WIGAN GROUND SHARE

WIGAN GROUND SHARE

Post by Graha » Sat, 11 Jan 1997 04:00:00


I see that a new proposal has been put to the Wigan shareholders concerning
sharing grounds with Bolton Wanderers at their new stadium in Horwich
                FOR: Excellent access less than 2 mins from M61
                         New stadium with all facilities
                         Will cost less than building our own stadia
            AGAINST:  The Wigan public will protest its not in Wigan
                          It will be against fans opinion who have allready voted to stay
at                      Central Park
                Personal Point of View Its amuch better idea than Robin Park as its half
the distance to travel. If we have to move we should share with BWFC,
although like most fans I would prefer to have Central Park re-developed.

--
Graham
(The Mighty Wigan)

 
 
 

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Post by John Hull » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> I see that a new proposal has been put to the Wigan shareholders
concerning
> sharing grounds with Bolton Wanderers at their new stadium in Horwich
>            FOR: Excellent access less than 2 mins from M61
>                     New stadium with all facilities
>                     Will cost less than building our own stadia
>        AGAINST:  The Wigan public will protest its not in Wigan
>                      It will be against fans opinion who have allready voted to
stay
> at                         Central Park
>            Personal Point of View Its amuch better idea than Robin Park as its
half
> the distance to travel. If we have to move we should share with BWFC,
> although like most fans I would prefer to have Central Park re-developed.

My apologies to the Wigan supporters' page webmaster: this information
appeared with the other two options to be presented to the EGM Sat 11th at
midday.

The other two are:
        Sell Central Park to Whelan for 4m, lease it from him, share it with the
soccer club, and Whelan will put in 7m to redevelop the ground.
        Sell Central Park to Tesco's and move in to the Robin Park development.

I'm not a Wigan fan, nor do I live in Wigan, but surely a move to a purpose
built 30,000 seater stadium next to a motorway, with 8,000 car park spaces
just has to be the way forward, assuming that the Tescos offer still stands
and Wigan can get a secure deal on the use of Horwich. Central Park could
never be brought up to the standards of the proposed stadium.

John

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwu » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>I'm not a Wigan fan, nor do I live in Wigan, but surely a move to a purpose
>built 30,000 seater stadium next to a motorway, with 8,000 car park spaces
>just has to be the way forward, assuming that the Tescos offer still stands
>and Wigan can get a secure deal on the use of Horwich. Central Park could
>never be brought up to the standards of the proposed stadium.

It might be the way forward - but not at the expense of the fans.

Mugwump.

Quote:
>John

    !!    |-------------------------------------------|    !!

   !!!!   |        --iNTERzONE iNcORpOrATED---        |   !!!!
  /    \  |-------------------------------------------|  /    \
 ( O||O ) |"I think it's time for you boys to share my| ( O||O )
 (  /\  ) |last taste of the true black meat - flesh  | (  /\  )
  (/##\)  |of the giant aquatic Brazilian Centipede"  |  (/##\)

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwu » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>I see that a new proposal has been put to the Wigan shareholders concerning
>sharing grounds with Bolton Wanderers at their new stadium in Horwich
>                FOR: Excellent access less than 2 mins from M61
>                         New stadium with all facilities
>                         Will cost less than building our own stadia
>            AGAINST:  The Wigan public will protest its not in Wigan
>                          It will be against fans opinion who have allready voted to stay
>at                      Central Park
>                Personal Point of View Its amuch better idea than Robin Park as its half
>the distance to travel. If we have to move we should share with BWFC,
>although like most fans I would prefer to have Central Park re-developed.

Re-developing Central Park would probably cost more than a new stadium,

Mugwump.

Quote:
>Graham
>(The Mighty Wigan)

    !!    |-------------------------------------------|    !!

   !!!!   |        --iNTERzONE iNcORpOrATED---        |   !!!!
  /    \  |-------------------------------------------|  /    \
 ( O||O ) |"I think it's time for you boys to share my| ( O||O )
 (  /\  ) |last taste of the true black meat - flesh  | (  /\  )
  (/##\)  |of the giant aquatic Brazilian Centipede"  |  (/##\)
 
 
 

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Post by Unswor » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00

well I'm a Widnes fan and I really feel like crying to hear that Central
Park will host soccer in the near future............

But then again the pie eaters have screwed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-)

ha!!

Ged Unsworth
Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Taking Rugby League to the WORLD

 
 
 

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Post by Unswor » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Widnes has its own ground !!!!!

ha!!! again pie-eaters!!!

:-)    or even :-P     or even :> )     which looks more like me!!!!!

Ged Unsworth
Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Taking Rugby League to the WORLD

 
 
 

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Post by John Hull » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00




Quote:

> >I'm not a Wigan fan, nor do I live in Wigan, but surely a move to a
purpose
> >built 30,000 seater stadium next to a motorway, with 8,000 car park
spaces
> >just has to be the way forward, assuming that the Tescos offer still
stands
> >and Wigan can get a secure deal on the use of Horwich. Central Park
could
> >never be brought up to the standards of the proposed stadium.

> It might be the way forward - but not at the expense of the fans.

Well if the fans won't travel 6 miles to watch their team in a brand new
stadium, this can only mean that League's crippling parochialism is alive
and well. The sport is once again defined by its stifling lack of ambition.

John

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Mark Low » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00

        LONG LIVE CENTRAL PARK!

 
 
 

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Post by greg96.. » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Widnes has its own ground !!!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but:
a) Haven't the chemics (sorry Vikings) sold their ground to the local
council?
b) Some non league soccer team are/will be sharing it with Widnes?

Greg
-------

Barrow Braves RLFC
We may be crap, but at least we own our own ground!

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen M » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00

: Well if the fans won't travel 6 miles to watch their team in a brand new
: stadium, this can only mean that League's crippling parochialism is alive
: and well. The sport is once again defined by its stifling lack of ambition.

: John

Absolutely right.  There is no way that Central Park will ever be as good
as the Bolton Wanderers ground.  

As for Wigan fans bleating about leaving the place, well think about
Huddersfield fans a few years back.  We had to leave Fartown ( which was
just as important to us as Central Park is to the Pies ) and not many
were happy about it.  Then we saw the McAlpine.  Would I ever go back?  
No chance.

Cheers

Steve

A Huddersfield fan.   We've got ( a share ) of our own ground,  and it's
the best in the country,  by a long way :)

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwu » Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:





>> >I'm not a Wigan fan, nor do I live in Wigan, but surely a move to a
>purpose
>> >built 30,000 seater stadium next to a motorway, with 8,000 car park
>spaces
>> >just has to be the way forward, assuming that the Tescos offer still
>stands
>> >and Wigan can get a secure deal on the use of Horwich. Central Park
>could
>> >never be brought up to the standards of the proposed stadium.

>> It might be the way forward - but not at the expense of the fans.

>Well if the fans won't travel 6 miles to watch their team in a brand new
>stadium, this can only mean that League's crippling parochialism is alive
>and well. The sport is once again defined by its stifling lack of ambition.

6 miles is a hell of a long way for some fans buddy, at the end of the day
it's the fans who make the sport.

If they don't want to go - why should they?

And as for parochialism - have a little faith baby have a little faith

(Special prize to anyone who knows which film that little ditty is taken from)

Despite a few snags here and there RL will do fine this coming season.

Mugwump.

Quote:
>John

    !!    |-------------------------------------------|    !!

   !!!!   |        --iNTERzONE iNcORpOrATED---        |   !!!!
  /    \  |-------------------------------------------|  /    \
 ( O||O ) |"I think it's time for you boys to share my| ( O||O )
 (  /\  ) |last taste of the true black meat - flesh  | (  /\  )
  (/##\)  |of the giant aquatic Brazilian Centipede"  |  (/##\)
 
 
 

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Post by wiganrl.. » Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Widnes has its own ground !!!!!

And has to pay to maintain it itself?

Quote:

>ha!!! again pie-eaters!!!

Ha ha. Chemics.

Dave

 
 
 

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Post by wiganrl.. » Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>> It might be the way forward - but not at the expense of the fans.

>Well if the fans won't travel 6 miles to watch their team in a brand new
>stadium, this can only mean that League's crippling parochialism is alive
>and well. The sport is once again defined by its stifling lack of

ambition.

Its nowt t' do wit criplin watcha-mac-all-it  thys on abait.

IMO, if Wigan had gone to Horwich then the gates would have gone down even
further than last season.  Many fans walk to CP from places like Hindley
and Ince and belive it or not don't have the transport to get them to
Horwich.

For me, living in Chester, it does not make a great deal of difference but
thinking how a move to Horwich would have affected the fans and the town I
guess I favour the decision to stay put, despite the attraction of a new
stadia and more cash.

CP is part of the town.  Wigan is RL mad.  If Wigan RL were not playing in
Wigan, then it just wold not be Wigan RL.  I know that sounds parochial
but if you are going to move the club to a different town (which Horwich
is) you may as well adopt the American football approach and change the
name when the franchise moves.

(BTW saw on Ceefax that two of the teams in the NFL play off semis were
Jacksonville and Carolina.  Who did they used to be?  Do their old
supporters still follow them?)

Emotions aside its obvious to me that 9 million for the ground as opposed
to 4 million is a better deal but if the fans stayed away from Horwich how
long would it remain a good deal?

IMO, the plus points about Whelans buy out are:

1. Wigan RL clears its debts.

2. Whelhan owns the ground and so has to maintain it.

Yes, Wigan RL have to give him a percentage of gate and advertising
revenue but once thats gone the income left is Wigans own.

3.  We can say sod off (hopefully) to Wasps.

Point 2 is very important I think.  All Wigan have to do to stay at CP is
pay a percentage of the receipts, not a fixed rent, which means they can
theoretically never  run up a debt to the landlord no matter what level of
attendance there is.

Not only that but they have got rid of the maintenance problem (i.e. a big
cost) as well.  (BTW, the soccer club are tenants as well also with 100
years lease so if anyone was feeling paraniod at playing at a ground owned
by Athletic you can calm down now).

The minus points are:

1.  The redeveloped ground will only hold 20,000.  There were 17,000 there
for the boxing day "clash of the A teams".  26,000 is not uncommon for
Wigan v Saints and as for the the world club championship games I reckon
you could go higher than that.

Perhaps they will switch then to old trafford or somewhere, but that
defeats the object of staying at CP, IMO.

However the plans (apparently) do allow for the capacity to be increased
for RL *if required*.  I don't know if this means temporarily removing
seats or if it requires more development of the ground after it becomes
all seater, but if you ask me the increased capacity is required now.
Anyone know what the score is on this?

An interesting aside to all this is that for this decision to have been
made at least one board member had to cast his votes with the other share
holders.  It is my understanding that the board as a whole hold a majority
of shares and so if they had all been behind the move to Horwich (or Robin
Park for that matter) then thats what would have happened.

Dave

 
 
 

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Post by John Hull » Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> think about
> Huddersfield fans a few years back.  We had to leave Fartown ( which was
> just as important to us as Central Park is to the Pies ) and not many
> were happy about it.  Then we saw the McAlpine.  Would I ever go back?  
> No chance.

Steve,

How about an offer to the Bulls to share McAlpine? I hear they're looking
for a proper stadium.

John

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew May » Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

> I'm not a Wigan fan, nor do I live in Wigan, but surely a move to a
purpose
> built 30,000 seater stadium next to a motorway, with 8,000 car park
spaces
> just has to be the way forward, assuming that the Tescos offer still
stands
> and Wigan can get a secure deal on the use of Horwich. Central Park could
> never be brought up to the standards of the proposed stadium.

> John

Moving out of the town essentially means that the club will lose its
identity. Horwich Warriors doesn't have the same ring about it. It was
plain to see that this was a bad move once League Express started saying it
was a good one ;)

Plus, Bolton have always denied that they have offered to share their
ground with Wigan.
Robinson wanted to move to Bolton 'cos:

1. They'd have got 8 million for Central Park, rather than 4 million.
2. He wouldn't have to deal with Whelan, who everyone know he doesn't get
on with
3. He wouldn't have had to put any of the money into ground development,
which they
would with the Robin Park option.

Basically, he wanted to get his grubby little hands on as much cash as
possible and basically stuff what anyone else thought.

Even if an offer from Bolton was on the table, the Robin Park option was
the second best option for the people of Wigan.

Cheers,

Andrew.