After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Mon, 13 May 1996 04:00:00


And the answer is... Brisbane vs Queensland

        For all those moaning that the Wigan/Bath clash was a farce
due to Bath's lowly comparitive standing in the Union world will have
little ground to stand on with this one. Here's a piece from the
Sunday Mail's (Brisbane paper) sunday spy column written by Peter Cameron.

        * SECRET plans are well advanced for the Brisbane Broncos to play
the rugby Reds in a charity game. Both teams are riding red-hot box
office waves of success this season.
        Shocked Broncos chairman Paul Morgan fired a quick "no comment"
when asked for details by Sunday Spy. But Spy learned that Morganhad held
discussions with rugby heavyweights, including George Pippos, to bringthe
historic project to reality in Brisbane - probably at ANZ Stadium.
        Despite the Wigan *** of the appropriately named Bath in the
first intercode match in Manchester last week, the Queensland Rugby Union
do not hold the same fears for the Reds. Unlike the Pommy rugger chaps
who could not tackle a decent steak, the rugby Reds rev on maroon-***ed
defence.
        Naturally with busy commitments for both sides the Broncos and
the Reds, there is little chance of the clash being settled until later
in the season.
        Martin Offiah led with six tries when Wigan downed Bath 82-6
under rugby league rules. It is expected to be a different scoreline
under rugby rules at Twickenham on May 25 if Bath can starve Wigan of the
pill.
        Leaks to Sunday Spy indictaed the Broncos and the Reds might slug
it out for a half of each code, rather one match rugby union and another
rugby league.

Catchya round, Leigh

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After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Rhodri Howel » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> And the answer is... Brisbane vs Queensland

>         For all those moaning that the Wigan/Bath clash was a farce
> due to Bath's lowly comparitive standing in the Union world will have
> little ground to stand on with this one. Here's a piece from the
> Sunday Mail's (Brisbane paper) sunday spy column written by Peter Cameron.

>         * SECRET plans are well advanced for the Brisbane Broncos to
> play the rugby Reds in a charity game.

I hope that they really mean charity, and not just Brisbane and
Queensland rugby clubs as a charity. IMHO the Wigan/Bath fixtures lose a
lot of meaning when you realise that it's just being done for the
coffers of the clubs. Bath in particular didn't take the League game
helf as seriously as Wigan are taking the Union game... arranging the
fixture 3 days after the Pilkington Final showed that they were money
grabbing and not really bothered about the result; given an extra 3
weeks of training RL style, with no union to worry about, they might
have actually come a lot closer.

Quote:
> Both teams are riding red-hot box office waves of success this season.
> Catchya round, Leigh

Rhodri Howell
--

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After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by David_Cove » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00


|> do not hold the same fears for the Reds. Unlike the Pommy rugger chaps
|> who could not tackle a decent steak, the rugby Reds rev on maroon-***ed

        Are these the same "Pommy rugger chaps" who beat Oz in
        the last WC?  Oh no, sorry, that doesn't count does it?

David

P.S.  No wonder Murdoch went roaming the World if this is the
standard of journalism in Oz - cultured bloke like him must have
been aching for some half-decent sports prose ;-)

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by WiganRLf » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>IMHO the Wigan/Bath fixtures lose a
>lot of meaning when you realise that it's just being done for the
>coffers of the clubs.

I know they did it for the money, but I don't see a problem.  Perhaps
thats becuase being an RL fan I don't squirm at the thought of money and
my sport being linked.

However Wigan earned nothing as a club from the sevens but picked up
20,000 pounds for donoation to schools RL development in Wigan.

Dave

Wigan RLFC - Simply the Best

Shaun Edwards for Prime Minister

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Dave Fish » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>    Despite the Wigan *** of the appropriately named Bath in the
>first intercode match in Manchester last week, the Queensland Rugby Union
>do not hold the same fears for the Reds. Unlike the Pommy rugger chaps
>who could not tackle a decent steak, the rugby Reds rev on maroon-***ed
>defence.

Leigh,
Could you just clear up what you meant by "the rugby Reds rev on
maroon-***ed defence". Does this simply mean they have Queensland State
RU reps? or that they have some experience of the real tackling code ?

Dave

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Paul Dutt » Wed, 15 May 1996 04:00:00

 Bath in particular didn't take the League game

Quote:
>helf as seriously as Wigan are taking the Union game... arranging the
>fixture 3 days after the Pilkington Final showed that they were money
>grabbing and not really bothered about the result; given an extra 3
>weeks of training RL style, with no union to worry about, they might
>have actually come a lot closer.

I am not sure about this.  It looked more like Wigan eased off after 15 mins or
so.    Bath forwards looked at sea.  I think it would take a lot longer than 3
weeks.  Maybe after 3 years when no-ones got a day job any more!
 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Thu, 16 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> >       Despite the Wigan *** of the appropriately named Bath in the
> >first intercode match in Manchester last week, the Queensland Rugby Union
> >do not hold the same fears for the Reds. Unlike the Pommy rugger chaps
> >who could not tackle a decent steak, the rugby Reds rev on maroon-***ed
> >defence.

> Leigh,
> Could you just clear up what you meant by "the rugby Reds rev on
> maroon-***ed defence". Does this simply mean they have Queensland State
> RU reps? or that they have some experience of the real tackling code ?

> Dave

        Before I get crucified by people quoting my post out of context
I'll repost the original in full. The passaged above was taken from an
article that appeared in a Brisbane (Murdoch) paper, the Sunday Mail. I
did not write it, so it is not my place to defend it.
        Here's the repost. This story has since appeared in other
publications (eg Rugby League Week). Only the introduction is mine so
don't go firing shots in my direction.

*          All those moaning that the Wigan/Bath clash was a farce
* due to Bath's lowly comparitive standing in the Union world will have
* little ground to stand on with this one. Here's a piece from the
* Sunday Mail's (Brisbane paper) sunday spy column written by Peter
* Cameron.
*
*>        * SECRET plans are well advanced for the Brisbane Broncos to
*> play the rugby Reds in a charity game. Both teams are riding red-hot
*> box office waves of success this season.
*>        Shocked Broncos chairman Paul Morgan fired a quick "no comment"
*> when asked for details by Sunday Spy. But Spy learned that Morganhad
*> held discussions with rugby heavyweights, including George Pippos, to
*> bring the historic project to reality in Brisbane - probably at ANZ
*> Stadium.
*>        Despite the Wigan *** of the appropriately named Bath in
*> the first intercode match in Manchester last week, the Queensland Rugby
*> Union do not hold the same fears for the Reds. Unlike the Pommy rugger
*> chaps who could not tackle a decent steak, the rugby Reds rev on
*> maroon-***ed defence.
*>        Naturally with busy commitments for both sides the Broncos and
*> the Reds, there is little chance of the clash being settled until later
*> in the season.
*>        Martin Offiah led with six tries when Wigan downed Bath 82-6
*> under rugby league rules. It is expected to be a different scoreline
*> under rugby rules at Twickenham on May 25 if Bath can starve Wigan of
*> the pill.
*>        Leaks to Sunday Spy indictaed the Broncos and the Reds might
*> slug it out for a half of each code, rather one match rugby union and
*> another rugby league.

Catchya round, Leigh (just the messenger)

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After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Ed Wegorzews » Thu, 16 May 1996 04:00:00

 Bath in particular didn't take the League game

Quote:
>helf as seriously as Wigan are taking the Union game... arranging the
>fixture 3 days after the Pilkington Final showed that they were money
>grabbing and not really bothered about the result;

Sorry, mate, but that's bollocks.
Wigan took off Paul and Farrell to ease up on Bath, who certainly
didn't want to get shown up, but were comprehensively shown up.
Great credit to the Bath players, who for mine, tried their damndest,
and for their intelligent attitude and assessment of their
annihilation.

Quote:
> given an extra 3
>weeks of training RL style, with no union to worry about, they might
>have actually come a lot closer.

Never. Wigan said they'd have scored 150 if they had been on a bonus
to do so, and I am certain that's true.  They eased up visibly to all.
It's facile to say Bath would get better with practice.  Of course
they would, but not so much as would make any material difference,
given that Wigan gave them an easy ride.

It seems to be accepted by everyone that the only way Bath may win, or
get a respectable result, under Union rules, is if instead of making
any attempt to play rugby, they try to play 10 man keepball and let
the ref give them the advantage of the ludicrous penalties system that
has turned RU internationals into place kicking and hoofing contests.
They know, and so do you, that once the rugby team gets the rugby ball
in their hands, Bath are powerless to do owt but admire.

Sure they did it for the money.  Makes no difference to the facts.
Robbie Paul for King !   Long Live the Bradford Bulls !

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Paul Dutt » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>Never. Wigan said they'd have scored 150 if they had been on a bonus
>to do so, and I am certain that's true.  They eased up visibly to all.

Undoubtedly true.

Quote:
>It seems to be accepted by everyone that the only way Bath may win, or
>get a respectable result, under Union rules, is if instead of making
>any attempt to play rugby, they try to play 10 man keepball and let
>the ref give them the advantage of the ludicrous penalties system that
>has turned RU internationals into place kicking and hoofing contests.
>They know, and so do you, that once the rugby team gets the rugby ball
>in their hands, Bath are powerless to do owt but admire.

Rhubarb. Lets see Wigan win ruck, maul, scrum and lineout ball.  They won't,
not even on their own put in.  They're in for just as big a stuffing at Union as
they handed out at League.
 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Alan Luchett » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Great credit to the Bath players, who for mine, tried their damndest,
>and for their intelligent attitude and assessment of their
>annihilation.

The most interesting thing about BvW at league was what union could teach
league about league.  There were 2 things-
1 Bath's 5th tackle kick & chase was superb due to Catt's
stratospheric kicking - unrivalled in league, anywhere.
2 Bath attacked best when they started off-loading securely in 2-man maul
style - Redman prominent.

The return match will be most interesting for what league can teach union
about union.
- -
alan
 L
\-/

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by John Dun » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> The most interesting thing about BvW at league was what union could teach
> league about league.  There were 2 things-
> 1 Bath's 5th tackle kick & chase was superb due to Catt's
> stratospheric kicking - unrivalled in league, anywhere.

Wrong.
Bobby Goulding's cm perfect crossfield kicks to wingers and his
"stratospheric kicking" are at least the equal of Catt's efforts in the
WvB match (ask any Bradford speccie). Very few RL kickers fail to find
touch from penalties unlike Catt who gave posession to Wigan on several
occasions.

Quote:
> 2 Bath attacked best when they started off-loading securely in 2-man maul
> style - Redman prominent.

RL is full of props who are experts in offloading during tackles. This
skill is coached at junior level and can be seen at all levels from NW
Counties to Superleague.

Quote:
> The return match will be most interesting for what league can teach union
> about union.

Agreed. Although we have seen this already in the Middlesex Sevens and
hopefully we might get a bit more of the same in the BvW fixture.
Quote:
> alan
>  L
> \-/JD

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Martin Gre » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
Wegorzewski) writes:

> > given an extra 3
> >weeks of training RL style, with no union to worry about, they might
> >have actually come a lot closer.

> Never. Wigan said they'd have scored 150 if they had been on a bonus
> to do so,

I think not some how, Wigan letting up whilst thrashing a side, what next the
Pope dancing *** in the mud at the summer solstice, I think not !

Quote:
> and I am certain that's true.  They eased up visibly to all.

Probably relative to Bath realising it was pretty damned stupid playing Union
rugby under League rules.

Quote:
> It's facile to say Bath would get better with practice.  Of course
> they would, but not so much as would make any material difference,
> given that Wigan gave them an easy ride.

Take a look at the Union contingent at Wigan, it is stringer than most League
sides.

Quote:
> It seems to be accepted by everyone that the only way Bath may win, or
> get a respectable result, under Union rules, is if instead of making
> any attempt to play rugby,

By everyone ? Bigots or the uneducated maybe !

Quote:
> they try to play 10 man keepball and let
> the ref give them the advantage of the ludicrous penalties system that
> has turned RU internationals into place kicking and hoofing contests.

By English Union standards Bath are not that good at this game.

Quote:
> They know, and so do you, that once the rugby team gets the rugby ball
> in their hands, Bath are powerless to do owt but admire.

Send for the doctor !!!!
 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Mon, 20 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>Wegorzewski) writes:

>> > given an extra 3
>> >weeks of training RL style, with no union to worry about, they might
>> >have actually come a lot closer.

>> Never. Wigan said they'd have scored 150 if they had been on a bonus
>> to do so,
>I think not some how, Wigan letting up whilst thrashing a side, what next the
>Pope dancing *** in the mud at the summer solstice, I think not !

If they didn't ease up perhaps you could explain why two of their most
influential players were substituted on 20 minutes and why they played
with 12 men for a good proportion of the second half.

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After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Paul Rodw » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00

: The most interesting thing about BvW at league was what union could teach
: league about league.  There were 2 things-
: 1 Bath's 5th tackle kick & chase was superb due to Catt's
: stratospheric kicking - unrivalled in league, anywhere.

 Err? How many times did Bath and Catt actually do this and why was it
any better than the way Wigan did it? On the occasion
Bath had a slim chance to get a try the kick was too strong.
There was little need for Wigan to kick because by the time of the fifth
tackle they had usually scored a try. I also think the best kick of the
match came from Wigan to put Offiah in for the final try.

Finally, if you think Catt's kicking is unrivaled in league then you
clearly haven't seen some of Goulding's perfect strategic kicks.

: 2 Bath attacked best when they started off-loading securely in 2-man maul
: style - Redman prominent.

 Their attacks were so rare that it is difficult to draw any conclusions
about their best startegy.

: The return match will be most interesting for what league can teach union
: about union.

 Superior levels of fitness and ball handling skills. What Wigan
demonstrated at Maine road.

 Although Bath should win it will be much closer than the league
encounter. Most of Bath's points will come from penalties and pushover
tries. Look for the free flowing rugby and the occasional spectacular
try to come from Wigan.

: - -
: alan
:  L
: \-/

 Paulr.
--

 
 
 

After Wigan vs Bath - What's Next?

Post by Rob Lo » Wed, 22 May 1996 04:00:00

We saw a bit of this game on TV in NZ. IMHO what we saw was one very
proffessional group of players dish out a good hold hiding to a bunch
of comparative part timers. What else could you expect??
I would not be surprised to see the UNION result to go in Wigans favour
either. They have 7-8 ex Union guys.
The question of which is the best code has not been answered-and most
probably never will be. All we have found out is which code has got the most
from its players. If the SH Super 12 competition is anything to
go by Union has just started out towards getting the best from players.
A match between Wigan and say Auckland would be a fair test of how far
this improvement has progressed.

Cheers, Rob.