Post by Paul McNall » Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Seeing as there are so many new users of this group since it was set up
last September thought a quick re-post of the FAQ might be handy for
some of you. As usual thanks to the one and only Chris Russell for
putting it together!

Here goes Frequently Asked Questions Version 1.0


        1) About
                1.1) What is the purpose of
                1.2) What is the charter under which this group was
                1.3) Should I subscribe to this group?
                1.4) How do I post to this group?
                1.5) What special posting conventions exist?
                1.6) Where can I get the FAQ for this group?

        2) About Rugby League
                2.1) How did Rugby League come into existence?
                2.2) How does it differ from Rugby Union?
                2.3) How does it differ from American Football?
                2.4) So it must be the greatest game after all then?

        3) Obtaining more information

        4) Contributions to the FAQ

1) About

1.1) What is the purpose of
--------------------------------------------------- had been touted as an idea on
for as long as I
can remember. The trouble with was mainly due to it
being shared by both
Rugby League and Rugby Union, the latter being by far the best
represented on the group.

  In the early days of the group traffic was low and so it wasn't a
problem. As the
net' became the "in thing" though and more people got access to USENET,
traffic increased
and clashes between Union fans and League fans became more common place.
Paul McNally
deserves the credit for getting off his arse and submitting the RFD for
the group to be
split into and It's a
shame he couldn't be
arsed writing the FAQ :^)

  A temporary solution was brought about in the interim when Rick Eyre
created This group was mainly available in Australia,
only 2% of the net'
the last time I saw some statistics on this. As far as I know there are
no plans to kill
that newsgroup.

1.2) What is the charter under which this group was created?

1.3) Should I subscribe to this group?
-------------------------------------- is an unmoderated newsgroup, this means anyone
can join in the
discussion without having to gain expressed permission. This doesn't
mean you can post
anything! Please restrict your articles to the subject of Rugby League.

1.4) How do I post to this group?

  If you are familiar with your newsreader then you can post in the
normal way. If,
however, you are unfamiliar with your newsreader or USENET then please
read the appropriate
newsgroups/documentation for more information.

  News.newusers.questions is a good place to start. As the name infers,
this group is
frequented by experienced USENET users (myself included) offering tips
and suggestions on
"netiquette" and the like.

  Your first posts to USENET should be to misc.test. This group is
"read" by several
computers all over the world that will send you e-mail to confirm your
post was successful.

1.5) What special posting conventions exist?

  None. When was the main rugby newsgroup, Rugby League
posters were
asked to prefix their postings with "RL:" to signify a Rugby League
article. This helped
supporters of a particular code of Rugby from wasting their time reading
articles they
didn't want to. Many though are fans of both codes.

1.6) Where can I get the FAQ for this group?

  At the moment from the following places:

  The FAQ has been submitted for approval to the *.answers
administrators. Once it has
been accepted it will be available from and all the
relevant ftp and web mirror
sites in addition to rec.answers and news.answers.

2) About Rugby League:

2.1) How did Rugby League come into existence?

  As brief as I can, this is how, and why, it happened. For more
information there is no
better book than the Rugby Disunion series by Trevor Delaney, ISBN: 0-
9509982-3-0. There
are other useful books on the topic but this one stands head and
shoulders above the

  There is an expression in Yorkshire that goes "the row is not what the
row is all
about". In this context it means there are many complex reasons for the
initial existence
of Rugby League, all of them political. The primary, and most touted
one, was money.

  Before 1895, there was one code of Rugby. With a little
generalisation, it is fair to
say that in the north of England the game was played by working class
men such as miners and
factory workers, whereas in the south of England it was played by the
professional classes
such as doctors and solicitors. In otherwords, those that were employed
and on low wages
and those that were self-employed and "comfortably off".

  In those days Saturday was a working day in England and those men who
worked in factories
and the like had to take a day off work in order to play Rugby. The
average wage for these
men was 26/- (about 1.30 pounds sterling) so losing a days wage lead to
severe financial

  Several northern clubs, particularly in Yorkshire where over a third
of all English
Rugby clubs were based, offered "broken-time" payments to their players
by way of
recompense for losing a shift. This went against the strict amateur
rules of the Rugby
Football Union and several players received life bans as punishment.

  Several RFU meetings were called by the Yorkshire Rugby Football Union
and their
Lancashire counterparts but each time their proposals to allow broken-
time payments were
voted against. In the last such meeting in 1893, 418 votes were cast of
which Yorkshire and
Lancashire (together administrating just over half the clubs in England)
were entitled to
150 votes. The outcome of this meeting and the unfairness of the voting
system culminated
in the breakaway of 21 Yorkshire and Lancashire clubs in August, 1895
when the Northern
Union was formed at the George Hotel, Huddersfield.

  Since these clubs now had to pay their players, new ways had to be
found to make the game
more attractive to spectators and increase money earned at the gate.
Over a period of time,
several rule changes were made to speed up the game and create the more
flowing passing
movements that were popular with the crowds.

2.2) How does it differ with Rugby Union?

  Now quite a lot, initially not at all. The game didn't evolve into
Rugby League overnight,
it's taken just over 100 years to make the game what it is today.

  There are a number of obvious differences, these are the most
immediate ones:

a) The Tackle

 In Rugby Union, when a player is tackled, that player is required to
immediately let go of
the football. There are no limits on the number of successive tackles
allowed. In Rugby
League the player in possession stands up, places the ball on the ground
and rolls it with
his foot to a player stood behind him. This is known as the "play-the-
ball" and a team is
allowed six consecutive play-the-balls before they are required to hand
over possession of
the football to the opposition.

  To me this is THE important difference. Rugby Union is a game based to
a large extent on
the ball winning and keeping skills of the forwards in a given
situation. A good side
with forwards skilled in these techniques can control possession for
long periods of
the game. If this side has obtained a good winning margin then they can
"spoil" the game
by keeping possession and generally making it hard for the opposition to
get the ball. This
cannot happen in Rugby League. The closest parallel is called "laying
on" and involves the
defending side slowing down the oppositions play-the-ball. This stops
the attacking team
getting into the flow of their game and basically makes it easier to
defend against them. It
is, however, an offence to do this since the rules state the tackler(s)
should release the
tackled player immediately after the tackle is complete.

  Another important difference concerning the tackle is the position of
the players after
the tackle is complete. In Rugby Union the defending side can become
involved in a bit of a
scramble for the ball, known as a ruck (if the ball is on the ground) or
a maul (if the
ball is carried), provided they do not cross an imaginary line passing
through the ball and
perpendicular to the sides of the playing field. This is where the ball
winning skills of
the forwards come into play. In Rugby League the defending side must
retire 10 metres
further into their own territory until the ball is placed on the ground
during the
play-the-ball. Two defenders may "mark" the player playing the ball to
prevent him from
picking the ball up and running with it. By having ten metres to work
in, that attacking
side now has room to perform imaginative and flowing movements in their
attempts to outwit
the oppositions defence.

  Although the ten metre rule is only a few years old in itself, the
concept has been
around longer. Previously however, defences had to retire 5 metres. The
change in the rules
was proposed by the Australian governing body because they concentrate
on defence and
forget how to attack over there. ...

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:00:00


>Seeing as there are so many new users of this group since it was set up
>last September thought a quick re-post of the FAQ might be handy for
>some of you. As usual thanks to the one and only Chris Russell for
>putting it together!

I will update it, honest I will. For now though, the list of netty
sources for RL has grown pretty spectacularly since I wrote the FAQ.
If anyone knows of any not listed below I'll love you forever if you
let me know about them.

Other Sources of Information

General Rugby League

Australian Site:

Rugby League Supporters Association:

The Australian Rugby League:

Irish Rugby League:

South Queensland Rugby League:

Rugby League in North America:

Rugby At Yahoo:

When Push Comes to Shove, The biggest selling Rugby League book in the

Acutally, its now the second biggest selling RL book in the world.
When Push Comes to Shove Volume II is now the biggest. As soon as its
first edition has sold out, which isn't far away, most of it will
appear on my Web site.

Merging on the Ridiculous:

Rugby League Fans United:

Rugby League Clubs

Auckland Warriors:

Official Brisbane Broncos:

Unofficial Brisbane Broncos:

Keighley Cougars:

London Broncos:

Manly Warringah Sea Eagles:

Official Newcastle Knights

North Sydney Bears:

Parramatta Eels:

Official Penrith Panthers:

Official Salford Reds:


South Sydney Rabittohs:


Western Reds:

Wigan: FAQ

Post by Rick Ey » Tue, 16 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>North Sydney Bears:

The North Sydney URL is now


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