Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by David Mye » Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:00:00


I have now been to see two WCC matches (St Helens vs Auckland and
Warrington vs Cronulla). In both cases I have been struck by how much
smaller the Aussie/NZ teams have looked compared to the ESL teams (well I
am used to seeing the Bulls every week!). So how are they winning so
convincingly.

They play simple rugby very very well

1) Their tackling is so well organised the European teams hardly ever make
a bust. Notice how quickly they come up at each tackle as an evenly spaced
line (there is seldom more than 2 metres between the front and back of the
line)

2) In attack they always back-up runners and very rarely knock on.

3) They are very fit and very fast(I said it was simple!)

This is all down to good coaching of the basics.

So how do we beat them?

1) The starting point has to be tight defence. Unfortunately this only
comes with time so the ESL teams had better start practising!

2) In attack teams like Wigan and Bradford will have to use the power (and
weight) of players like Simon Haughton, Paul Anderson and Jon Scales to
wear down the defences and then the indivdual skills of players like Jason
Robinson, Tony Smith and Robbie Paul to create breaks.

3) Pay the Ref vast sums of money!

Teams other than Bradford and Wigan should concentrate on point 3.

Hopefully this posting will go out of date in the next few hours as Wigan
narrowly beat Canberra and the Bulls thrash the Panthers - we will see!

Anybody got any better ideas? (someone....please?)

David Myers

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Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by Henry F Franci » Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> So how do we beat them?

> 1) The starting point has to be tight defence. Unfortunately this only
> comes with time so the ESL teams had better start practising!

> 2) In attack teams like Wigan and Bradford will have to use the power (and
> weight) of players like Simon Haughton, Paul Anderson and Jon Scales to
> wear down the defences and then the indivdual skills of players like Jason
> Robinson, Tony Smith and Robbie Paul to create breaks.

> 3) Pay the Ref vast sums of money!

> Teams other than Bradford and Wigan should concentrate on point 3.

> Hopefully this posting will go out of date in the next few hours as Wigan
> narrowly beat Canberra and the Bulls thrash the Panthers - we will see!

> Anybody got any better ideas? (someone....please?)

> David Myers

Prayer.
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Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by Gary Roman » Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>snip<

re aussies >So how are they winning so

Quote:
> convincingly.

> They play simple rugby very very well

IMHO The reason the Aussies are winning so convincingly is down to one
thing "SPEED":

Speed at play the balls.
Speed at coming up in defence.

 The play the ball is further speeded up by a different interpretation than
that used by the Euro SL. A lot of the time the Aussies get away with not
even standing up properly. The Euro one on one defense looks even weaker by
the fact that the players are still trying to get back in position rather
than preparing to hit.

The Euro clubs looked totally bewildered by this vast increase in pace,
which the Aussie SL (not ARL, I gather) clubs play at week in week out. I
dont think it's just a matter of fitness or the individual players being
faster units , more a matter of getting used to the style of play.
Similarly St Helens looked bewildered by the stunning pace exhibited at
their recent mauling by Wigan.

It would be interesting to see how the ARL teams would fare against the
Aussie SL clubs. I would wager that initially the ARL teams would be unable
to cope with this vast increase in play the ball and defense speed. This is
not to say that the ARL players are inferior, but more a matter of
struggling to adapt to a different ball game (to coin a phrase).

If anyone one can come up with any better excuses for our woeful
performances in the WCC please fell free :-)

Gaz

ps Steve: do you now owe Rex Davis an apology or what?

 
 
 

Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by Mr P Halliwel » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

After watching a few games and some highlites here's my towpnneth.

1) The Aus teams do not play the ball for 3 out of every six plays.
They just roll it behind them or try to playit whilst on the ground.
Now my rule book says this is illeagal and a penalty should go to the
other team.  We need to stamp dpwn on this.  Or speed out teams plays
up by doing the same, so at least the playing field is even.

2)  The Aus tackles are far to high and too many fists go flying in
at evry other tackle.  They maul the face and stick in knees and elbows
too often.  Now I know RL is a rough game, but these tactics again are
illeagal and need to be punnished with penalties.  It may mean parts of
games are very stop start affairs.  But even the thick skulled sons
of criminal will get the message eventually.

3) Stop the Aussies interferring after the tackle and lying on.  Again
this happens all too often and either punnish them until they get the
message, or tell the euro clubs to start doing it as well.

If these three rules were enforced then the games would be much cleaner
and leave no room for argument as to who are the best teams.  I still
think the Aus sides would be better.  But only just better instead of
the *** we have had this weekend.

I think the Euro clubs will study these games hard and in the next round
they will employ different tactics and get better.  The Aus sides won't
have it so good in the next round I hope.

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Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by WiganRLf » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Speed at play the balls.
>Speed at coming up in defence.

> The play the ball is further speeded up by a different interpretation
than
>that used by the Euro SL

That's a polite way of putting it.

A few months back SL changed the rules regarding play the ball
specifically to enforce players to get up and play it correctly with the
foot.

At the time there was speculation on r.s.r.l that it was specifically done
with the aim of slowing the PTB down to give us a chance v the Aussies.  I
think the official line was to give defense a better chance to get
organised and even the balance between attack and defense.

However it seems someone forgot to tell the ASL.  

Lee Crooks, (Castleford veteran prop for the benefit of those down under)
did his nut over this after his sides loss to Perth.  I read his comments
in League express and put it down to an off day by the ref.  

Now I have seen the Wigan and Bradford games I am afraid he is correct.

Prior to the WCC I had seen comments from Aussie posters going on about
how much faster the PTB was down under.

Well it is, but its not just down fitness or skill but to the fact that
they do not execute it correctly with regard to the rule changes mentioned
above.  Simple as that.

If they chose to ignore them down under, fair enough, our clubs are
disadvantaged but there is not a lot you can do about it but why on earth
have the refs in the UK not been penalising the Aussie clubs out of the
game?

When this rule change was brought in in the UK the first few games were
characterised by numerous penalties as players adjusted to the new rule.

For the record here are Lee Crooks comments:

the match would have been closer "if they had not moved the goal posts."
"All of a sudden the rules that we had been playing in the English Super
League are changed to compensate for the Australians coming over here.
They have had a word with Greg McCallum to say this is how we play in
Australia, and that is what we should be doing here."
"The referee has let them slow down the play the ball.  They have been
playing the ball while they are getting up, and we are supposed to stand
up."
"We expected to play the same rules we have been playing all year.  I am
not saying that is why we lost, but you do expect to be playing under the
same laws, just as when we go over there."  "We expect to get a fair crack
of the whip when we play at home."  "If it had been a super league game
there would have penalties all over the place for lying on".

From the games I have seen he is not far off the mark, especially as
regards playing the ball while getting up.

Dave

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Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by Antonioni P » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> Date: 9 Jun 1997 21:25:44 GMT

> Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby.league
> Subject: Re: Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams
> Well Wigan, except for the last 14 took point one to heart one hell of a
> defence.
> Point 2 well Haughton *ONCE AGAIN* makes a mockery of his bottler tag.
> Point 3 I think Canterbury paid the vidi ref cos I watched that 2 try seven
> times now & I still say he never grounded the ball.
>   Sureley though the Brit refs have got to get to grips with the Ozie play
> the balls oops sorry the Ozie roll the ball backwards.
>  AFter watching most of the 1 round matches I have to say that Campbells
> display was the worst ( yes I know its an old arguement) but come on. The
> number of high tackles and *WHAT* sort  of tackle does taht guy do when he
> wraps his foot around the waist to start with.
> THING CAN ONLY GET BETTER

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>I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We're being out thought as

much as out fought. I'd add:

4) Concentrate. Respect posession and use the ball properly, and get into
the right defensive position.

5) Get your retaliation in first. If an aussie forward goes in high, take
their playmakers head off. Not in the spirit of the game I know, but it
seems to work in most sports (remember Gentile and Tardelli in the 1982
World Cup)

6) Don't give away stupid penalties as opposed to *** premeditated ones.
I.e it's better to get pulled up for decking someone then for being inside
the 10 or not playing the ball correctly.

7) Make sure they land on their backs in the tackle. Then they gain no
advantage from rolling the ball out.

In other words, dont just try to physically emulate the aussies, learn to
think like them.

P.J.

 
 
 

Why the Aussies are beating the ESL teams

Post by Barr » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

I think it a fallacy that ARL clubs would struggle with the pace..
From what I've seen, there is little between them, but ARL was more
passionate if anything.. I think, though, that SL is rather more level in
terms of ability from top to bottom clubs..



Quote:



> >snip<

> re aussies >So how are they winning so
> > convincingly.

> > They play simple rugby very very well

> IMHO The reason the Aussies are winning so convincingly is down to one
> thing "SPEED":

> Speed at play the balls.
> Speed at coming up in defence.

>  The play the ball is further speeded up by a different interpretation
than
> that used by the Euro SL. A lot of the time the Aussies get away with not
> even standing up properly. The Euro one on one defense looks even weaker
by
> the fact that the players are still trying to get back in position rather
> than preparing to hit.

> The Euro clubs looked totally bewildered by this vast increase in pace,
> which the Aussie SL (not ARL, I gather) clubs play at week in week out. I
> dont think it's just a matter of fitness or the individual players being
> faster units , more a matter of getting used to the style of play.
> Similarly St Helens looked bewildered by the stunning pace exhibited at
> their recent mauling by Wigan.

> It would be interesting to see how the ARL teams would fare against the
> Aussie SL clubs. I would wager that initially the ARL teams would be
unable
> to cope with this vast increase in play the ball and defense speed. This
is
> not to say that the ARL players are inferior, but more a matter of
> struggling to adapt to a different ball game (to coin a phrase).

> If anyone one can come up with any better excuses for our woeful
> performances in the WCC please fell free :-)

> Gaz

> ps Steve: do you now owe Rex Davis an apology or what?