'Super' league in Europe

'Super' league in Europe

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Fri, 01 Mar 1996 04:00:00


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> Err... someone sent this to me, so I thought I'd pass it on. It shows how
> well the vision of SL is developing in Europe without those interfering
> ARL people messing it all up:
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> Rugby League: French farce threatens to spoil Super
> League's opening night
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> Paris have only two-and-a-half months to build=20
> a side that can match 100-year-old opposition
> Owen Slot on the race against time for the debutants
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> WHEN THE music stops for rugby league today, it is Wigan who will be left
> holding all the
> prizes. Today is the last official day of the last season of the game as
> we know it - it is all change
> from here on, the Super League is upon us.
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> When it arrives in 10 weeks' time, Wigan will face new challenges and
> Paris, according to the
> fixture list at least, will be among them. But Paris are unlikely to be
> much of a challenge for any
> team in the Super League. For Paris are a shambles.
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> It was only one month ago that Paris found themselves a ground to call
> their own, more
> extraordinarily, it was only 10 days ago that Paris held trials for the
> side to fill it. So the club has
> two-and-a-half months to build from scratch a team to match opposition wh=
o
> have been at it for
> 100 years.
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> There is much more at issue in Paris than the rise and possible fall of a
> new club. The
> controversial takeover of rugby league in England by Rupert Murdoch's New=
s
> Corporation last
> year brought with it the intention to transform the game - clubs would
> merge, the game would
> expand beyond its stronghold in the north of the country, teams would for=
m
> in Cardiff and Paris,
> the word would spread. But no clubs have merged and there is no club to b=
e
> seen coming out of
> Cardiff.
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> If Paris do not succeed - if they are relegated from the 12-team top tier
> - the European Super
> League will be the Stones Bitter Premiership in all but title - same game=
,
> new name.
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> So Paris must succeed. Maurice Lindsay, chief exceutive of the Super
> League, believes they will,
> but he has considered the consquences if they do not. "It's ridiculous to
> call it a European League
> if Paris aren't in it," he said. "So if things do go wrong, I'll try my
> best to strengthen them."
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> No one knows what's going on, and we don't understand anything anyway
> because all the instructions they are giving are in French
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> What Lindsay means is that he will import players from Australia. "To
> strengthen Paris," he said,
> "I'd go anywhere in the world."
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> The indications are that he might have to. Go back 10 days, and we find
> ourselves at trials day,
> with the man in the stand saying "This is crap" turning out to be Tas
> Baitieri, the club's Australian
> chief executive. Baitieri clearly had no illusions about the knockabout o=
n
> the park in front of him.
> "This," he said, "is worse than a First Division game in England. Much wo=
rse."
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> The players taking part, 71 in all, were the best in France plus some 20
> Australians who had lived
> on the fringes of the professional game at home and were on contract with
> various French League
> clubs for the winter.
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> There were no big names involved - Cavill Heugh, the former Queensland
> State of Origin player,
> and Patrick Entat, formerly of Leeds, were the biggest - but no big-money
> signings. So why, one
> might ask, was this rabble being sorted out so very close to kick-off?
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> None of the Australians could come up with an answer. They were at the
> trials, they said,
> because they would have been suspended by their club sides without pay fo=
r
> four games if they
> had not turned up.
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> "We're really in France for a paid holiday," one insisted. Was the Paris
> Super League side not a
> good opportunity for a shot at the big time? "Maybe, but there are no
> contracts on offer. No one
> knows what's going on, and we don't understand anything anyway because al=
l
> the instructions
> they are giving are in French."
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> They then started discussing the mystery of the new club's coach. "I've
> heard it's going to be
> someone from Halifax."
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> "No, it's a Frenchie."
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> "They definitely need an English or an Australian coach."
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> "Well I've heard he's a Frenchie."
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> People keep telling me that Paris will go down. I'll have a little wager
> that they
> won't
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> "Amazing isn't it? No one even knows who the coach is."
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> The coach did turn out to be a Frenchie. Michel Mazar=8E, the former Fren=
ch
> national coach, was
> appointed two days before Christmas, and a fortnight later David Ellis,
> the former Castleford
> player who now coaches a French club side, was rung up and invited to be
> assistant coach. "It's
> going to be very difficult," said Ellis. "They've got a lot of work to do=
."
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> They have indeed, for two further problems remain. Firstly, the French
> League runs until
> mid-May, and for seven weeks the players will be playing two matches per =
week.
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> Secondly, the Super League sides they will be facing will almost all be
> full-time professional
> teams; Paris, however, will be part-time, meeting for three-day camps nea=
r
> Toulouse where most
> of the players are based (the trials were also held in Toulouse) before
> departing for their games.
> And whether it will be worth the players giving up work for these
> three-day camps is another
> matter altogether.
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> As Jacques Fouroux, the former French rugby union supremo who is chairman
> of Paris,
> explained later that day, there is =A3600 on offer for a win, =A3300 for =
a
> defeat. If a player loses his
> place in the side, there is nothing.
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> The aim for the present is merely Super League survival. Ask Fouroux wher=
e
> he wants to finish
> this year, he answers: "Eleventh". Baitieri intends to ensure this by
> recruitment. "How else are
> we going to avoid coming twelfth?" he asked. But as Ellis himself
> observed: "All the best players
> were signed up long ago."
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> "We will be looking at a couple of rugby union players," said Baitieri.
> "Jacques reckons he can
> get Abdel Benazzi." Fouroux, however, reckons it will not be until next
> year that he "gets
> Benazzi".
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> There is one argument in Paris's favour, though, that they all use.
> Lindsay, Fouroux, Baitieri and
> Ellis all make the point that Paris is going to be the French national
> side with a few added extras.
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> "That's why I'm not worried," said Lindsay. "People keep telling me that
> Paris will go down. I'll
> have a little wager that they won't."
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> Don't do it, Maurice, hang on to your cash.
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> --=20
> Keith Rand,  Sydney Australia
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=09In the same way that the Australian competition needs to expand=20
nationally to grow and compete against rival sports, so does the=20
British/European. When Super League started tossing around the phrase=20
`Best of the best' they were referring to players and this has led to=20
much debate and mocking. IMO they had the right phrase just the wrong=20
context. The `Super' leagues of both countries have to have the best=20
clubs (for the game) in the premier competitions. It doesn't matter where=
=20
the players are because they'll all end up playing for the clubs in the=20
premier comps anyway as these clubs will have the greater finances over=20
the lesser lower division clubs. So playing strength of clubs like London=
=20
and Paris in Europe and North Queensland in Australia doesn't really make=
=20
much difference cause that will fix itself in time. It is more where these=
=20
clubs are located and the markets they occupy that matters to the future=20
development and growth of Rugby League.
=09Paris is vital to Rugby League both as a potential untapped=20
market and as a base to strengthen the French national side and thus=20
international competition. The two examples of this type of=20
strengthening thru inclusion in elite comps that leap to my mind are New=20
Zealand and Fiji (and the Pacific islands in general). Having the bulk of=
=20
the New Zealand national side (and now all of it) playing in the English=20
and Australian league has brought them up to the same level as Asutralia=20
and Great Britian. Yes, they were always competitive but never quite on=20
the same level. Similarly, having islander players in the Australian=20
competition has helped these countries become competitive at an=20
international level very quickly. So by having a french side in the comp=20
will help their players improve to one day getting back to a level of=20
international competitiveness. Sure, they'll get thrashed and probably=20
finish last, but relegating them and shutting off funding support is no=20
solution. It is project that can only be undertaken on a long term=20
basis, a decade or more. With perhaps three or four experienced players=20
to guide the locals along and teach them the side may even spring a few=20
suprise victories.
=09As for Cardiff, I was under the impression that a club is=20
currently being formed for inclusion in the second division next season.=20
Whether this is the right place to start them off is debatable in my=20
opinion. Clubs in the lower divisions are always going to find it hard to=
=20
work their way up against clubs in higher divisions with greater=20
finances. As with Paris and London, the way to give them a fighting=20
chance at being a major force is to start them off in the top division=20
with at least some level of protection against immediate relegation.
=09It is in the English leagues interests to ensure that clubs like=20
Paris, London and Cardiff are a success.

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by Jason Toole » Sun, 03 Mar 1996 04:00:00

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> > "That's why I'm not worried," said Lindsay. "People keep telling me that
> > Paris will go down. I'll
> > have a little wager that they won't."

> > Don't do it, Maurice, hang on to your cash.

Leigh,

Maurice can afford to have a samll wager on Paris.  The amount of money
he must have taken to sell out RL in the UK will make him a happy man.

Basically he is the worst thing to happen to UK RL for years.  
Unbelievably bias towards Wigan to boot.  I'm surprised there wasn't an
inquest into Wigan losing to Salford.

I will be happy if he gets stiffed with SL executives.

Jason

 
 
 

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Post by Leigh Gillespi » Mon, 04 Mar 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Leigh,

> Maurice can afford to have a samll wager on Paris.  The amount of money
> he must have taken to sell out RL in the UK will make him a happy man.

> Basically he is the worst thing to happen to UK RL for years.  
> Unbelievably bias towards Wigan to boot.  I'm surprised there wasn't an
> inquest into Wigan losing to Salford.

> I will be happy if he gets stiffed with SL executives.

> Jason

        My reply had to do with the importance of expansion, specifically
the inclusion of a Paris side. Rugby League in that part of the world has
been stagnant for too many years. If Maurice Lindsay was the first person
to take the substantial action needed to change this situation then that
makes him a better administrator than many of his predecessors. I did
not seek to judge Mr Lindsay in my reply but if I must I can only
compare the revolutionary steps he is taking to the tried and tested
formula used by past administrators that got British league in such a
mess in the first place.

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by Brendan_J_Connoll » Tue, 05 Mar 1996 04:00:00

As for Cardiff, I was under the impression that a club is=20

Quote:
>currently being formed for inclusion in the second division next season.=20
>Whether this is the right place to start them off is debatable in my=20
>opinion. Clubs in the lower divisions are always going to find it hard to=
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>work their way up against clubs in higher divisions with greater=20
>finances. As with Paris and London, the way to give them a fighting=20
>chance at being a major force is to start them off in the top division=20
>with at least some level of protection against immediate relegation.
>=09It is in the English leagues interests to ensure that clubs like=20
>Paris, London and Cardiff are a success.

Leigh you may get a few replies saying this is a load of ***and all teams should
be given the same chance, the replies will proberly come from narrow minded
northerners who are in a minority.
I on the other hand agree that for the expansion of the game in Europe these clubs
must be successful, I am biased as well as I support London Broncos but would like
to see a good team in Paris and Cardiff.
As to the Paris team they now have the backing (I'm not sure if it is finacial) of
the Paris sports team Paris St. Germain (Football and Basketball) so they may be
better than some of the English sides think.

Brendan

P.S. London play Paris at The Valley, Charlton on Thursday 4th April and is being
covered by Sky live but there is nothing better than being there to sample the
atmosphere.  
--
The opinions expressed in this communication are my own,
  and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.

 
 
 

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Post by James Smi » Tue, 05 Mar 1996 04:00:00

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Leigh Gillespie writes:
> =09Paris is vital to Rugby League both as a potential untapped=20
> market and as a base to strengthen the French national side and thus=20
> international competition. The two examples of this type of=20
> strengthening thru inclusion in elite comps that leap to my mind are New=20
> Zealand and Fiji (and the Pacific islands in general). Having the bulk of=
> =20
> the New Zealand national side (and now all of it) playing in the English=20
> and Australian league has brought them up to the same level as Asutralia=20
> and Great Britian. Yes, they were always competitive but never quite on=20
> the same level.

There have been times when the New Zealand side have been superior to
both the English and Australian sides. There has been one occasion when
England cancelled a test series with Australia and invited New Zealand to
take our place. Don't mistake recent circumstances for the norm.

Jim
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Post by JLanc4 » Sat, 09 Mar 1996 04:00:00


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>Basically he is the worst thing to happen to UK RL for years.  

Tell you what, I wish we had had him at Saints ten years ago. No one has
done anything with rl
in Britain. ML turned Wigan into a great team, no not on his own, but he
put the blocks in place.

Who would you have instead ? Murphy, Fox, Bamford ? Heaven forbid.

By the way, you obviously have not been on the net for long, you'll feel a
***with that e-mail address
in three months !!

Would demon not let you have ***, then ?  ;-)))

John Lancaster,
St Helens, Merseyide, UK

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