INDEPENDENT AND BOB DWYERS SNIDE ANTI RL COMMENTS

INDEPENDENT AND BOB DWYERS SNIDE ANTI RL COMMENTS

Post by CwEwSw » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00


In this morning's Independent(sic), Leicester RU coach says " The one
thing Rugby Unin has over every other game is its multi dimensional
aspect...by comparison Rugby League is terribly one dimensional  and if
the only way you can win is by banging the ball in the air you have
achieved nothing." Apart from this being utter bollocks, what right has
this man to denigrate another sport in this way? If you think the same or
have other perspectives on this the  e mail address of the Independent

I would like to ram tha paper down the pillock's arrogant throat myself.
chris westwood.
Rec Sport Rugby League

 
 
 

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Post by S.M.Ma.. » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I totally agree!
Anyway, I thought that R.Union was only won by "banging the ball in the
air"? (Oh, and penalties!)
Suzanne

 
 
 

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Post by Mugwu » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>In this morning's Independent(sic), Leicester RU coach says " The one
>thing Rugby Unin has over every other game is its multi dimensional
>aspect...by comparison Rugby League is terribly one dimensional  and if
>the only way you can win is by banging the ball in the air you have
>achieved nothing." Apart from this being utter bollocks, what right has
>this man to denigrate another sport in this way? If you think the same or
>have other perspectives on this the  e mail address of the Independent

>I would like to ram tha paper down the pillock's arrogant throat myself.

Don't rise to the bait buddy - thats what they want.

Bob Dwyer can say what he likes but the simple fact of the matter is
that if RU (I am talking about the club variety) was so good people
would be flocking from miles around to watch it.

They aren't.

Look at Newcastle's gate figures and consider the money they have
spent.

Personally I don't give two hoots about columnists whether they
come from RU or RL.

They are all equally biased.

Remember these people are **paid** to be controversial.

Most of the time it is all an act.

I remember Brian Moore once giving RL a right going over in some
rag (the name eludes me), three weeks later he was appearing on
Boots and All saying that he enjoyed watching RL.

My advice is - stick to reading the RL sections and don't bother
with columnists.

Mugwump.

Quote:
>chris westwood.
>Rec Sport Rugby League

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Post by Steve Morri » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>In this morning's Independent(sic), Leicester RU coach says " The one
>thing Rugby Unin has over every other game is its multi dimensional
>aspect...by comparison Rugby League is terribly one dimensional  and if
>the only way you can win is by banging the ball in the air you have
>achieved nothing." Apart from this being utter bollocks, what right has
>this man to denigrate another sport in this way? If you think the same or
>have other perspectives on this the  e mail address of the Independent

>I would like to ram tha paper down the pillock's arrogant throat myself.
>chris westwood.
>Rec Sport Rugby League

OK I'm not going to support what Bob has said but....
Union is multi dimensional compared tp League that is its strength and
weakness, what other sport can accomodate the sort of physical specimens
that you find a RU field.

Look at it in context Bob is hurting real bad at the moment.

--
Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


>(CwEwSwMw) says:

>>In this morning's Independent(sic), Leicester RU coach says " The one
>>thing Rugby Unin has over every other game is its multi dimensional
>>aspect...by comparison Rugby League is terribly one dimensional  and if
>>the only way you can win is by banging the ball in the air you have
>>achieved nothing." Apart from this being utter bollocks, what right has
>>this man to denigrate another sport in this way? If you think the same or
>>have other perspectives on this the  e mail address of the Independent

>>I would like to ram tha paper down the pillock's arrogant throat myself.

>Don't rise to the bait buddy - thats what they want.

>Bob Dwyer can say what he likes but the simple fact of the matter is
>that if RU (I am talking about the club variety) was so good people
>would be flocking from miles around to watch it.

>They aren't.

To be fair Leicester Tigers get good crowds upto 16,000 for the big home
games and they can take 35,000 away to cup finals.

Quote:
>Look at Newcastle's gate figures and consider the money they have
>spent.

Newcastle is madness they must be at least five years away from making
any kind of profit.

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Quote:

>Personally I don't give two hoots about columnists whether they
>come from RU or RL.

>They are all equally biased.

>Remember these people are **paid** to be controversial.

>Most of the time it is all an act.

>I remember Brian Moore once giving RL a right going over in some
>rag (the name eludes me), three weeks later he was appearing on
>Boots and All saying that he enjoyed watching RL.

>My advice is - stick to reading the RL sections and don't bother
>with columnists.

>Mugwump.

I wish I could find a ***y write up of the London game tried three
papers without success today.
--
Steve Morris
 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Lon » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00

The RU coach is bitter - his team threw away the title & they got a good
thrashing by Bath.

RL is a better game - its a class thing and most RU people are ignorant
of the complexity of the great game.

Another thing - where is the passion in club RU ??

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Peter Davie » Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> In this morning's Independent(sic), Leicester RU coach says " The one
> thing Rugby Unin has over every other game is its multi dimensional
> aspect...

If multi dimensional means "we've got rucks, mauls, lineouts" then
i suppose that's true. I don't think that gives them an advantage
over any other game let alone RL which removed those uncivilised
aspects.

Quote:
> ... by comparison Rugby League is terribly one dimensional  and if
> the only way you can win is by banging the ball in the air you have
> achieved nothing."

Well i agree that bombs are ugly and no way to decide a game and
we could do a few things to improve that aspect of RL but it isn't
the only thing and he knows it. All we have to do is point out
that our game dropped those aspects in favour of running, passing,
tackling and kicking which by his own argument occur less in RU.

This "achieved nothing" is interesting. I wonder what he means.
It's ironic that he said this when he must have been sick of people
in Sydney telling him that RU was boring cos of all that kicking
in general play.

Would you say to a Soccer fan "if the only way you can win is by
banging the ball into the net you have achieved nothing." and
expect agreement. Did he say anything else?  

Quote:
> Apart from this being utter bollocks, what right has
> this man to denigrate another sport in this way?

Freedom of speech. Anyway it shows that he's scratching
around for some real advantages. Didn't these people try
to ignore the game of RL before this?

Quote:
> If you think the same or
> have other perspectives on this the  e mail address of the Independent


What was the date?

Quote:
> I would like to ram tha paper down the pillock's arrogant throat myself.

Don't get angry. Just point out to him that RU would be better
if they dropped those multi dimensional aspects that civilised
people the world over have shunned.

Quote:
> chris westwood.
> Rec Sport Rugby League

Peter Davies
 
 
 

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00

: To be fair Leicester Tigers get good crowds upto 16,000 for the big home
: games and they can take 35,000 away to cup finals.

To be fairer:

The Tigers are the best supported club in English RU and are averaging
just short of 11,000 this year.

The top four supported clubs in SL are beating that at the moment with
the business end of the season and the high drawing games against the
Aussies still to come. My club Bradford are currently averaging 14,600
per game and with the Bradford v Saints game to come at the weekend (if
there's less than 20,000 there I'll be disappointed) that can only rise.

--
Chris Russell           | Bradford Bulls - Wembley 1997
Electronic Imaging Unit |
University of Bradford  | Tough on St.Helens
TEL: +44 1274 385463    | Tough on the causes of St.Helens.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Thu, 08 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>: To be fair Leicester Tigers get good crowds upto 16,000 for the big home
>: games and they can take 35,000 away to cup finals.

>To be fairer:

What makes your statement fairer, is there any factual inaccuracies in
my comments????

The fact that RU crowds at some Courage one clubs are so poor is part of
the reason why Tigers gates are as low as 11,000 how many supporters do
Sale, Orrell, London Irish et all take away??? significantly less than
SL clubs.

Quote:
>The Tigers are the best supported club in English RU and are averaging
>just short of 11,000 this year.

>The top four supported clubs in SL are beating that at the moment with
>the business end of the season and the high drawing games against the
>Aussies still to come. My club Bradford are currently averaging 14,600
>per game and with the Bradford v Saints game to come at the weekend (if
>there's less than 20,000 there I'll be disappointed) that can only rise.

Bradford are a well supported club, I also see that gates at Leeds,
Saints and London are up on last year.

If my memory serves me correctly the original posting that I responded
to was something of a generalisation, I merely wanted to highlight the
fact that some Union games attract reasonable crowds.

I hope we are not going to get into the Legaue is better cos more
Bradford get big crowds argrument again!!!

If that's so then the US car racing that attracts 100,000 regularly must
be the best sport then

Quote:
>--
>Chris Russell           | Bradford Bulls - Wembley 1997
>Electronic Imaging Unit |
>University of Bradford  | Tough on St.Helens
>TEL: +44 1274 385463    | Tough on the causes of St.Helens.

so there

Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by Vibrating Bum-Faced Goa » Thu, 08 May 1997 04:00:00




: >
: >: To be fair Leicester Tigers get good crowds upto 16,000 for the big home
: >: games and they can take 35,000 away to cup finals.
: >
: >To be fairer:
: >
: What makes your statement fairer, is there any factual inaccuracies in
: my comments????

Figure of speech, sorry.

: The fact that RU crowds at some Courage one clubs are so poor is part of
: the reason why Tigers gates are as low as 11,000 how many supporters do
: Sale, Orrell, London Irish et all take away??? significantly less than
: SL clubs.

Yeah... But then how many do London Broncos take with them when they hit
the road. Not many I bet but Bradford got over 15,000 for that game.

Bradford's first 'well supported' club (a term which for the sake of
argument I'm defining here as a club likely to finish top five and who've
been around for over 10 years) play at Odsal on Sunday. A desire amongst
Bradfordians to see similar 'revenge' to that meeted out last season, a
decent Saints following plus the neutrals wanting to see the top two
sides play each other should see a crowd in excess of 20,000 this
weekend. I'd consider anything less to be a failure.

: >The Tigers are the best supported club in English RU and are averaging
: >just short of 11,000 this year.
: >
: >The top four supported clubs in SL are beating that at the moment with
: >the business end of the season and the high drawing games against the
: >Aussies still to come. My club Bradford are currently averaging 14,600
: >per game and with the Bradford v Saints game to come at the weekend (if
: >there's less than 20,000 there I'll be disappointed) that can only rise.
: >
: Bradford are a well supported club, I also see that gates at Leeds,
: Saints and London are up on last year.

I think only Wigan and Cas' are down on last year. There maybe one other
club but I don't recall who it is.

: If my memory serves me correctly the original posting that I responded
: to was something of a generalisation, I merely wanted to highlight the
: fact that some Union games attract reasonable crowds.

: I hope we are not going to get into the Legaue is better cos more
: Bradford get big crowds argrument again!!!

Not at all. Just presenting the other side to the argument. I missed the
original post and had to stick my twopenneth in.

While we're on the subject though... :^)

Bradford's crowds are up by over 50% on the same period last year, a
period which saw a greater than 100% rise on the year before that. The
overall rise in SL attendances this year has been 15% if you compare
Salford's crowds to last year's relegated club, Workington.

: If that's so then the US car racing that attracts 100,000 regularly must
: be the best sport then

So, as I said in another post, does US College Football. Big deal. We're
talking about Rugby crowds of either code in the UK.

--
Chris Russell           | Bradford Bulls - Wembley 1997
Electronic Imaging Unit |
University of Bradford  | Tough on St.Helens
TEL: +44 1274 385463    | Tough on the causes of St.Helens.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Sat, 10 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:




>: >
>: >: To be fair Leicester Tigers get good crowds upto 16,000 for the big home
>: >: games and they can take 35,000 away to cup finals.
>: >
>: >To be fairer:
>: >
>: What makes your statement fairer, is there any factual inaccuracies in
>: my comments????

>Figure of speech, sorry.

>: The fact that RU crowds at some Courage one clubs are so poor is part of
>: the reason why Tigers gates are as low as 11,000 how many supporters do
>: Sale, Orrell, London Irish et all take away??? significantly less than
>: SL clubs.

>Yeah... But then how many do London Broncos take with them when they hit
>the road. Not many I bet but Bradford got over 15,000 for that game.

Wot the mighty London travelling army

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Quote:

>Bradford's first 'well supported' club (a term which for the sake of
>argument I'm defining here as a club likely to finish top five and who've
>been around for over 10 years) play at Odsal on Sunday. A desire amongst
>Bradfordians to see similar 'revenge' to that meeted out last season, a
>decent Saints following plus the neutrals wanting to see the top two
>sides play each other should see a crowd in excess of 20,000 this
>weekend. I'd consider anything less to be a failure.

>: >The Tigers are the best supported club in English RU and are averaging
>: >just short of 11,000 this year.
>: >
>: >The top four supported clubs in SL are beating that at the moment with
>: >the business end of the season and the high drawing games against the
>: >Aussies still to come. My club Bradford are currently averaging 14,600
>: >per game and with the Bradford v Saints game to come at the weekend (if
>: >there's less than 20,000 there I'll be disappointed) that can only rise.
>: >

Bradford are on the crest of a wave and I wish them every success, I
think they have worked *** and off the field. But the assumption
that gates can only increase must be a value judgement rather than a
logical statements.

What matter it if RFU get upto  150,000 ticket applications  for every
home five nations game.

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Quote:
>: Bradford are a well supported club, I also see that gates at Leeds,
>: Saints and London are up on last year.

>I think only Wigan and Cas' are down on last year. There maybe one other
>club but I don't recall who it is.

>: If my memory serves me correctly the original posting that I responded
>: to was something of a generalisation, I merely wanted to highlight the
>: fact that some Union games attract reasonable crowds.

>: I hope we are not going to get into the Legaue is better cos more
>: Bradford get big crowds argrument again!!!

>Not at all. Just presenting the other side to the argument. I missed the
>original post and had to stick my twopenneth in.

>While we're on the subject though... :^)

>Bradford's crowds are up by over 50% on the same period last year, a
>period which saw a greater than 100% rise on the year before that. The
>overall rise in SL attendances this year has been 15% if you compare
>Salford's crowds to last year's relegated club, Workington.

>: If that's so then the US car racing that attracts 100,000 regularly must
>: be the best sport then

>So, as I said in another post, does US College Football. Big deal. We're
>talking about Rugby crowds of either code in the UK.

SL crowds are up good, more people watch rugby league good, Bradford get
15,000 crowds great.....

Other than stating the obvious what is your point

I would guess that RL crowds have always been greater than RU crowds at
club level. Remember RU has had one year of professionalism and RL a
hundred and one.

Some RU clubs can attract good support (Leicester Tigers in particular)
as I already stated on this group there must have been 35,000 Leicester
fans at the European Cup Final at Cardiff Arms; and as we have both now
said some RL clubs have a 10,000 plus average gate.  

Steve Morris

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Morri » Wed, 14 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:



>: SL crowds are up good, more people watch rugby league good, Bradford get
>: 15,000 crowds great.....

>: Other than stating the obvious what is your point

>I can't remember. :)

>I'm sure I did have one, and I bet it was really biting and full of wit
>too, but 'll be ***ed if I know what it is now.

You can't be botherd to pick on London since you beat Saints
--
Steve Morris