Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:00:00


        With just one round to go whole seasons are coming down to a
single match. Who will still be there come 4.00pm next Sunday? If you can
decipher my rather criptic form guide you too will know (in addition to
the man upstairs, I never could work myself out).
        Just a note, some pretty reasonable crowds this week. Nothing
spectactular but all (bar one) pretty solid. Goods signs with the game's
best adverti***t just around the corner.

* Friday, 23rd August 1996

   CANBERRA 30 def AUCKLAND 6 at Bruce Stadium, Canberra
          Canberra: Tries - Nagas 3, Westley, Nadruku
                    Goals - Furner 5
          Auckland: Tries - Blackmore
                    Goals - Ngamu
          Referee: D Manson
          Attendance: 14,428

        I think that Auckland's chances of making the finals are still
largely in their own hands. Yes two other results must go their way but
the big match is their own against the Broncos. The other two could quite
conceivably fall right but they have to do the hard stuff themsleves.

        Finals Propects: Slim, but don't be surprised.

* Saturday, 24th August 1996

   BALMAIN 26 def PARRAMATTA 14 at Parramatta Stadium
          Balmain: Tries - Brasher 2, Patterson, Hanley, Stimson
                   Goals - Brasher 3
          Parramatta: Tries - Russell, Mahon, Morgan
                      Goals - Lawler
          Referee: P McBlane
          Attendance: 13,043

        Barring some favourable results and a miracle on for and against
Parra's also gone. Looking back you gotta say that they certainly didn't
produce $9m worth of on field play. I know the excuse that they needed
time to gel was good for a few weeks but after twenty one it's started to
wear a bit thin. The arrival of Brian Smith should go part of the way but
I think what is really needed is for a few players to put their egos back
in their wallets and to stop believing their own publicity. Get back to
basics and stop acting like the stars they think they are.

        Finals Prospects: Seeya next year...

   NEWCASTLE 24 def PERTH 20 at Marathon Stadium, Newcastle
          Newcastle: Tries - Albert 2, Grogan, Johns
                     Goals - Johns 4
          Perth: Tries - Evans 2, Rodwell
                 Goals - O'Neill 4
          Referee: E Ward
          Attendance: 20,110

        Whereas Auckland's chances are partly in their own hands, for
Newcastle they'll have no one else to blame if they miss out. If they beat
Cronulla their in. If they don't then watch out for Wests or Auckland to
sneek in.

        Finals Prospese chickens yet.

* Sunday, 25th July 1996

   CANTERBURY 17 def SOUTH QUEENSLAND 16 at Belmore Sports Ground
          Canterbury: Tries - Timu 2, Mar***e
                      Goals - Halligan 2
                      Field Goal - Lamb (of course)
          South Queensland: Tries - Gaffey, Peacock, Mackay
                            Goals - Schifcofske
          Referee: S Hampstead
          Attendance: 3,500

        How different could the season have been if the Crushers had been
getting paid every week. The first time they get paid in over six months
and they almost topple the premiers at Belmore. Pretty good performance
considering all that's happened at that club in the past fortnight.
        Interesting to see despite a huge player drain/exodus and a
dreadful start to the premiership, with one round to go the Bulldogs are
just three points out of the finals. How far could Canterbury have gone
had it not been for those first eight rounds? If I was the the other clubs
I'd be seriously looking over my shoulder when the Dogs get back on track
with a few new signings.

   NORTH SYDNEY 46 def SOUTH SYDNEY 4 at North Sydney Oval
          North Sydney: Tries - Taylor 3, Fairleigh 2, Hall, Ikin, Roy
                        Goals - Taylor 7
          South Sydney: Tries - Moore
          Referee: M Oaten
          Attendance: 8,922

   NORTH QUEENSLAND 24 def ST GEORGE 20 at Kogarah Oval
          North Queensland: Tries - Gibson 2, Loomans, Johnson
                            Goals - Howarth 3
                            Field Goals - Howarth, A Dunemann
          St George: Tries - Lenihan, Brunker, Goldthorpe, Barnhill
                     Goals - Thompson, Bartrim
          Referee: R Alexander
          Attendance: 9,062

        To quote Fatty Vautin, "Ohhh yeahhh!". OK, so even I was stunned
by the first twenty minutes after which the Cowboys led 16-0. Which is
what it shouldn've been at halftime if not for a terrible miss by the ref
(or touch judge). A pass, about three metres out from the Cowboys line,
went move than a metre forward to put the Saints in under the posts and
leave the score 16-6
at halftime.
        By midway thru the second half the score was back to 16 all and I
was having visions of the South Sydney match all over again. The Cowboys
scored again and Howarth kicked one from the touch line to make it 22-16.
With the addition of a couple field goals (including one from over 40
metres out) the Cowboys looked home before Saints scored with five to go
leaving the score at 24-20.
        The last three and half minutes were absolute killers with St
George spending a good deal of it camped within the Cowboys twenty. But it
got worse, with thirty seconds to go Saints were playing the ball on the
third tackle just one metre out from the Cowboys line but the lads from
the north held on for one of their finest hours. The win means that the
Cowboys have avaoided the spoon and may even finish as high as 17th. But
more importantly that was their sixth win for the season and considering
last season at the start of this year one could not have asked for more.

        Finals Prospects: The Saints should limp in but don't expect
                          them to run the marathon.

   BRISBANE 38 def GOLD COAST 10 at ANZ Stadium, Brisbane
          Brisbane: Tries - Sailor 2, Langer, Renouf, Kerrod Walters
                    Goals - Carne 5
          Gold Coast: Tries - Grauff, Currie
                      Goals - Hurst 2
          Referee: M Hewitt
          Attendance: 25,749

   ILLAWARRA 42 def PENRITH 2 at Steelers Stadium, Wollongong
          Illawarra: Tries - Wishart 2, Mackay 2, Doherty, Cross, McGregor
                     Goals - Wishart 7
          Penrith: Goals - Girdler
          Referee: P Simpkins
          Attendance: 7,346

        Oh dear Penrith, what a difference a week and a hundred or so
kilometres makes. First place giant killers at home but four***th place
cannon fodder away (remembering the Panthers are only one place behind in
fif***th themselves). Good signs for Illawarra though with a late season
revival that hopefully will be the prelude to better things in `97.

   MANLY 42 def WESTERN SUBURBS 12 at Brookvale Oval
          Manly: Tries - Ridge 2, Moore, Hopoate, Menzies
                 Goals - Ridge 11
          Western Suburbs: Tries - Dunn, Willis
                           Goals - Leeds 2
          Referee: K Jeffes
          Attendance: 14,580

        Ditto Wests just fewer kilometres. Tommy's been a genius to get
the side to where they are but there's still plenty of work to do before
we'll see the Optus Cup heading west. If Newcastle loose to Cronulla next
week and the Magpies can overcome Illawarra (no easy tak after the above)
then we'll see Wests in there but they won't go too much further IMO.

        Finals Prospects: "They've got a 50/50 chance of livin' but there's
                          only a 10% chance of that." - The *** Gun

* Monday, 26th July 1996

   CRONULLA 18 def EASTERN SUBURBS 10 at Sydney Football Stadium
          Cronulla: Tries - Ettingshausen 2, Barnett
                    Goals - Healey 2, Green
          Eastern Suburbs: Tries - Rigon, Cleary
                           Goals - Cleary
          Referee: G West
          Attendance: 28,000 (my estimate)

        And the Roosters keep getting that sinking feeling. They'll finish
in the top four but will two chances be enough against the best of the
best? (perhaps I shouldn't use that phrase)

* Points Table - After 21 Rounds...

                   W  D  L   PF  PA Pts
 MANLY            17  -  4  501 181  34
 BRISBANE         16  -  5  569 257  32
 NORTH SYDNEY     14  2  5  560 317  30
 EASTERN SUBURBS  14  1  6  497 311  29
 CRONULLA         13  2  6  377 268  28
 CANBERRA         12  1  8  502 374  25
 ST GEORGE        12  1  8  421 344  25
 NEWCASTLE        11  1  9  416 366  23
 Western Suburbs  11  1  9  382 426  23
 Auckland         11  - 10  406 389  22
 Balmain          11  - 10  309 435  22
 Parramatta       10  1 10  388 391  21
 Canterbury       10  - 11  325 356  20
 Illawarra         8  - 13  395 432  16
 Penrith           6  1 14  339 448  13
 Perth             6  1 14  297 396  13
 North Queensland  6  - 15  266 593  12 (Thank you!)
 Gold Coast        5  1 15  351 483  11
 South Sydney      5  1 15  304 586  11
 South Queensland  4  - 17  210 460   8

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by Pete Mui » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>   BALMAIN 26 def PARRAMATTA 14 at Parramatta Stadium
>          Balmain: Tries - Brasher 2, Patterson, Hanley, Stimson
>                   Goals - Brasher 3
>          Parramatta: Tries - Russell, Mahon, Morgan
>                      Goals - Lawler
>          Referee: P McBlane
>          Attendance: 13,043

>    Barring some favourable results and a miracle on for and against
>Parra's also gone.

In the washup, all that's changed from this year to past years is that
instead of having a statistical improbable chance of making the finals
8-10 weeks out, as in previous years, we now have a statistical
improbable chance from the last round.  

BUT if auckland lose (likely) and the tigers lose (gee I hope so....also
likely) and if wests lose (the steelers had a beauty this week..but
somewhat unlikely) and if newcastle get downed by more than 20 (the
sharks are hot....but still somewhat unlikely) and if we can beat the
panthers by more than 30 (a possibility after their performance this
week) we can still scrape home.

Quote:
>Looking back you gotta say that they certainly didn't
>produce $9m worth of on field play. I know the excuse that they needed
>time to gel was good for a few weeks but after twenty one it's started to
>wear a bit thin. The arrival of Brian Smith should go part of the way but
>I think what is really needed is for a few players to put their egos back
>in their wallets and to stop believing their own publicity. Get back to
>basics and stop acting like the stars they think they are.

I think the figure is more like $5 mill. I don't know about the ego
thing either.  I'd say just about every player in the optus cup is
grossly overpaid at the present.  What sort of incidents make you believe
they're all bronco-like superstars???

I think bar canberra, parra would have the worst injury record of any
club this year with every big name player (except smith) missing 5 or
more games (a quarter of the season).  Raper, Ritson, Pay, Dymock, and
McKraken and the rep centre Woods.  This is NOT an excuse.  There's still
no reason other than poor form as to why the eels aren't there.

I'll save a more detailed post mortem until I'm sure we're out for good.

Pete.

 
 
 

Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Post by dv » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00

:
:    BRISBANE 38 def GOLD COAST 10 at ANZ Stadium, Brisbane
:           Brisbane: Tries - Sailor 2, Langer, Renouf, Kerrod Walters
:                     Goals - Carne 5
:           Gold Coast: Tries - Grauff, Currie
:                       Goals - Hurst 2
:           Referee: M Hewitt
:           Attendance: 25,749
 well umm, Sailor 2 tries = 8 points
           Langer Renouf Kerrod Walters tries = 12 points
           Carne 5 goals = 10 points
            total == 30 points????????? maybe Langer and Renouf scored 2
                                        tries each?

 
 
 

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Post by James Smi » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
dv8 writes:

> :
> :    BRISBANE 38 def GOLD COAST 10 at ANZ Stadium, Brisbane
> :           Brisbane: Tries - Sailor 2, Langer, Renouf, Kerrod Walters
> :                     Goals - Carne 5
> :           Gold Coast: Tries - Grauff, Currie
> :                       Goals - Hurst 2
> :           Referee: M Hewitt
> :           Attendance: 25,749
>  well umm, Sailor 2 tries = 8 points
>       Langer Renouf Kerrod Walters tries = 12 points
>       Carne 5 goals = 10 points
>             total == 30 points????????? maybe Langer and Renouf scored 2
>                                    tries each?

Indeed.

I though dv8 broke up years ago?

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Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Post by Dirg » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00

-> >Looking back you gotta say that they certainly didn't
-> >produce $9m worth of on field play. I know the excuse that they needed
-> >time to gel was good for a few weeks but after twenty one it's started to
-> >wear a bit thin. The arrival of Brian Smith should go part of the way but
-> >I think what is really needed is for a few players to put their egos back
-> >in their wallets and to stop believing their own publicity. Get back to
-> >basics and stop acting like the stars they think they are.

-> I think the figure is more like $5 mill. I don't know about the ego
-> thing either.  I'd say just about every player in the optus cup is
-> grossly overpaid at the present.  What sort of incidents make you believe
-> they're all bronco-like superstars???

No doubt the Broncos have egos - but they know how to put their egos
aside (mostly, look at the Souths game for a lapse!) and play football.

The profiles of Smith,***r, Ritson, Freeman and (to a lesser extent)
Dymock all rose this year, with the switch in club. I'm not saying all
these players have egos, BTW.

The sudden rise in profile may have caused some inflated egos at
Parramatta. And the players may not have learnt to handle it. In the case
of the broncos, it's hard to get an ego problem when you're playing
alongside Langer, Kevie, Kerrod, Hancock, Carne, Lazzo, Renouf (ad
nauseum). You either learn to put your ego aside or you stand out as a
bad player.

You've only got to look at Brett Mullins this year - with the other stars
gone his ego got the better of him - Nagas has pinched the #1 jumper and
Brasher's got the jump on him in the sky blue #1.

Darren, wonders if he can write off 1995 as the year Mullins ruined it
all for Canberra. Yeah, that sounds good. It's his fault we lost to
Saints, Parra etc. It's his fault Croker broke his arm, too (I don't
think Mullins played that match)..

 
 
 

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Post by Pete Mui » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>No doubt the Broncos have egos - but they know how to put their egos
>aside (mostly, look at the Souths game for a lapse!) and play football.

 In the case
>of the broncos, it's hard to get an ego problem when you're playing
>alongside Langer, Kevie, Kerrod, Hancock, Carne, Lazzo, Renouf (ad
>nauseum). You either learn to put your ego aside or you stand out as a
>bad player.

Oh man.  You've never lived in Brisbane!!!! I don't so much blame the
broncos as the media.  If I had to read/listen/watch how "great" I
was, three times a day, every day, for 7th months of the year, maybe I'd
believe it as well.

Pete.

 
 
 

Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Post by Dirg » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00

-> >No doubt the Broncos have egos - but they know how to put their egos
-> >aside (mostly, look at the Souths game for a lapse!) and play football.
-> >
->  In the case
-> >of the broncos, it's hard to get an ego problem when you're playing
-> >alongside Langer, Kevie, Kerrod, Hancock, Carne, Lazzo, Renouf (ad
-> >nauseum). You either learn to put your ego aside or you stand out as a
-> >bad player.

-> Oh man.  You've never lived in Brisbane!!!! I don't so much blame the
-> broncos as the media.  If I had to read/listen/watch how "great" I
-> was, three times a day, every day, for 7th months of the year, maybe I'd
-> believe it as well.

What I meant was the Broncos deal with the hype and get on with playing
football, for at least 80 minutes a week, anyway. Some of Parra's players
have yet to learn this skill, it seems.

I'm not saying the Broncos don't have ego problems (:

Darren.

 
 
 

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Post by GERARD M. BRAD » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> What I meant was the Broncos deal with the hype and get on with playing
> football, for at least 80 minutes a week, anyway. Some of Parra's players
> have yet to learn this skill, it seems.

> I'm not saying the Broncos don't have ego problems (:

> Darren.

Nah Bullshit mate,
        Have you ever seen the Broncos boys in a night club.... honestly
they think they own the place!
                                                Gezz
 
 
 

Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Post by Dirg » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00



-> > What I meant was the Broncos deal with the hype and get on with playing
-> > football, for at least 80 minutes a week, anyway. Some of Parra's players
-> > have yet to learn this skill, it seems.
-> >
-> > I'm not saying the Broncos don't have ego problems (:

-> Nah Bullsh*t mate,
->   Have you ever seen the Broncos boys in a night club.... honestly
-> they think they own the place!

You ever played Rugby League on a dancefloor?

Darren, sighs.

 
 
 

Optus Cup - Round 21 Results

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> -> >No doubt the Broncos have egos - but they know how to put their egos
> -> >aside (mostly, look at the Souths game for a lapse!) and play football.
> -> >
> ->  In the case
> -> >of the broncos, it's hard to get an ego problem when you're playing
> -> >alongside Langer, Kevie, Kerrod, Hancock, Carne, Lazzo, Renouf (ad
> -> >nauseum). You either learn to put your ego aside or you stand out as a
> -> >bad player.

> -> Oh man.  You've never lived in Brisbane!!!! I don't so much blame the
> -> broncos as the media.  If I had to read/listen/watch how "great" I
> -> was, three times a day, every day, for 7th months of the year, maybe I'd
> -> believe it as well.

> What I meant was the Broncos deal with the hype and get on with playing
> football, for at least 80 minutes a week, anyway. Some of Parra's players
> have yet to learn this skill, it seems.

> I'm not saying the Broncos don't have ego problems (:

> Darren.

        Just back to Parra for a mo, when I first wrote the "postmortem" I
said (implied) that their egos were getting in the way of their football.
What I meant by this was not so much that Parra didn't achieve what they
should have, after all their only just outside the finals, but more the
manner in which they achieved it. Their season as a whole never really
showed signs of a team playing well. There were glimpses of what they can
do but too often they'd turn what should've been an easy win into a lucky
escape. Other times they'd win the hard games but then turnaround and
loose to an also-ran. We all know they've got the ability, so why isn't it
showing? This is what I put down to an attitude problem (ie. egos and
wallets). It was not a criticism of their final result.

Catchya round, Leigh

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