Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Post by Jason Toole » Sun, 20 Oct 1996 04:00:00


After watching the First Test yesterday morning and then watching it
again today, I believe that Phil Larder basically had a pretty good
gameplan with the right side but he could perhaps have made a couple of
decisions or selections which would have given him more option against
the Kiwis.  Later in the documebnt, I have rated each GB player out of 10
with some comments on their performance.

Larder made a major mistake in using Senior on the bench instead of a
better defensive centre such as Mather.  The Kiwis' real strength lies
within their centres and Mather has more experience in the big game than
Senior.  Senior was at fault for both Timu tries mainly due to lack of
positional awareness.  No offence to Sheffield but Mather's experiences
at Perth, Wigan and with England last year would have made him a better
option.

Secondly, I thought Sculthorpe had a pretty good game and he is
definitely one for the future but I think starting with Joynt would be a
better idea.  Joynt is a solid forward who can take the sting out of the
Kiwi forwards early is a proven big game performer.  Sculthorpe in the
first test should have been used as the interchange off the bench to
use his ball handling skills after 30 mins rather than subjecting him to
the big hits in the early going.  He is still a little undersized and we
need to get him more involved wide rather than doing the tough work in
the middle.

I believe that the sin binning was v.harsh but the real problems occurred
just before that.  First the penalty given to Stacy Jones when he clearly
lost the ball in front of our posts cost us 2 points which helped to get
the Kiwis back in the game.  Before that they were a beaten side.  The
injury to Spruce forced Radlinski to move to Fullback and Senior to be
introduced.  For me, Radlinski had been having an outstanding game
against Timu and he was easily GB's best player.  His defensive play
these days is just brilliant and even when out of position, he is
improving day by day.  I used to always believe that Connolly at Fullback
didn't have anybody to touch him but RAds play recently means Connolly
can remain in the centres.

Rating the GB performances :

Spruce  7

Couldn't find any fault with his performance, he looked assured and his
loss to the *** bin may have been a bigger blow than the sin binning.

Hunte   6

Typical solid performance, didn't have many opportunities but always
handles the big game well.

Radlinski       9

Blotted out Timu completely and his tackle on Ridge late the game was
outstanding. Probably GBs best player.  Timu only came into the game when
he was moved to Fullback.

Powell  8

I have seen Powell many times in tests and as a defensive player, he
always plays well.  Today was no exception and he outplayed Blackmore.  
This was his best test for a long time and he is still a useful
footballer in defense.

Sullivan        7

Few opportunities, but when he had the ball he looked sharp.  I think we
will see more of him in the 2nd test.

Harris  6

A bit disappointing, he worked too much as the link and didn't commit the
defenders enough.  He needs to impose himself more on the game.  He is
different class to Ngamu his opposite number and should run rings around
him later in the series.  More confidence or more input on attack needed.

Goulding        8

Typical Bobbie.  Excellent directing the play and his line and positional
kicking was excellent.  I prefer him to commit the defender more by
running at them instead of across the field but had a big game and
outplayed Jones.

Broadbent       8

A little short of class at this level, but he played his best game for GB
with some strong running all the way through the game.  Couldn't really
be faulted.

Cunningham      7

Needs to do more damage at acting half and impact the game more.  When
the Kiwis were getting on top in the 2nd half we needed him to make tome
Jackson-like breaks to relieve some pressure off the other forwards.

O'Connor        8

Solid early showing, improved when reintroduced and continued to run
strongly.  Solid in defense also.  Can improved to fill a vital position
for GB in the future.

Betts   8

Denis' best game for a couple of years.  Ran hard and was obviouly fired
up against his teammates.  His defense was also good apart from a poor
effort to tackle Hoppe which lead to the 1st try.  Before that he put in
a five star performance and lead the younger forwards well.

Sculthorpe      7

Good start in big time football but he must be used in situations that
better suit his ball handling skills.  Undersized at the moment for the
hard graft but he played hard.  Must not lose the ball in the big
tackles.  Spilled twice early.  tackled his heart out.  May be better off
the bench at the momment but a star of the future.

Farrell 7

Solid if not spectacular by the skipper.  Needs to find the gaps wider to
use his speed.  Good tackling game and lead by example.  Couldn't fault
his tactical game in conjunction with Bobbie.

Joynt   7

Solid as ever and on both sides of the ball he is a big asset.  Great
ball for Betts try'

Senior  4

Short of experience, class and confidence at this level.  Mather is a
better bet for the other tests.  

Morley  6

V.harsh decision by Harrigan against him.  However needs to stop getting
sin binned and sent off as there was little doubt this was a killer.  
Improving as a possible test player but not ready for the real stuff yet.

Overall :

A professional performance even lacking our best players.  I think we
will win the next 2 tests and take the series.  Larder needs to continue
with the pincer defense to compact the Kiwis game and continue to turn
their attacks back inside as yesterday.  Larder also need to better
identify Kiwis strengths, e.g centres and weaknesses e.g defensively on
the wings to both kick and general attack.

Please give me your views

Jason

 
 
 

Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Post by Mugwu » Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>After watching the First Test yesterday morning and then watching it
>again today, I believe that Phil Larder basically had a pretty good
>gameplan with the right side but he could perhaps have made a couple of
>decisions or selections which would have given him more option against
>the Kiwis.  Later in the documebnt, I have rated each GB player out of 10
>with some comments on their performance.

>Larder made a major mistake in using Senior on the bench instead of a
>better defensive centre such as Mather.  The Kiwis' real strength lies
>within their centres and Mather has more experience in the big game than
>Senior.  Senior was at fault for both Timu tries mainly due to lack of
>positional awareness.  No offence to Sheffield but Mather's experiences
>at Perth, Wigan and with England last year would have made him a better
>option.

Sorry I don't agree - Larder's biggest mistake was being born.

The bloke is just not up to it, a pen pusher who knows nothing about RL,
a man in a similar vein to that Charles whatever bod who ran the British
Football coaching scheme.

Larder adopts a gameplan which is 10 years out of date, his coaching
style inhibits the natural flair of the players around him and IMO he
is taking the British RL side back into the dark ages.

What I witnessed on Friday morning was not RL, it was bullshit football.

Question - Do Saints play boring, drive it up the middle football? - No
           Do Wigan play boring, drive it up the middle football? - No
           Do Bradford play boring, drive it up the middle football? -No

SO WHY THE HELL DO BRITAIN!!!!

You have got natural flair players out there such as Farrell, Sculthorpe,
Harris, Goulding etc etc who are being turned into robots by Larder's
safety first, second, third and fourth style of play.

Under the Larder regime the game is played exclusively through the front
six with points picked up from capitalising on the opponents mistakes
rather than engineering your own opportunities. This is all well and good
when you play in Britain against teams who give away mistakes aplenty but
as everybody apart from Phil Larder knows, at international level mistakes
are few and far between.

People are making a lot of the fact that there is no Connolly/Newlove/Robinson
on this tour but IMO it would not have made that much difference either
way, I have yet to see a world beater who could do his stuff without the
ball being in his hands.

If you were to swap the GB strip for a white shirt with a red rose on the
front you could easily have been mistaken into thinking that you were
watching a rah-rah match.

At half time the game was effectively dead and buried, all GB had to do
was to keep cool and push for the try when they had an opportunity in
order to kill the game off.

What happened?

They sat back and allowed the Kiwi's to get their confidence back, granted
if Morley hadn't have been sent off they probably wouldn't have won but
was it me or did the GB boys short of fitness in the last 20 minutes?

Quote:
>Secondly, I thought Sculthorpe had a pretty good game and he is
>definitely one for the future but I think starting with Joynt would be a
>better idea.  Joynt is a solid forward who can take the sting out of the
>Kiwi forwards early is a proven big game performer.  Sculthorpe in the
>first test should have been used as the interchange off the bench to
>use his ball handling skills after 30 mins rather than subjecting him to
>the big hits in the early going.  He is still a little undersized and we
>need to get him more involved wide rather than doing the tough work in
>the middle.

Sculthorpe is a loose-forward not a second rower, unfortunately Farrell
doesn't IMO have the workrate to play second row so I guess Joynt might
be the better option, either way it won't make a*** of difference,
neither player is at his best running one out from the ruck straight into
the arms of the bulk of the NZ pack and getting his head ripped off in the
process.  

Quote:
>I believe that the sin binning was v.harsh but the real problems occurred
>just before that.  First the penalty given to Stacy Jones when he clearly
>lost the ball in front of our posts cost us 2 points which helped to get
>the Kiwis back in the game.  Before that they were a beaten side.

The penalty against Morley was correct, if you watch the replay Sullivan
rolls off Barnett when he tries to get up and play the ball, Morley rolls
off as well but then for some hair-brained reason he jumped back on him.

Whether you think the ref was harsh or not it was a professional foul and
as NZ were in an attacking position it warranted a yellow-card.

Case closed.

Quote:
>The
>injury to Spruce forced Radlinski to move to Fullback and Senior to be
>introduced.  For me, Radlinski had been having an outstanding game
>against Timu and he was easily GB's best player.  His defensive play
>these days is just brilliant and even when out of position, he is
>improving day by day.  I used to always believe that Connolly at Fullback
>didn't have anybody to touch him but RAds play recently means Connolly
>can remain in the centres.

I agree Radlinski played very well but he also suffers from Connolly syndrome,
i.e. He can't break a tackle at international level.

Quote:
>Rating the GB performances :

>Spruce  7

>Couldn't find any fault with his performance, he looked assured and his
>loss to the *** bin may have been a bigger blow than the sin binning.

Agree

Quote:
>Hunte   6

>Typical solid performance, didn't have many opportunities but always
>handles the big game well.

Didn't have many opportunites??? Your not kidding!

Quote:
>Radlinski       9

>Blotted out Timu completely and his tackle on Ridge late the game was
>outstanding. Probably GBs best player.  Timu only came into the game when
>he was moved to Fullback.
>Powell  8

>I have seen Powell many times in tests and as a defensive player, he
>always plays well.  Today was no exception and he outplayed Blackmore.  
>This was his best test for a long time and he is still a useful
>footballer in defense.

I also thought he played well.

Quote:
>Sullivan        7

>Few opportunities, but when he had the ball he looked sharp.  I think we
>will see more of him in the 2nd test.

Ditto Alan Hunte.

Quote:
>Harris  6

>A bit disappointing, he worked too much as the link and didn't commit the
>defenders enough.  He needs to impose himself more on the game.  He is
>different class to Ngamu his opposite number and should run rings around
>him later in the series.  More confidence or more input on attack needed.

He was too busy tackling those NZ big lads.

Quote:
>Goulding        8

>Typical Bobbie.  Excellent directing the play and his line and positional
>kicking was excellent.  I prefer him to commit the defender more by
>running at them instead of across the field but had a big game and
>outplayed Jones.

>Broadbent       8

>A little short of class at this level, but he played his best game for GB
>with some strong running all the way through the game.  Couldn't really
>be faulted.

Top class.

Quote:
>Cunningham      7

>Needs to do more damage at acting half and impact the game more.  When
>the Kiwis were getting on top in the 2nd half we needed him to make tome
>Jackson-like breaks to relieve some pressure off the other forwards.

Long long long long time since I saw King C run so little from dummy half.

Quote:
>O'Connor        8

>Solid early showing, improved when reintroduced and continued to run
>strongly.  Solid in defense also.  Can improved to fill a vital position
>for GB in the future.

Top class

Quote:
>Betts   8

>Denis' best game for a couple of years.  Ran hard and was obviouly fired
>up against his teammates.  His defense was also good apart from a poor
>effort to tackle Hoppe which lead to the 1st try.  Before that he put in
>a five star performance and lead the younger forwards well.
>Sculthorpe      7

>Good start in big time football but he must be used in situations that
>better suit his ball handling skills.  Undersized at the moment for the
>hard graft but he played hard.  Must not lose the ball in the big
>tackles.  Spilled twice early.  tackled his heart out.  May be better off
>the bench at the momment but a star of the future.

>Farrell 7

>Solid if not spectacular by the skipper.  Needs to find the gaps wider to
>use his speed.  Good tackling game and lead by example.  Couldn't fault
>his tactical game in conjunction with Bobbie.

>Joynt   7

>Solid as ever and on both sides of the ball he is a big asset.  Great
>ball for Betts try'

>Senior  4

>Short of experience, class and confidence at this level.  Mather is a
>better bet for the other tests.  

>Morley  6

>V.harsh decision by Harrigan against him.  However needs to stop getting
>sin binned and sent off as there was little doubt this was a killer.  
>Improving as a possible test player but not ready for the real stuff yet.

>Overall :

>A professional performance even lacking our best players.  I think we
>will win the next 2 tests and take the series.  Larder needs to continue
>with the pincer defense to compact the Kiwis game and continue to turn
>their attacks back inside as yesterday.  Larder also need to better
>identify Kiwis strengths, e.g centres and weaknesses e.g defensively on
>the wings to both kick and general attack.

Overall - a load of old manure.

Don't get me wrong I thought every player gave 100%

Larder's gameplan was executed to perfection unfortunately it is fundamentally
flawed.

Time for a new British coach I think.

Unfortunately there aren't any of course!!!!

Why not?

Because Phil Larder runs the coaching scheme :(

Quote:
>Please give me your views

You gottem.

Mugwump.

Quote:
>Jason

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Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Post by Malc Brook » Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Larder made a major mistake in using Senior on the bench instead of a
>better defensive centre such as Mather.  The Kiwis' real strength lies
>within their centres and Mather has more experience in the big game than
>Senior.  Senior was at fault for both Timu tries mainly due to lack of
>positional awareness.  No offence to Sheffield but Mather's experiences
>at Perth, Wigan and with England last year would have made him a better
>option.

I think the reason Senior was so exposed was his second-row forward
was missing, i.e. Morley was off, a harsh decision IMO, a penalty yes,
but considering the game overall not a sin-bin.

In the second half GB seemed content to sit back and defend what they
had, instead of maintaining the momentum of the first half. I think if
they had tried to play some attacking football they could have won
easily, regardless of how many players they finished with. They seemed
very negative IMO.

Regards, Malc
__________________________________________________________
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Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Post by WiganRLf » Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
(Mugwump) writes:
>The penalty against Morley was correct, if you watch the replay Sullivan
>rolls off Barnett when he tries to get up and play the ball, Morley rolls
>off as well but then for some hair-brained reason he jumped back on him.

>Whether you think the ref was harsh or not it was a professional foul and
>as NZ were in an attacking position it warranted a yellow-card.

>Case closed.

It was correct, but then again, in the context of the whole game I think
the punishment was too harsh.  It was not the first lying on offence and I
thought that these days ALL such offences were deemed prof fouls and
warranted a sin-binning.

It was cruel on GB that the only one the ref saw fit to call that way was
at such a crucial time.

As to Larder.  Get rid thats all I can say.  Oh, and from what I have
read, the national coaching scheme is ***anyway.

The team looked tired at the end, but I am just not surprised at this
given the long season and the fact NZ is last stop on the tour.

Dave

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Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Wed, 23 Oct 1996 04:00:00


: >Larder made a major mistake in using Senior on the bench instead of a
: >better defensive centre such as Mather.  The Kiwis' real strength lies
: >within their centres and Mather has more experience in the big game than
: >Senior.  Senior was at fault for both Timu tries mainly due to lack of
: >positional awareness.  No offence to Sheffield but Mather's experiences
: >at Perth, Wigan and with England last year would have made him a better
: >option.

: I think the reason Senior was so exposed was his second-row forward
: was missing, i.e. Morley was off, a harsh decision IMO, a penalty yes,
: but considering the game overall not a sin-bin.

It was a professional foul. Professional foul = sin-bin in my book.
Granted there were other laying on incidents in the game but as Muggy has
already said, Morley rolled away and then jumped back on the bloke.

: In the second half GB seemed content to sit back and defend what they
: had, instead of maintaining the momentum of the first half. I think if
: they had tried to play some attacking football they could have won
: easily, regardless of how many players they finished with. They seemed
: very negative IMO.

Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised at what they were capable of with the
players on the field. It's a shame they didn't, or were told not to,
fulfill(sp?) the promise they showed.

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Great Britain vs New Zealand 1st test Reviewed

Post by Paul McNall » Wed, 23 Oct 1996 04:00:00


net.com> writes

Quote:
>Time for a new British coach I think.

>Unfortunately there aren't any of course!!!!

I don't know about that.... I can think of one who likes open expansive
rugby and he had the odd international game too.

Paul

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