Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Adam Ma » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Hello, I am cross posting to these newsgroups to inform, find out, and
discuss Essendon Bombers Kevin Sheedy's vision of Football fest 2000.

Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting capital
Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

Over a selected week, melbourne will host exhibition games at the 102,000
capacity stadium the MCG in all codes of football;
        -Australian Football (2 AFL clubs will compete)
        -Soccer (two English Premier League Clubs will play)
        -Rugby League (ARL clubs?)
        -Rugby Union (Possibly Wallabies V's All blacks)
        -American Football (I hear the party poopers won't participate)
        -Canadian Football (2 CFL Teams are scheduled)
        -Gaelic Football (Ireland V's Australia)
        -Hopefully Florence Football (this game has No RULEs!! love it)

After the Recent Rugby Game attended by 92,000, it prooves melbourne can
draw bumper crowds not just for Australian Rules. (don't worry
melburnians, we'll get rid of all the MCC members so we can get the 6
figure attendance once again)

A festival as such, has the potential to possibly be nearly as great a
sporting event as the Olympic Games. I personally believe that it is a
great concept, and could be an ecomonic boost for the host city, and would
be an event that could be held every 4 years, to a bidding city.

Unfortunatly, all discussions in the Melbourne media have died, and I
would love to see if anyone in Melbourne Knows where Jeff Kennet stands
with the idea and if it will go ahead. (???)

Comments, Opinions from others is welcome. :)

regards Adam Maciejewski
Cat Attack '97'

(in the next few weeks I will have info on footy fest on my Grand FInal
web page... http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~adammac  )

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by bps.. » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Subject: Re: Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust
>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:09:40 +1000
>In article


>> Hello, I am cross posting to these newsgroups to inform, find out, and
>> discuss Essendon Bombers Kevin Sheedy's vision of Football fest 2000.

>I haven't heard of this. What a GREAT idea!
>> Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting capital
>> Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

>Yeah! Let's show them which city is the _best_ city when it comes to sport!
>> Over a selected week, melbourne will host exhibition games at the 102,000
>> capacity stadium the MCG in all codes of football;
>>         -Australian Football (2 AFL clubs will compete)

Essendon v Collingwood (always a HUGE crowd puller

Quote:
>>         -Soccer (two English Premier League Clubs will play)
>Manchester United vs Liverpool?

Arsenal would have to be considered here too.

In all a sound suggestion if we can get Jeff to go for it.

regards

Brad

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Steve Turne » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00

snip

Quote:
> > Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting
capital
> > Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

> Yeah! Let's show them which city is the _best_ city when it comes to
sport!

It could only happen here folks and the pity is that the good burgers of
Melbourne will probably run with the idea. It says a lot about our unity
and maturity. The real purpose of such an event of course, would be for the
emotionally and culturally deprived southerners to try and showcase their
laugh a minute, cross-country anarchy, known as Australian Football, which
in over 100 years has been embraced nowhere but morbid Melbourne.

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Mr P Halliwel » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting
> capital
> Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

> Yeah! Let's show them which city is the _best_ city when it comes to
> sport!

In case you failed to notice. This is a Rugby League newsgroup.

--

Wigan Warriors RLFC.....But still just Wigan RLFC to me.
.
As important as the right to free speach is the right not to listen....!

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Steve Morri » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>Hello, I am cross posting to these newsgroups to inform, find out, and
>discuss Essendon Bombers Kevin Sheedy's vision of Football fest 2000.

>Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting capital
>Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

Have I missed something? Melbourne the world's sporting capital? On what
measurement. It may be Australia's sporting capital but really.

London is just one contender for the title but there are many more:
Paris, New York, Rome....

London has seven premiership soccer grounds: Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham,
Wimbledon, Crystal Palace, Spurs; probably another half dozen fully
professional soccer teams: QPR, Millwall, Charlton, Brentford,
Orient......Not to mention Wembley

Two cricket test venues (Oval and Lord) with county sides playing
throughout the summer and Lords being the home of Cricket.

One RU test venue in Twickenham also the home of RU, did you know how
the English Union is known? just as the RFU. Five division one
professional RU teams: Quins, Wasps, Saracens, Richmond, London Irish
and a number of other first class teams: Askeans, London Welsh, London
Scottish, Blackheath, and Park.......

A RL SL club London Broncos, The venue for RL test and CC final matches
(Wembley).

A F1 venue (Brands Hatch).

World class racecourses: Epsom and Ascot.

International athletics and swimming stadia (Crystal Palace)

Plus a number of venues for other international sporting events like
boxing, gymnastics and a whole range of other sports.

Quote:

>Over a selected week, melbourne will host exhibition games at the 102,000
>capacity stadium the MCG in all codes of football;

Compete with the olympics???? The biggest sporting event in the world?

Quote:
>       -Australian Football (2 AFL clubs will compete)

It may keep the locals happy but I suspect if Australia has a chance of
a medal in a track and field event on the same night a few people may
stay at home with the TV.

Quote:
>       -Soccer (two English Premier League Clubs will play)

A friendly soccer game while the olympic football is on, most soccer
fans would sooner watch the olympic games. It will also cost anything
upto a million pounds to get two premiership teams all the way to
Australia for one game.

Quote:
>       -Rugby League (ARL clubs?)

In the middle of the regular season?

Quote:
>       -Rugby Union (Possibly Wallabies V's All blacks)

This could happen

Quote:
>       -American Football (I hear the party poopers won't participate)

What would the interest be, likely to cost even more than the
Premiership teams to bring all the way to Oz.

Quote:
>       -Canadian Football (2 CFL Teams are scheduled)

Is this the same as Americak Football?

Quote:
>       -Gaelic Football (Ireland V's Australia)

Not a real contest I would guess

Quote:
>       -Hopefully Florence Football (this game has No RULEs!! love it)

Taken out of its historical context this game will be the most
meaningless of all, some of these Italian medeival sporting contest
still have a real purpose and function, they mean a lot to the
communities that play in them. IMHO to translate this particular event
to a football festival would be like running the Pamplona Bulls in
Melbourne using kangaroos with boxing gloves instead of bulls.

Quote:

>After the Recent Rugby Game attended by 92,000, it prooves melbourne can
>draw bumper crowds not just for Australian Rules. (don't worry
>melburnians, we'll get rid of all the MCC members so we can get the 6
>figure attendance once again)

>A festival as such, has the potential to possibly be nearly as great a
>sporting event as the Olympic Games. I personally believe that it is a
>great concept, and could be an ecomonic boost for the host city, and would
>be an event that could be held every 4 years, to a bidding city.

Really? as great as the olympic games? Which countries do you see
bidding to host a festival that included:
Aussie Rules
RL
RU
Gaelic Football
Canadian Football
American Football

Outside of the International RU Board countries who else has the desire
or audience to host a RU international in front of a big crowd.

RL has maybe two or three countries where large numbers of fans would
pay to see a decent game.

Aussie Rules has only one audiance (in Australia)

To my knowledge Gaelic football is not really played in front of good
crowds anywhere outside Ireland

Canadian Football - Canada

American Football - not many countries where a game would attract 50,000
plus crowds.

Soccer - Big possible audiances everywhere but enough interest to
generate the kind of fees that big soccer clubs require to travel the
world out of season???

Quote:

>Unfortunatly, all discussions in the Melbourne media have died,

I wonder why?

Quote:
>and I
>would love to see if anyone in Melbourne Knows where Jeff Kennet stands
>with the idea and if it will go ahead. (???)

>Comments, Opinions from others is welcome. :)

>regards Adam Maciejewski
>Cat Attack '97'

Adam sorry to throw a damp squib in but for me the idea is a non-
starter.

Such an event would require real money, I can't see any sponsorship
money been drawn away from the Olympics to the Fest 2000. Forget TV
coverage as well, as any Aussie medal hope will get priority over Gaelic
or Canadian Football.

What is the population of Melbourne? would in theory you be asking the
same 90,000 fans to come back and watch the same events.

London is a big old town, it has large numbers of
Antipodean/Irish/US/Canadian residents but it wouldn't work here. A top
RU match (England v NZ would attract 75,000).
A non competitive soccer game (international or club) is unlikely to
attract more than 35-40,000 fans. If the game could be a world cup
qualifier (England v Italy) you could expect to sell 80,000 tickets.

A full RL test between GB & Aus could also draw a good crowd but the
other events may struggle to attract 20,000 fans between them.

I say forget competing with the Olympics, support Sydney and start
saving for an Olympic bid in 20-30 years time.

Steve Morris

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by WiganRLf » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>A F1 venue (Brands Hatch).

Hang on Steve, stretching the point a bit aren't we, BH is in Kent not London
and its not hosted an F1 title race for years.

Quote:
>World class racecourses: Epsom and Ascot.

And which London borough are these two in?

Other than that, a point well made!

Dave
--
Wigan RLFC - Simply the best -
but trying hard to become the worst :-(

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Steve S » Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:00:00

<SNIP>
| I say forget competing with the Olympics, support Sydney and start
| saving for an Olympic bid in 20-30 years time.
|
| Steve Morris

Oooooooooooooohhhhhhh!!!!!,  How very cynical !! (or not)

Steve

:-]

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Adam Ma » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Have I missed something? Melbourne the world's sporting capital? On what
> measurement. It may be Australia's sporting capital but really.

Go to www.vicnet.au and read a bit about melbourne mate. You may change
your opinion.

Quote:
> London is just one contender for the title but there are many more:
> Paris, New York, Rome....
> London has seven premiership soccer grounds: Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham,
> Wimbledon, Crystal Palace, Spurs; probably another half dozen fully
> professional soccer teams: QPR, Millwall, Charlton, Brentford,
> Orient......Not to mention Wembley

Oooo.... Well Stadiums in melb.
MCG (don't the brits wish they built it) (102,000 Capacity)
Waverly Park. (80,000 capacity)
Optus Oval (35,000 capacity)
Victoria Park (25,000 capacity)
Whitten Oval (20,000 capacity)
others include Morrabin, Windy hill, Arden Street, Juntion Oval,
Glenferrie oval, and blah blah blah each with varying capacities of 5000
to 20,000.
+Docklands (under construct) - Proposed Cap of 60,000.

then there is Olympic Park (Athletics)
Multi Purpose stadiums - Flinders Park and the Glasshouse.

Quote:
> Two cricket test venues (Oval and Lord) with county sides playing
> throughout the summer and Lords being the home of Cricket.

Ummmm... we have every right to call MCG the Equal home of cricket with
lords. It has hosted many of the great games, brings in the biggest
cricket crowds, and generally has a place in the heart of every
international cricket player.

Quote:
> A F1 venue (Brands Hatch).

Albert Park.

Quote:
> World class racecourses: Epsom and Ascot.

Really? What is Flemington Racecourse (Host Melb Cup) and Caufield (Cox
Plate) or is that at monnee valley. I don't know. At least the IRA dosn't
threaten our events.

Quote:
> International athletics and swimming stadia (Crystal Palace)

Olympic Park, and melbourne Aquatic Sports center.

also I didn't mean to go on during the olympics. I meant be held maybe 2
weeks before the games. Many people are coming early for
the games to sightsee. This is one way to attract people to melbourne for
a week. Although I stress there is more than just sport to see in Melb.

[cut]

Quote:
> >       -Rugby League (ARL clubs?)
> In the middle of the regular season?

Trust me. Offer them a game at the MCG, and they jump at the chance. They
rarely play in front of 20,000 crowds. 90,000 - 100,000 is a frill.

Quote:
> >       -American Football (I hear the party poopers won't participate)
> What would the interest be, likely to cost even more than the
> Premiership teams to bring all the way to Oz.

Here you have it. A footy fest as such could reach potential audiences of
1 billion (not to say they will all watch it). But it could market two pro
teams on the international stage which means $$$. But maybe it mightn't
be in their interests. Maybe they don't want the money.... yeah right.

Quote:
> >       -Canadian Football (2 CFL Teams are scheduled)
> Is this the same as Americak Football?

Yes. But the field is some 10 yards longer and a bit wider. One more
player and some rules vary. Also the people who watch & play it don't have
big heads. :)

Quote:
> >       -Gaelic Football (Ireland V's Australia)
> Not a real contest I would guess

Aussie Rules and Gaelic is simular. We used to have Aussie players take on
Gaelic Footballers at their game. The games stopped after a while. But
such a game would rekindle a great tradition.

Quote:
> Really? as great as the olympic games? Which countries do you see
> bidding to host a festival that included: [cut list of codes]

Let melbourne trial it. It may be a flop. It may be a success. And if it
is a success no doubt we will wanna keep it again.

Quote:
> Outside of the International RU Board countries who else has the desire
> or audience to host a RU international in front of a big crowd.

You nominated 5 or so cities who compete for sporting capital of the
world. If they really are fair dinkum, they will attend these sports like
a true sporting city.

Quote:
> Aussie Rules has only one audiance (in Australia)

She's becoming internationally rewcongnised my friend... talk to me again
in 10 years.... Already some 20 schools in suburban chicago have scrapped
basketball for Aussie Rules Football.

Quote:
> What is the population of Melbourne? would in theory you be asking the
> same 90,000 fans to come back and watch the same events.

3.5 million my friend. Nope it's not the little sheepstation you thought
it was was it?

Quote:
> London is a big old town, it has large numbers of
> Antipodean/Irish/US/Canadian residents but it wouldn't work here. A top
> RU match (England v NZ would attract 75,000).

Ooooo and that is better than 90,000 is it. And england is crap. we quick
your bum at erverything. Cricket, Rugby..... maybe not soccer.... yet.

Quote:
> A non competitive soccer game (international or club) is unlikely to
> attract more than 35-40,000 fans. If the game could be a world cup
> qualifier (England v Italy) you could expect to sell 80,000 tickets.

We are inquisitive little people here. We'll watch it live before we make
any opinions on a particular sport.

Quote:
> A full RL test between GB & Aus could also draw a good crowd but the
> other events may struggle to attract 20,000 fans between them.

The struggling events would no doubt be the slow games, American and
Canadaian Football.... Gaelic, Aussie, Soccer and League,Union would be
sellouts. But this is melbourne not london. So 7 events.... maybe 650,000
attend. That's a big sporting event no doubt.
Quote:
> Steve Morris

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Chris Walk » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:




> >Subject: Re: Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust
> >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:09:40 +1000

> >In article


> >> Hello, I am cross posting to these newsgroups to inform, find out, and
> >> discuss Essendon Bombers Kevin Sheedy's vision of Football fest 2000.

(big munch)

Quote:

> >>         -Soccer (two English Premier League Clubs will play)

> >Manchester United vs Liverpool?

> Arsenal would have to be considered here too.

I just picked my two favourite sides. Of course there would be others
considered. I _would_ like to see thse two play (with Manchester United
winning 3-2 with the final goal scored in the last minute)

Quote:

> In all a sound suggestion if we can get Jeff to go for it.

Put it in terms of dollars for Victoria and exposure for the state and the
man behind it (Jeff, of course) and he would probably do it.

All the best,

Chris
Geelong member and lover of Amy

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Chris Walk » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> snip

> > > Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting
> capital
> > > Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

> > Yeah! Let's show them which city is the _best_ city when it comes to
> sport!

> It could only happen here folks and the pity is that the good burgers of
> Melbourne will probably run with the idea. It says a lot about our unity
> and maturity. The real purpose of such an event of course, would be for the
> emotionally and culturally deprived southerners to try and showcase their
> laugh a minute, cross-country anarchy, known as Australian Football, which
> in over 100 years has been embraced nowhere but morbid Melbourne.

I'm slightly curious,

What game do you follow? Not the one where it's played in only two states
with any _real_ support and is owned by Messers Packer and Murdoch? Rugby
League will be dead in the next couple of years because of the
"SuperLeague" split while Aussie Rules will continue to grow and prosper
;-)

I'd say something like "Get back under your rock!" at this point but I'm
not that rude. I don't go picking fights with people by crossposting in
other Newsgroups (look of wide-eyed innocence).  

All the best,

Chris
Geelong member and lover of Amy

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Adam Ma » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00

On somedate, sometime, some idiot wrote;

[CUT info refering to football fest to be held in melb 2000]

Quote:
> > It could only happen here folks and the pity is that the good burgers of
> > Melbourne will probably run with the idea. It says a lot about our unity
> > and maturity. The real purpose of such an event of course, would be for the
> > emotionally and culturally deprived southerners to try and showcase their
> > laugh a minute, cross-country anarchy, known as Australian Football, which
> > in over 100 years has been embraced nowhere but morbid Melbourne.

Footy Fest 2000, we welcome you to melbourne.
Victoria... On the Move.... obviously the possibility of melbourne hosting
such an event is scarring the booglies out of Sydney.

Every night, when sydney siders get tucked in bed by mummy, when the
lights go out, they dream of having their very own jeff kennet.

Cat Attack 1997'

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Chris Walk » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> > Football fest 2000, is planned to be held in the world's sporting
> > capital
> > Melbourne, to coincide as competition for the sydney 2000 games.

> > Yeah! Let's show them which city is the _best_ city when it comes to
> > sport!

> In case you failed to notice. This is a Rugby League newsgroup.

I do apologise, but I did fail to notice. I thought I was was just
replying to the original post on the rec.sport.football.australian
newsgroup. I had no idea that the original was crossposted.

BTW, it did concern Rugby League to some extent, as it was talking about
_all_ football codes.

All the best,

Chris
Geelong member and lover of Amy

 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Steve Morri » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


>>A F1 venue (Brands Hatch).

>Hang on Steve, stretching the point a bit aren't we, BH is in Kent not London
>and its not hosted an F1 title race for years.

>>World class racecourses: Epsom and Ascot.

>And which London borough are these two in?

>Other than that, a point well made!

>Dave

Brands Hatch borders the junction of M20-M25

Epsom is down Kingston-Upon Thames way, Ascot, thats Windsor (5-10 miles
outside the M25.

Next you'll say Watford isn't London!!!!!11111
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Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Steve Morri » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
><SNIP>
>| I say forget competing with the Olympics, support Sydney and start
>| saving for an Olympic bid in 20-30 years time.
>|
>| Steve Morris

>Oooooooooooooohhhhhhh!!!!!,  How very cynical !! (or not)

>Steve

>:-]

Nope, how long before Australia get to host it again?
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                                                 your breath on Usenet"  
 
 
 

Football Fest 2000 Melb, Aust

Post by Steve Morri » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>On somedate, sometime, some idiot wrote;

>[CUT info refering to football fest to be held in melb 2000]
>> > It could only happen here folks and the pity is that the good burgers of
>> > Melbourne will probably run with the idea. It says a lot about our unity
>> > and maturity. The real purpose of such an event of course, would be for the
>> > emotionally and culturally deprived southerners to try and showcase their
>> > laugh a minute, cross-country anarchy, known as Australian Football, which
>> > in over 100 years has been embraced nowhere but morbid Melbourne.

>Footy Fest 2000, we welcome you to melbourne.
>Victoria... On the Move.... obviously the possibility of melbourne hosting
>such an event is scarring the booglies out of Sydney.

>Every night, when sydney siders get tucked in bed by mummy, when the
>lights go out, they dream of having their very own jeff kennet.

Sorry forgive me for treating this subject seriously.

I now realise its just some anti-city rivalry. Yep Sydney are planning
to swap the olympics for footy 2000 (willing to throw in the bridge and
opera house too).

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                                                 your breath on Usenet"