NRL Premiership - Round 12 Results

NRL Premiership - Round 12 Results

Post by Leigh Gillespi » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00


* Friday, May 29th 1998

   NEWCASTLE 20 def SYDNEY CITY 4 at Sydney Football Stadium
         Newcastle: Tries - Moodie, A Johns, Grogan
                    Goals - A Johns 4
         Sydney City: Tries - Sing
         Referee: B Harrigan
         Attendance: 15,786

   NORTH QUEENSLAND 36 def PENRITH 28 at Penrith Stadium
         North Queensland: Tries - Nadruku 3, Dunemann 2, Mercy, Shipway
                           Goals - Hannay 4
         Penrith: Tries - Girdler 2, Brown 2, Jorgensen
                  Goals - Girdler 4
         Referee: M Oaten
         Attendance: 8,685

* Saturday, May 30th 1998

   ST GEORGE 28 def BALMAIN 2 at Kogarah Oval
         St George: Tries - Coyne, Lenihan, Pearson, Treacy, Bartrim
                    Goals - Bartrim 4
         Balmain: Goals - Nevin
         Referee: S Hampstead
         Attendance: 14,002

   CRONULLA 16 def NORTH SYDNEY 12 at Shark Park
         Cronulla: Tries - Best, Howland, Treister
                   Goals - Healey 2
         North Sydney: Tries - Roy, Pethebridge
                       Goals - Taylor 2
         Referee: B Grant
         Attendance: 11,143

   PARRAMATTA 14 def AUCKLAND 6 at Parramatta Stadium
         Parramatta: Tries - Whereat 2, Barnes
                     Goals - Schifcofske
         Auckland: Tries - Kerney
                   Goals - Whittaker
         Referee: M Hewitt
         Attendance: 13,210

* Sunday, May 31st 1998

   MELBOURNE 62 def GOLD COAST 6 at Olympic Park, Melbourne
         Melbourne: Tries - Ross 2, Hill 2, Bai, Kimmorley, Marquet,
                            Nikau, Bawden, Williams, Martin
                    Goals - Martin 6, Kimmorley 2, Hill
         Gold Coast: Tries - Patten
                     Goals - Mackay
         Referee: P McBlane
         Attendance: ?,???

   CANBERRA 24 def BRISBANE 18 at Bruce Stadium, Canberra
         Canberra: Tries - Bainikolo, Pearson, Croker, Woolford
                   Goals - Furner 3, Pearson
         Brisbane: Tries - Sailor, Renouf, Gee
                   Goals - Lockyer 3
         Referee: S Clark
         Attendance 14,728

   ILLAWARRA 18 def SOUTH SYDNEY 12 at WIN Stadium, Wollongong
         Illawarra: Tries - McGregor, Barrett, Hart
                    Goals - Fitzgibbon 3
         South Sydney: Tries - Brasher, O'Neill
                       Goals - Forrest 2
         Referee: M Jadwat
         Attendance: 8,174

   CANTERBURY 28 def MANLY 2 at Belmore Sports Ground
         Canterbury: Tries - Fleming 2, G Hughes, Mears
                     Goals - Halligan 6
         Manly: Goals - Phillips
         Referee: E Ward
         Attendance: 10,152.

   WESTERN SUBURBS 36 def ADELAIDE 24 at Campbelltown Sports Ground
         Western Suburbs: Tries - Hodgson 3, Coxon 2, Ken McGuinness,
                                  Kevin McGuinness, Laing
                          Goals - Dynevor 2
         Adelaide: Tries - Bird, Appo, Bowen, Corvo, Hick
                   Goals - Appo 2
         Referee: S Chiddy
         Attendance: 6,392

* Points Table - After twelve rounds...

                   W  D  L   PF  PA Pts
 NEWCASTLE        10  -  2  280 167  20
 ST GEORGE        10  -  2  275 196  20
 MELBOURNE         9  1  2  314 174  19
 PARRAMATTA        9  -  3  244 160  18
 BRISBANE          8  -  4  336 180  16
 SYDNEY CITY       8  -  4  318 211  16
 NORTH SYDNEY      7  -  5  298 218  14
 CANBERRA          7  -  5  268 205  14
 CRONULLA          7  -  5  184 195  14
 CANTERBURY        6  -  6  258 202  12
 Balmain           6  -  6  205 207  12
 North Queensland  6  -  6  197 296  12
 Illawarra         5  1  6  226 262  11
 Penrith           4  -  8  292 300   8
 Auckland          4  -  8  190 269   8
 Manly             4  -  8  194 294   8
 Western Suburbs   3  -  9  224 331   6
 South Sydney      2  - 10  171 260   4
 Adelaide          2  - 10  163 320   4
 Gold Coast        2  - 10  142 352   4

Catchya round, Leigh

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Post by Brett Teagu » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>   MELBOURNE 62 def GOLD COAST 6 at Olympic Park, Melbourne
>                  Attendance: ?,???

The Telegraph had TBA, which seems rather strange. Daryl Bradfords
site lists it as 7,500. A nice neat figure.

Regards...Brett.

 
 
 

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Post by Matthew O'Neil » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> The Telegraph had TBA, which seems rather strange. Daryl Bradfords
> site lists it as 7,500. A nice neat figure.

> Regards...Brett.

If you read the match stats by Michael Westlake for the Telegraph he has
7,500 (approx) which both myself and Daryl would have used for the
crowds.

It seemed strange the the Crowds section in the Tele had no crowd but
the match review had a crowd posted.

Matthew.
http://www.rleague.com

 
 
 

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Post by Brett Teagu » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00

-The Telegraph had TBA, which seems rather strange. Daryl Bradfords
-site lists it as 7,500. A nice neat figure.

Quote:

>If you read the match stats by Michael Westlake for the Telegraph he
>has 7,500 (approx) which both myself and Daryl would have used for
>the crowds.
>It seemed strange the the Crowds section in the Tele had no crowd but
>the match review had a crowd posted.

Yeah, there it is, page 46:  Crowd: About 7,500.

What does "About" mean. Did they loose count or something.
Crowds are an important part of the criteria, how can a club
post a figure of "About" anything.

Regards...Brett.

 
 
 

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Post by Wade Singlet » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Yeah, there it is, page 46:  Crowd: About 7,500.

>What does "About" mean. Did they loose count or something.
>Crowds are an important part of the criteria, how can a club
>post a figure of "About" anything.

It stinks. They didn't post an "about" crowd for their first home game,
but now they're getting pathetic crowds they all of a sudden can't supply
an accurate figure? The bloke doing score updates for 2UE stated, in his
opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
should not be included in the criterea.

Regards,
Wade Singleton
Sydney, Australia
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Post by Mick » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
>should not be included in the criterea.

Crowd figures should be the biggest factor of the criteria.  If a club has
little support, why should it be kept in place of a club with greater
support?
 
 
 

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Post by Richard Edli » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> It stinks. They didn't post an "about" crowd for their first home game,
> but now they're getting pathetic crowds they all of a sudden can't supply
> an accurate figure? The bloke doing score updates for 2UE stated, in his
> opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
> should not be included in the criterea.

I agree that crowd figures should be exact if they're quoted in the
criteria.  Call me cynical but I think the Rabbitoh factor might have
something to do with your stand :)

Richard

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Post by AJ KIN » Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Can anyone explain to a Pom why the Storm are getting such poor gates after
their great start?

Facts rather than emotions, if that's OK.

Alf



Quote:

> >opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
> >should not be included in the criterea.

> Crowd figures should be the biggest factor of the criteria.  If a club
has
> little support, why should it be kept in place of a club with greater
> support?

 
 
 

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Post by Wade Singlet » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:


>>opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
>>should not be included in the criterea.

>Crowd figures should be the biggest factor of the criteria.  If a club has
>little support, why should it be kept in place of a club with greater
>support?

There are better ways to show how much support there is for clubs. Crowd
figures mean nothing and to the ignorant can be misleading. it is
interesting to note that Optus now have in place system to monitor
ratings, and I believe if RL is going to be a TV game then that is the
best way to gauge support for clubs.

Did you read Roy masters article in the SMH? I have posted it along with
this message. Please have a read.

Regards,
Wade Singleton
Sydney, Australia
___________________________________________________________________
          South Sydney District Rugby League Football Club
 * Established 1908 * Foundation Club * 1998 - 91 Seasons Strong *
     Rabbitohs Army Online - <http://rabbitohs.home.ml.org/>
          Official Web Site - <http://www.souths.com.au/>
___________________________________________________________________
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Post by Mick » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Can anyone explain to a Pom why the Storm are getting such poor gates after
>their great start?

Basically because they have to compete with AFL.  Even though the Storm can
schedule their matches on a day with no or little AFL games, it will come
down to economics in the end.  People probably cant afford to attend two
footy matches in  the one weekend.  And they will always go to the team
they've supported their whole life (you could expect nothing less).

Auckland saw this effect the weekend of the Anzac Test if you think back

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Co » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
> >should not be included in the criterea.

> Crowd figures should be the biggest factor of the criteria.  If a club has
> little support, why should it be kept in place of a club with greater
> support?

Personally I think crowd figures should be ignored in the criteria, it should
be based on gate takings and season ticketholders.  Who cares if a team can
get 30000, 15000 of which are on freebies?

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Post by andrew hal » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Crowd figures should be the biggest factor of the criteria.  If a club has
> > little support, why should it be kept in place of a club with greater
> > support?
> Personally I think crowd figures should be ignored in the criteria, it should
> be based on gate takings and season ticketholders.  Who cares if a team can
> get 30000, 15000 of which are on freebies?

That's right!  But of course n000 season tickets purchased by the
leagues club is a perfectly valid option, particularly if the club is
endevouring to get around the NRL restrictions on league club grants
(sarcastic mode off)

It would appear that we need some way of combining these two things
(gate takings and bums on seats) so as to get some proper measure of a
clubs support.

Andrew.
Go the Rams!

 
 
 

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Post by Daniel McCartn » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00


: >opinion, that the crowd would have been lucky to be 5,000. Crowd figures
: >should not be included in the criterea.

: Crowd figures should be the biggest factor of the criteria.  If a club has
: little support, why should it be kept in place of a club with greater
: support?

Agreed but what is the point of using crowd figures if clubs like, Auckland,
Adelaide and now Melbourne are posting "approximate" figures each week and
other clubs are posting what seem to be glaringly overstated figures.  How
is this fair to those clubs which are trying to do the right thing by
posting the correct figures each home game?

Daniel.

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Edli » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Wade proposed a Souths/Adelaide takeover (/merger).

One possible scenario could see most of the non-Sydney clubs being taken
over or merged with Sydney clubs (rather than rationalisation taking
place in Sydney, per se).  My guesses would be:

Brisbane                = Brisbane Broncos   (res: Brisbane)
Newcastle               = Newcastle Knights  (res: Metro Cup)
Auckland + Wests        = Auckland Warriors  (res: Metro Cup)

(Play in Black and White, reserve grade team as Wests in Metropolitan
Cup.  Nobody seems to advocate Auckland merging but I'd wonder whether
this would help Auckland's cause - they may add some legitimacy to their
cause by aligning with a Sydney ARL club.  I personally don't think the
Warriors can be swallowed up by Wests however for marketing reasons)

Souths + Adelaide       = South Australian Rabbitohs (res: Metro Cup)

Melbourne               = Melbourne Storm            (res: Brisbane)
North Queensland        = North Queensland Cowboys   (res: Brisbane)
Gold Coast + Balmain    = Brisbane Tigers            (res: Brisbane)
Canberra                = Canberra Raiders           (res: Metro Cup)
St George + Illawarra   = Illawarra Saints           (res: Metro Cup)
Manly                   = Manly Sea Eagles           (res: Metro Cup)
Cronulla + Canterbury   = Cronulla Bulldogs          (res: Metro Cup)
Parramatta + Penrith    = Parramatta Panthers        (res: Metro Cup)
Sydney City             = Sydney City Roosters       (res: Metro Cup)

This gives only 4 "true" Sydney teams, 6 if you count the Bears and
Illawarra.  Add in the second Brisbane team, South Australia and
Auckland and we effectively have 9 teams with some Sydney afilliations.

Richard

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