Bath vs Wigan

Bath vs Wigan

Post by T M Joyc » Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:00:00


Sorry for cross posting this to both codes' ngs, but it's equally
relevant to both, and I'm more likely to get an answer this way :-).

Wigan and Bath are scheduled to play two games, one of each code, some
time in May. Does anyone have more details, particularly about who's
televising the games. (Please, please, please don't let it be Murdoch!)

BTW this isn't an invitation to restart the r.s.r flamewars that led to
the two seperate groups being formed.

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Post by Dr J.S. Marsla » Tue, 30 Jan 1996 04:00:00


: Wigan and Bath are scheduled to play two games, one of each code, some
: time in May. Does anyone have more details,

Today's League Express gives the following 'projected dates':  The Rugby
League match on May 8th at Maine Road, Manchester and the Rugby Union
match at Twickenham on May 25th.  I've also read Goodison Park, Liverpool
and Cardiff Arms Park as alternative venues.  Apparently the RFL (or may
be just Maurice Lindsay) is unhappy about the lack of consultation and
the League Express quotes Lindsay thus: 'We have a 87 millon pound
contract with News Corporation to respect'.  This reacton results from the
planned postponement of Sheffield Eagles visit to Central Park on the
second of those two dates.  Of course Wigan have already postponed their
visit to Halifax on the weekend of the Middlesex sevens but that
tournament is televised by Sky anyway so they won't lose out.

: particularly about who's
: televising the games. (Please, please, please don't let it be Murdoch!)

Wigan have a cash crisis at the moment - apparently Wigan did not hand
over the gate money for the England-Fiji RL World Cup match played at
Central Park until the prize money for the Regal Trophy was withheld -
so the television rights will go to the highest bidder.  And, although
Sky may wish to be compensated for the loss of a major Superleague
game, I expect that they will bid highest.

Personally I can see no other motivation for these ridiculous matches.
The winner of each is a foregone conclusion and they will prove nothing.
I hope Wigan suffer as a result - i.e. I hope that the Wigan team are
weaken by suspension or injury (but not serious) resulting from these
matches so that they come fifth in the SuperLeague.  That will cost
them many thousands in lost revenue.  And, as I've said before, I
think the RFU should first apologise for 100 years of discrimination
before Wigan jumps into bed with them.

All the best
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Post by Martin Gre » Tue, 30 Jan 1996 04:00:00


writes:

Quote:
> Sorry for cross posting this to both codes' ngs, but it's equally
> relevant to both, and I'm more likely to get an answer this way :-).

> Wigan and Bath are scheduled to play two games, one of each code, some
> time in May. Does anyone have more details, particularly about who's
> televising the games. (Please, please, please don't let it be Murdoch!)

As far as I am aware both ruling bodies have yet to sanction either fixture.

The outcome in the league Bath will score a lot of tries, though Wigan will
score significantly more [though the difference to the usual Bath line-up would
be interesting].

The union match, I doubt Wigan would get much of the ball [though when they do
they  would probably wreak havoc since Bath are conceeding a lot of tries], a
comfortable win.

If any side is going to win both matches I would have to put it on Wigan for the
following reasons

Wigan have ;
1) Daft scrum scull caps
2) Even dafter kits [and people wonder why league doesn't catch on all over the
   UK]
3) Shaun Edwards' mouth is enough to put anyone off
4) In general the Wigan forwards may be not too intelligent but they are as unit
touch faster.

Hopefully both sides would put out full strength sides.

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Post by Mike Roger » Tue, 30 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Wigan have a cash crisis at the moment - apparently Wigan did not
hand
> over the gate money for the England-Fiji RL World Cup match played
at
> Central Park until the prize money for the Regal Trophy was

withheld

Both the RL and Wigan say that this incident was a misunderstanding,
the funds were put into the wrong a RL account.

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Post by Martin Gre » Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> writes
> >Wigan have ;
> >1) Daft scrum scull caps
> >2) Even dafter kits [and people wonder why league doesn't catch on all over
> the
> >   UK]
> >3) Shaun Edwards' mouth is enough to put anyone off
> >4) In general the Wigan forwards may be not too intelligent but they are as
> unit
> >touch faster.

> 1) That's to help avoid being stamped on the head in a ruck ;)

Well as a RU person I can confidently say that the sport has absolutely no
trouble with stamping on people's bonces, unless you play in England, Scotland,
Wales, SA, Aus, NZ, Ireland, France, Italy, WS, et al.

Quote:
> 2) Yeah right. I like that Harlequins one. Dead trendy. Loads of kids
> wear it up here.

All I can see is you're bleeding fortunate, rugby shirts are considered to be
tasteful and look good [I seem to recall the Crystal Palace soccer shirt not to
long ago bearing the name of their sponsor, Mr Branson's company, the strip
itself was bad enough but there were all these "jack the lads" going around
Croydon and on the terraces with "V I R G I N" splattered across their shirts,
when they started their sing songs you can just imagine the reply they others
gave them] now everyone surely knows the answer to that.

Quote:
> 4) Just a touch mind. Nothing more. Of course you'd say they weren't too
> intelligent to their faces eh?

Now you know the answer to that one !
 
 
 

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Post by Paul McNall » Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
>Both the RL and Wigan say that this incident was a misunderstanding,
>the funds were put into the wrong a RL account.

Was it a misunderstanding how many people were crammed into CP that
night? We got to our seats and found a family in them with EXACTLY the
same tickets as ours. We bought our tickets from the CP ticket office as
apparently did this family. I looked at the tickets and if they were
forged they were ***y good ones.
It's not like Wigan aren't used to dealing with large crowds. There was
something fishy in the air that night.
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Post by Paul McNall » Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:00:00


writes

Quote:
>Wigan have ;
>1) Daft scrum scull caps
>2) Even dafter kits [and people wonder why league doesn't catch on all over the
>   UK]
>3) Shaun Edwards' mouth is enough to put anyone off
>4) In general the Wigan forwards may be not too intelligent but they are as unit
>touch faster.

1) That's to help avoid being stamped on the head in a ruck ;)
2) Yeah right. I like that Harlequins one. Dead trendy. Loads of kids
wear it up here.
3) Agreed.
4) Just a touch mind. Nothing more. Of course you'd say they weren't too
intelligent to their faces eh?

Shit, that's me defending pie-eaters. Must be in a good mood.
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Post by Andy Hatto » Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:00:00

I reckon having these games is a good idea. I remember listening on the
radio about 3 years ago to an interview with Maurice Lindsey, where he
mentioned that he had approached the RFU about the RL England team
playing the RU England team, but the RFU had turned him down. At the time
i thought it would be great.
It's a pity it isn't the England teams as its gonna be very hard to bring
myself to support Wigan.  I know they're representing RL but still, it's
Wigan.  Maybe if I pretend it isn't them, just a team that looks like
them.

Andy

 
 
 

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Post by Dr J.S. Marsla » Thu, 01 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: I reckon having these games is a good idea.

Why?

: It's a pity it isn't the England teams as its gonna be very hard to bring
: myself to support Wigan.

The easy answer is not to support them; I'm not.  

: I know they're representing RL but still, it's Wigan.

Representing Rugby League?  What complete nonsense;  Wigan are doing it
for Wigan and nobody else as far as I can ascertain.  Unless there is
some charity involvement.

Regarding someones suggestion earlier in this thread that Bath will
score lots of tries in a Rugby League match against Wigan; dream on
mate; I think that Bath may well finish pointless.  Which is kind
of appropriate for a pointless match.

All the best
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Post by Thomas Morri » Thu, 01 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
J.S. Marsland) writes:

  And, as I've said before, I
Quote:
> think the RFU should first apologise for 100 years of discrimination
> before Wigan jumps into bed with them.

Absolutely spot on there mate. Am I the only person who is just a
little suspicious of RU's apparent desire of jumping into bed with us
after all this time?

Anthony Morris

 
 
 

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Post by Gary Austi » Fri, 02 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>I think that Bath may well finish pointless.  Which is kind
> of appropriate for a pointless match.

Well done John! Brrrrrum-Tsssssh!

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Post by d.m.fis.. » Sat, 03 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>J.S. Marsland) writes:
>  And, as I've said before, I
>> think the RFU should first apologise for 100 years of discrimination
>> before Wigan jumps into bed with them.

>Absolutely spot on there mate. Am I the only person who is just a
>little suspicious of RU's apparent desire of jumping into bed with us
>after all this time?
>Anthony Morris

No you're not the only one who's a little suspiscious, but you and John are
seriously wrong about the conclusions to be drawn from, or the action to be
taken in response to, dubious RU motives.

The merits or otherwise of a proposal should be assessed in terms of the
likely consequences of its being enacted. RU bigots may, indeed, wish to
ensnare the commercially attractive parts of RL, but the strategies they choose
may not necessarilly achieve that objective.

In my view:
a) Anything which enables the general public to compare RU & RL on similar
terms is bound to produce a favourable judgement on RL's basic skills and
entertainment value.
b) If you believe (as I do) that RU has acted pettilly, and disgracefully
towards RL, you hardly bolster the case for RL adopting their pathetic practices
of splendid isolation from reality. As Nelson Mandela has demonstrated,
magnanimity to a pusilanimous, but ultimately defeated, former enemy,
only enhances the strength of the righteous victims.

Yours,

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Post by Paul McNall » Mon, 05 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>As Nelson Mandela has demonstrated,
>magnanimity to a pusilanimous, but ultimately defeated, former enemy,
>only enhances the strength of the righteous victims.

Yeah but this is the bosses at RL HQ we're talking about and I doubt
very much they they're on the political genius side.
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Post by Dr J.S. Marsla » Tue, 06 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: No you're not the only one who's a little suspiscious, but you and John are
: seriously wrong about the conclusions to be drawn from, or the action to be
: taken in response to, dubious RU motives.

Maybe - certainly I would like to be proved wrong if that means that
Rugby League in general gains (and not just Wigan).

: The merits or otherwise of a proposal should be assessed in terms of the
: likely consequences of its being enacted.

I'm a pragmatist too - I just don't think that there will be any -major-
consequences i.e. I think that it will prove essentially nothing.

: RU bigots may, indeed, wish to
: ensnare the commercially attractive parts of RL, but the strategies they
: choose may not necessarilly achieve that objective.

I think that they will find Rugby League to be highly resilient if they
try a commercial takeover; the customer base is highly loyal.

: In my view:
: a) Anything which enables the general public to compare RU & RL on similar
: terms is bound to produce a favourable judgement on RL's basic skills and
: entertainment value.

True but marginal in my view - O.K. we will get some converts from amongst
the Rugby Union supporting public but I think that with the advent of
Summer Rugby we should be looking to attract soccer spectators.  The real
challenge of Super League in this country is to increase gates to 10,000+
all round without including amongst that number the football hooligans who
will create major problems in unsegrated stadia.

: b) If you believe (as I do) that RU has acted pettilly, and disgracefully
: towards RL, you hardly bolster the case for RL adopting their pathetic
: practices of splendid isolation from reality. As Nelson Mandela has
: demonstrated, magnanimity to a pusilanimous, but ultimately defeated,
: former enemy, only enhances the strength of the righteous victims.

I agree entirely although one should note that Mandela also gained a
major victory over his former oppressors with the establishment of
true democracy.  Rugby League cannot as yet claim a similar victory
but if the RFU were to apologise that would be it.  The English RFU
has not yet repealled it's amateur law even though players like
Heslop have now returned and the SARFU has replaced it's amateur
law with an anti-League law - not the signs of a defeated enemy.

Regarding pettiness there is a lot of it about.  For instance the
League Express leader recently suggested that Wigan should not
allow Orrell to use Central Park for their Leicester match on the
opening weekend of the Super League.  I disagree - I think any
sport should be able to use Rugby League stadia - one day maybe
Rugby League will be played at Twickenham or the Arms Park.  
Similarly the Leeds ground sharing agreement - why not?  I'm
even happy with the Middlesex sevens in that the invitation was
from the RFU and can be seen as a recognition that Rugby League
is not going to just go away.  But this Wigan/Bath double
header is one too far for me.

All the best
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John
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Post by Andrew May » Tue, 06 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



>>Both the RL and Wigan say that this incident was a misunderstanding,
>>the funds were put into the wrong a RL account.

>Was it a misunderstanding how many people were crammed into CP that
>night? We got to our seats and found a family in them with EXACTLY the
>same tickets as ours. We bought our tickets from the CP ticket office as
>apparently did this family. I looked at the tickets and if they were
>forged they were ***y good ones.
>It's not like Wigan aren't used to dealing with large crowds. There was
>something fishy in the air that night.
>        ww
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If I remember rightly, all ticket allocation for the World Cup
wsa done by an outside company who seemed to balls up every
match in the competition. So, you seat being double booked couldn't
have had anything to do with the Wiggan club.

Don't you remember all the aggro for the Wembley games, and semi
finals being sold out and there actually being loads of empty seats,
etc. The RFL said they were going to take action against them. Dunno
if they did or not.

Thanks,

Andrew.