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Post by John Turne » Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:55:02


Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?

I might follow Hull FC now, but I found tonight's game highly emotional.
Suppose I'm pleased for Kear and that Trinity will live to fight another
day, but really hope that Cas can survive the drop.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Rusty Spoke » Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:02:37


Quote:
> Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
> wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

> Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
> themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?

> I might follow Hull FC now, but I found tonight's game highly emotional.
> Suppose I'm pleased for Kear and that Trinity will live to fight another
> day, but really hope that Cas can survive the drop.

> John.
> Of the 2 clubs in tonight's match I feel sure that Cas with their large
> fan base will bounce back.

    If Wakey had have been relegated then a return to Superleague would be
difficult.

    RS

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:57:39

"Rusty Spokes"  wrote

Quote:
> Of the 2 clubs in tonight's match I feel sure that Cas with their large
> fan base will bounce back.

I think they've a far better chance of bouncing back than cash-strapped
Trinity would have had.

Quote:
> If Wakey had have been relegated then a return to Superleague would be
> difficult.

Just hoping that Trinity's new sponsorship deal will help them recruit some
better quality players and that the likes of Solomona and Rooney stay put.

I've been in Belle Vue with 28,000+ and it was wonderful to see the reduced
sized ground bursting at the seams with 11,000 last night - but I bet at
least half of them were from Cas.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen Ellab » Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:18:21

Thought that Cas have being trying to prove themselves for donkey years now.


Quote:
> Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
> wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

> Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
> themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?

> I might follow Hull FC now, but I found tonight's game highly emotional.
> Suppose I'm pleased for Kear and that Trinity will live to fight another
> day, but really hope that Cas can survive the drop.

> John.

 
 
 

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Post by Arthur Py » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:04:46



Quote:
>Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
>wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

>Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
>themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?

Yes it is odd if you look at the season in isolation, but it's because
Les Cats are the first franchise club and Cas are/were in SL because of
P&R. Their real failure was in getting relegated a couple of seasons ago
after having 9 years to establish themselves in SL. And they had about
100 years before that.

If the RFL stick to their plans, from 2009 every club will have a SL
membership guarantee for a few years - don't know if the period is fixed
yet.
--
Arthur

 
 
 

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Post by Alf Kin » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:56:23

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:04:46 +0100, Arthur Pye

Quote:



>>Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
>>wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

>>Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
>>themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?
>Yes it is odd if you look at the season in isolation, but it's because
>Les Cats are the first franchise club and Cas are/were in SL because of
>P&R. Their real failure was in getting relegated a couple of seasons ago
>after having 9 years to establish themselves in SL. And they had about
>100 years before that.

>If the RFL stick to their plans, from 2009 every club will have a SL
>membership guarantee for a few years - don't know if the period is fixed
>yet.

The plan is that every franchise that is granted SL status will have
membership guaranteed, until they decide to review the rules again.
Some current SL clubs are aware that these franchises will not be
granted automatically and that they will have to do something to bring
their grounds up to scratch.

This means Wakefield, Salford & St Helens will be watching
developments closely!

Alf King

 
 
 

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Post by JP » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:51:33


Quote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:04:46 +0100, Arthur Pye



>>>Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
>>>wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

>>>Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
>>>themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?
>>Yes it is odd if you look at the season in isolation, but it's because
>>Les Cats are the first franchise club and Cas are/were in SL because of
>>P&R. Their real failure was in getting relegated a couple of seasons ago
>>after having 9 years to establish themselves in SL. And they had about
>>100 years before that.

>>If the RFL stick to their plans, from 2009 every club will have a SL
>>membership guarantee for a few years - don't know if the period is fixed
>>yet.

> The plan is that every franchise that is granted SL status will have
> membership guaranteed, until they decide to review the rules again.
> Some current SL clubs are aware that these franchises will not be
> granted automatically and that they will have to do something to bring
> their grounds up to scratch.

> This means Wakefield, Salford & St Helens will be watching
> developments closely!

Yes, I can just see it now Saints not getting a franchise
 
 
 

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Post by JP » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:49:46


Quote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:04:46 +0100, Arthur Pye



>>>Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
>>>wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

>>>Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
>>>themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?
>>Yes it is odd if you look at the season in isolation, but it's because
>>Les Cats are the first franchise club and Cas are/were in SL because of
>>P&R. Their real failure was in getting relegated a couple of seasons ago
>>after having 9 years to establish themselves in SL. And they had about
>>100 years before that.

>>If the RFL stick to their plans, from 2009 every club will have a SL
>>membership guarantee for a few years - don't know if the period is fixed
>>yet.

> The plan is that every franchise that is granted SL status will have
> membership guaranteed, until they decide to review the rules again.
> Some current SL clubs are aware that these franchises will not be
> granted automatically and that they will have to do something to bring
> their grounds up to scratch.

> This means Wakefield, Salford & St Helens will be watching
> developments closely!

> Alf King

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:45:55

"Alf King"  wrote

Quote:
> This means Wakefield, Salford & St Helens will be watching
> developments closely!

I don't think Wakey have too much of a problem with Belle Vue.  If it will
take 11,000 (Saturday's attendance) it can't be far off the pace, and
there's some fairly easy improvements which could be made.

A new stand on the site of the old wooden grandstand wouldn't go amiss, and
some rejigging of the bogs would be welcome, and apart from some work on the
terracing at the Doncaster Road end, then I can't see much else that can be
really criticised.

I'd have thought that ?m would see that all sorted - small beer in this day
& age.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Mr.Wil » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:09:08

I saw the emotionally charged coverage and yes I felt bad for the Cas
supporters, but I can't help feeling the whole "Aussies dont have
relegation, so if we dont our game will improve dramatically" is a bit of a
knee jerk reaction - or more accurately a suggested quick fix.

I don't think relegation is the reason for our GB side not doing well
against the Aussies, more the attitude within the game itself. You see it in
business all the time, lower level competitors trying to emulate the results
of the leaders by simply copying a few of the obvious practices, when in
reality they aren't having a system of practice (attitude in this case).

I wouldn't expect the attitudes of the clubs to change should relegation be
scrapped. I don't see people trying less hard to win the SL trophy, nor less
foreign players in the game.

Mr.Will

Quote:


>>Born in Cas, brought up as a Trinity supporter and though I desperately
>>wanted Wakey to win tonight I didn't want to see Cas relegated.

>>Isn't it odd that Catalans have been given three years to establish
>>themselves in SL, but Cas got just one?
> Yes it is odd if you look at the season in isolation, but it's because Les
> Cats are the first franchise club and Cas are/were in SL because of P&R.
> Their real failure was in getting relegated a couple of seasons ago after
> having 9 years to establish themselves in SL. And they had about 100 years
> before that.

> If the RFL stick to their plans, from 2009 every club will have a SL
> membership guarantee for a few years - don't know if the period is fixed
> yet.
> --
> Arthur

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen Ellab » Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:38:45

Thought they said they would do all of the ground improvements years ago
when they were admitted??


Quote:

> "Alf King"  wrote

>> This means Wakefield, Salford & St Helens will be watching
>> developments closely!

> I don't think Wakey have too much of a problem with Belle Vue.  If it will
> take 11,000 (Saturday's attendance) it can't be far off the pace, and
> there's some fairly easy improvements which could be made.

> A new stand on the site of the old wooden grandstand wouldn't go amiss,
> and some rejigging of the bogs would be welcome, and apart from some work
> on the terracing at the Doncaster Road end, then I can't see much else
> that can be really criticised.

> I'd have thought that ?m would see that all sorted - small beer in this
> day & age.

> John.

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:14:01

"Stephen Ellaby"  wrote

Quote:
> Thought they said they would do all of the ground improvements years ago
> when they were admitted??

They did some work on admittance to SL - note the block of flats
(hospitality boxes) at one end of the ground, but running any sort of
sporting venue is (or should be) an on-going thing with repairs and
improvements.

John.

 
 
 

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Post by Alf Kin » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:59:00

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:38:45 GMT, "Stephen Ellaby"

Quote:

>Thought they said they would do all of the ground improvements years ago
>when they were admitted??

Yes. They lied.

They promised to make extensive alterations to Belle Vue as a
condition of being allowed into SL. Subsequently they not only went
back on this promise but also conspired to prevent other clubs from
being promoted on the basis of the unsuitability of their facilities.

Fortunately I'm not bitter.

Alf King

 
 
 

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Post by Alf Kin » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:00:18

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:45:55 +0100, "John Turner"

Quote:

>"Alf King"  wrote

>> This means Wakefield, Salford & St Helens will be watching
>> developments closely!

>I don't think Wakey have too much of a problem with Belle Vue.  If it will
>take 11,000 (Saturday's attendance) it can't be far off the pace, and
>there's some fairly easy improvements which could be made.

>A new stand on the site of the old wooden grandstand wouldn't go amiss, and
>some rejigging of the bogs would be welcome, and apart from some work on the
>terracing at the Doncaster Road end, then I can't see much else that can be
>really criticised.

>I'd have thought that ?m would see that all sorted - small beer in this day
>& age.

>John.

One key requirement is to have a demonstrable development programme in
place together with a proportion of home grown players in your first
team.

Still think they won't have much of a problem?

Alf King

 
 
 

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Post by John Turne » Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:10:08

"Alf King"  wrote

Quote:
> One key requirement is to have a demonstrable development programme in
> place together with a proportion of home grown players in your first
> team.

That seems to be sadly lacking with any number of clubs, but I concede that
Trinity need to make some serious progress in that respect.

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> Still think they won't have much of a problem?

It needs sorting.

John.