behind closed doors.

Be interesting to see young Pete k's version of this *latest* event Was
it the sight of 5000 12 year olds pointing those foam hands at them and
shouting "Cougars" this time.

Should make for a fun re-run in next season's game. Ah, boyish
youthfulness. Definitely no nobs following Hull FC still.

Paul
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Hull FC- halfwits or hoodlums ?

Post by David J Willia » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>I've jst returned from the Keighley V Hull match.

... and in your haste, you write some utter crap.

You should 'count to ten' and/or consider the evidence available
before you flame people/clubs with your ill-advised comments

Quote:
>The halfwits from Hull caused what could have been a riot.

So, at least we agree that there was no riot.

Quote:
>They started fighting on the terraces...

Actually, there was a crowd surge and Keighley's crowd barriers and
wooden advertising hoardings collapsed (...again?).  Some fans were
injured and others spilled onto the pitch.  One idiot used this as
an oppoprtunity to confront (verbal abuse) the referee about the
decision he had just made.

Other idiots who, like yourself, had obviosly not seen what had
happened thought that the injuries were due to fighting and
decided to kick-off (or is it 'get into them' in Keighley?)
themselves.  Police and stewards intervened, and three people were
arrested.

Two of these were arrested for *** behaviour - and came from
Keighley.  One arrested from Hull - for criminal damage.

Quote:
>...the game was stopped for c.15 minutes and the players had to
>retreat to the dressing rooms for safety.  The Cougar supporters on
>the North terrace had to be moved to the opposite side for their
>safety..

For the safety of both sets of fans and players I believe.  The
Keighley fans around me felt agrieved at being asked to change
ends but then they were less belligerent and it was easier for them
to move.  BTW, I was at the game with friends from Keighley and I
chose to change ends too.

Quote:
>...hence leaving the animals from Hull on their own to hurl insults
>and fists at themselves.

Was there any further fighting?  Were there any further arrests?

Quote:
>This is sad for the sport - heaven help the game if Hull ever get
>to Super League.  This display should put Hull FC in the
>conference league, reason: Bringing the game into disrepute.

I do not expect objective comment from a newsgroup built around
supporters of particular teams.  But what I do hope for is some
reasoned comment about the 'game' of Rugby League and related
issues.  In your message you attempt to deflect attention from the
ground safety issues that were at the heart of yesterday's problems
and at the same time you try to insult every Hull FC supporter
regardless of their conduct.

You are clearly a very sad little chap.

Quote:
>Ryan O'Neill

Bringing spoilt little brats into disrepute...

David Williams - Kingston-upon-Hull, England



 
 
 

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Post by Ryan O'Neil » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> You are clearly a very sad little chap.

> >Ryan O'Neill

> Bringing spoilt little brats into disrepute...

These two comments have really pissed me off.  What the hell is your problem.  
Are you all simple on Hull, do you eat too much fish or something ?

And there I was thinking McNally was bad !

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Ryan O'Neill

 
 
 

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Post by Ryan O'Neil » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> >I've jst returned from the Keighley V Hull match.

> ... and in your haste, you write some utter crap.

i didn't spout half as much ***as you continue to do

Quote:

> You should 'count to ten' and/or consider the evidence available
> before you flame people/clubs with your ill-advised comments

Actually, i counted to 11.  My comments were and are supported by
 sound evidence that the Hull FC fans were fighting.  tehre's no 2 ways about it.
  I saw it with my own eyes.

Quote:

> Actually, there was a crowd surge and Keighley's crowd barriers and
> wooden advertising hoardings collapsed (...again?).  Some fans were
> injured and others spilled onto the pitch.  One idiot used this as
> an oppoprtunity to confront (verbal abuse) the referee about the
> decision he had just made.

Ok so the barriers collapseed.  there was then a 15 minute spell when there were
groups of Hull fans who were fighting in lumps on the pitch.

Quote:
> Was there any further fighting?  Were there any further arrests?

probably

Quote:
> You are clearly a very sad little chap.

not half as sad as you

Quote:
> >Ryan O'Neill

> Bringing spoilt little brats into disrepute...

Ohhh, what a clever little comment that was.

Just to add a bit more to the story.  On my way down to the match i stopped in the town centre,
there were even Hull fans there hurling abuse at old ladies.

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Ryan O'Neill

 
 
 

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Post by Pete » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00

OK folks, you been waiting for it so here goes.

Ryan, you really do talk some shit at times

Quote:
>heaven help the game if Hull ever get to Super League.

Remember that the coming of the Super League was the first season that
Hull had been out of the top division for many years.

Quote:
>Further more, it only collapsed because about 1500 Hull
>fans were scrapping !

Actually about 6 I think.  And who were they scrapping with?
Certainly not themselves.  Depending on which paper you read there
were 2 or 3 arrests.  I saw two Cougars fans being handcuffed, but
maybe they weren't being arrested, maybe it was for their own
protection.

The incident has been blown out of all proportion.  If the barrier had
not collapsed which resulted in fans falling onto the pitch (pitch
invasion?) nothing would have been heard about it.  You see worse
fights in school playgrounds.  It was nothing more than a minor
scuffle.

First, some background to the incident.
Ten minutes before the kick off the crowd  are invited onto the pitch.
I find this somewhat surprising at virtually all sports grounds in the
country spectators are not allowed onto the pitch under any
circumstances.  In fact I said to someone next to me that this can
only encourage pitch invasions.

In the first 20 minutes Keighley score 3 tries.  In scoring the second
it appeared that the try scorer had touched the flag before grounding
the ball but it was difficult to tell from where we were so no real
complaints.  In scoring the third try the final pass was clearly
forward so now the Hull fans are pretty pissed off.  Then comes the
fourth try.  As Keighley player (don't know who) comes over the line
he drops the ball which is picked up by Gary Divorty who starts off
down the field.  The referee then stops the play and calls him back.
We are all mystified by this as no Hull player had knocked on but even
so we assumed that the ref had called play back for a scrum.  As the
player came across the line the ref was directly in front of him and
just a few feet away.  He then goes across to the touch judge who is
40 yards away and could not have seen what happened.  Referee then
comes back and awards a try.  A few, and I emphasise the word few,
Hull fans then react to this and the provocation from the Keighley
fans and start a minor scuffle.  As some people try and get away from
this the barrier collapses and people spill onto the pitch.  It is not
a pitch invasion, no one goes further onto the pitch than the goal
posts.

I have mentioned the provocation from Keighley fans.  I must point out
that I do not condone what happened at all.  The people who started
the fighting are not wanted at any rugby league ground.  However, I
think the Keighley fans who were in that part of the ground should
think about what they were doing.

Ryan, I would like you to try a little experiment.  Go into a city
this weekend, any city will do - Bradford should be fairly handy for
you.  Now find yourself a large group of blokes.  Position yourself in
front of them and start giving them v-signs and shouting, "*** OFF
***ERS!".  Let me know afterwards what sort of reaction you got - if
you can connect to the Internet from your hospital bed that is.

As I said, I do not condone the fighting but there is no way I would
do this sort of thing and not expect someone to come and try and kick
the shit out of me!

Quote:
>The Cougar supporters on the North terrace had to be moved to
>the opposite side for their safety

In fact, so they didn't continue to provoke trouble.

Quote:
>hence leaving the animals from Hull on their own to
>hurl insults and fists at themselves

Actually, we were just standing, singing 'Old Faithful'  and waiting
for the game to restart.  

Ryan's posting makes it sound like a war had broken out which only a
fully equiped riot squad could have dealt with.  Frankly, I think that
this sort of posting is irresponsible.

I think it is Keighley's position in the rugby league that should be
examined, not Hull's.  The sort of questions that the RFL should be
asking are:
Why are spectators invited onto the pitch one minute and told to keep
off it the next?
After all the publicity surrounding sports ground safety in recent
years and the Taylor report, why is a ground allowed that is obviously
not fit for the purpose?
Why are there so few marshalls, and why can no one see them?  Have
they considered the high visibility coats chosen by just about every
ground in the country instead of their Ronald MacDonald sweatshirts?
What effect is the whole atmosphere at Cougar Park likely to have on
away fams?  Isn't it designed to provoke and intimidate?

Finally, back to the referee.  Why do we have in-goal touch judges.
If a player has dropped the ball crossing the line he should be in the
best position to see it, yet the referee consults an official standing
40 yards away.  IMO, if the referee can't see what has happened 3 feet
away from him he has no place on a rugby pitch.

Pete K.

 
 
 

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Post by Pete » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> i didn't spout half as much ***as you continue to do

Ryan, the difference between your note and David's was that he wrote
facts, not some hysterical rambling.

Pete K.

 
 
 

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Post by Paul McNall » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>And there I was thinking McNally was bad !

Well you're right there at least. Bad as they come....grrrrr.

Paul
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Post by Paul McNall » Tue, 03 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Actually, there was a crowd surge and Keighley's crowd barriers and
>wooden advertising hoardings collapsed (...again?).

The the real stinker is that it is *again*.....one lad ended up pretty
hurt when it collapsed on us....it's all very well blaming away fans all
the time but that end is not up to scratch. There's no point in having
that fence there if it's just nailed in.

Salford fans were blamed on this group when a surge brought it down last
time but the simple fact is if the ground isn't safe it shouldn't be
open. There certainly shouldn't be that number of people allowed to
congregate behind the posts in the condition it is. Collapsing fences
are a disgrace and contrary to the argument that they're better off
collapsing to avoid a Hillsborough like crush that is total bollocks.
There will never be 12000 people pushing you against a wire mesh fence
to that instance will never happen at an RL game.

Paul
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Post by Pete » Wed, 04 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > You are clearly a very sad little chap.

> > >Ryan O'Neill

> > Bringing spoilt little brats into disrepute...

> These two comments have really pissed me off.  What the hell is your problem.
> Are you all simple on Hull, do you eat too much fish or something ?

So Ryan, it's OK for you to lauch personal attacks on Hull supporters but
you don't like personal comments in return?

I thought Davids comments about you were perfectly valid.

I have shown a few other people, not connected in anyway with this
newsgroup, your postings.  On a couple of occasions the words "obnoxious
little ****" (not my words) have been used.

Hopefully after you've left school you may develop a little more maturity
and be able to put together a reasoned argument.

Pete K.

 
 
 

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Post by Ryan O'Neil » Wed, 04 Sep 1996 04:00:00


n16; I)

Quote:

> > > You are clearly a very sad little chap.

> > > Bringing spoilt little brats into disrepute...

> So Ryan, it's OK for you to lauch personal attacks on Hull supporters but
> you don't like personal comments in return?

> I thought Davids comments about you were perfectly valid.

> I have shown a few other people, not connected in anyway with this
> newsgroup, your postings.  On a couple of occasions the words "obnoxious
> little ****" (not my words) have been used.

> Hopefully after you've left school you may develop a little more maturity
> and be able to put together a reasoned argument.

Well Pete, I was going to compromise on some of your earlier comments about Hull FC and
accept some responsibility for my earlier postings, but after this load of personal and
unneccessary abiuse I don't think i can even extend any sort of reasonable comment in your
direction.

May I point out that while Dave earlier insulted mre in the above fashion he did e.mail me
apologising - and i've got to say that I really will respect his postings in future, it was an
honourable thing to do, especially as my comments were not personal attacks they were attcks on
a wide ranging group.  I think that there realy is no reason to launch suc  pathetic and miserable
insults at one individual for critisising your band of supporters.  I was not critisising you, now was i
critisising Dave (Which he now realises) I was critisising the yob element of Hull fans who came to
Cougar Park and made their presence felt.   I have never had any respect for ANY Hull fans after
the obnoxious way that they treated my family and my moher in particular at the Bouleverd earilier
this season - what would you think if some moron came running at YOUR mother threatening to
'***in' kick her 'ead in ' ?  However, i was given some ray of hope that your not all simple in Hull
after Dave's e.mail.  Unfortunatly my view has hit rock bottom again after your patehtic and lame
insults.

Perhaps your personality is summed up by your own admmittance that you showed a 'friend' one
of my postings  - what a sad life YOU must have if you have to go around with printouts to amuse
your asssociates.  

Your comments are by far more depraved than mine have ever been... why don't you go and get
a life pal, and while your at it grow up and insult somebody who warrants it .

Quote:
> Pete K.

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Ryan O'Neill
 
 
 

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Post by Ryan O'Neil » Wed, 04 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> So Ryan, it's OK for you to lauch personal attacks on Hull supporters but
> you don't like personal comments in return?

> I thought Davids comments about you were perfectly valid.

> I have shown a few other people, not connected in anyway with this
> newsgroup, your postings.  On a couple of occasions the words "obnoxious
> little ****" (not my words) have been used.

> Hopefully after you've left school you may develop a little more maturity
> and be able to put together a reasoned argument.

> Pete K.

--
Ryan O'Neill
 
 
 

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Post by Stev » Wed, 04 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:


>>And there I was thinking McNally was bad !

>Well you're right there at least. Bad as they come....grrrrr.

>Paul
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Can any of you boys estimate how many police were on duty at this game
and how that compares to other games? Another storm in a teacup? Is it a
smear campaign or do Hull FC have a problem. I've never been to Hull so
your comments would be aprreciated.  

--
Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Dennis Crosh » Fri, 06 Sep 1996 04:00:00

COME ON BOYS THE GROUNDS OK,IF THE PERIMITER FENCE WAS'NT MADE OF WOOD
THE PROBLEM WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE   DC.

 
 
 

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Post by Paul McNall » Sat, 07 Sep 1996 04:00:00


writes

Quote:
>COME ON BOYS THE GROUNDS OK,IF THE PERIMITER FENCE WAS'NT MADE OF WOOD
>THE PROBLEM WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE   DC.

Do you not get all the messages on here? If the fence had been made of
metal it wouldn't have collapsed and they'd have been no problem/game
stoppage and nobody would have heard anything again...

Paul
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