This is stoopid-UNL's place in the polls...AP Poll is a total joke!

This is stoopid-UNL's place in the polls...AP Poll is a total joke!

Post by ppb.. » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:12:37


Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in the
AP Poll released on Sunday. When FSU loses by 3 points to Miami on the
road, they fall from 1 to 7 in the AP Poll, but Nebraska loses by 17
points but they drop only to 5 in the AP Poll. How many AP pollsters
graduated from Lincoln, Nebraska? If there was any consistency, which
there isn't, Nebraska would have fallen to 9 or 10, or out of the top
10. Oh yeah, remember the 1994 season where the coaches and media teamed
up to give Osborne a national championship, and shut out Joe Pa's
Nittany Lion team, which played arguably a tougher schedule, and was
also undefeated...that's what happens when you vote for a national
champion.

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Post by Jeffrey Roger » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:26:01

Quote:

>Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in the
>AP Poll released on Sunday. When FSU loses by 3 points to Miami on the
>road, they fall from 1 to 7 in the AP Poll, but Nebraska loses by 17
>points but they drop only to 5 in the AP Poll. How many AP pollsters
>graduated from Lincoln, Nebraska?

Ummmm, did you take a look at the results of the Miami-UW game, or is
that completely unknown news to you?

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Post by merrym82 » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:29:44

Quote:

>Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in the
>AP Poll released on Sunday.

Gee, do you think when the Huskers beat the Sooners for the Big-12 title, it
will place us at #2?  :-P

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Post by Vijay Ramanuja » Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:38:03

Quote:

> Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in the
> AP Poll released on Sunday. When FSU loses by 3 points to Miami on the
> road, they fall from 1 to 7 in the AP Poll, but Nebraska loses by 17
> points but they drop only to 5 in the AP Poll. How many AP pollsters
> graduated from Lincoln, Nebraska?

I hope you're joking. This logic is absolutely terrible.
Example: If #1 loses the season opener how far should they fall?
         If #1 loses in a bowl game, how far should they fall?

The later in the season, the shorter the fall. In general, that's how it
should be.

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Post by ppb.. » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:14:04


Quote:

> Ummmm, did you take a look at the results of the Miami-UW game, or is
> that completely unknown news to you?

I know Washington won by 5 points, and their only loss was to Oregon,
who is also top 10 in both polls (AP: 7 Coaches Poll: 10). Washington is
number 9 in both polls. So losing to a top 10 team (Washington) by 5
points (Miami) on the road is worthy of a lower spot than losing by 17
points to a top 3 team (Oklahoma) on the road. Washington dominated the
time of possession in that game, but if you look at first downs, rushing
yards and passing yards, the numbers are fairly close, as the score
would indicate. Washington is no chump team, but a team that still has a
shot at the Rose Bowl, but Oregon will have to lose a conference game
sooner or later. :>)

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Post by ppb.. » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:16:03



Quote:
>Gee, do you think *if* the Huskers beat the Sooners for the Big-12
>title, it  will place us at #2?  :-P

Knowing how AP votes, it will place the Huskers at number one if it
happens, I corrected the operational word for ya...HTH.

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Post by ppb.. » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:22:52



Quote:
> I hope you're joking. This logic is absolutely terrible.
> Example: If #1 loses the season opener how far should they fall?

It depends on quality of opposition and how badly they lose. The worse
they lose to the worst opposition, the more they drop.
Let's have a few case scenarios.
A) They lose to a good team by a close margin (7 points or less)
B) They get blown out by a good team.
C) They lose a close game to a not so good team.
D) They get blown by a a not so good team.

Obviously D should drop them the farthest, and A should drop them the
fewest spots, but B and C are arguments that they should drop farther
than A but not as much as scenario D.

Quote:
>          If #1 loses in a bowl game, how far should they fall?

See above.

Look at the margin of victory. Oklahoma whipped Nebraska after the first
quarter like the Huskers have done usually to other teams throughout the
years. My point is FSU gets penalized by dropping to seven for losing a
game they lost in the last minute of the game if I remember correctly.
While Nebraska, who doesn't have a prayer after the game was decided in
the third quarter only drops to five in AP and six in ESPN/USA Today.

Quote:
>The later in the season, the shorter the fall. In general, that's how
>it should be.
> Vijay R.

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Post by Doug Sorense » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:43:21

Quote:

> Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in the
> AP Poll released on Sunday. When FSU loses by 3 points to Miami on the
> road, they fall from 1 to 7 in the AP Poll, but Nebraska loses by 17
> points but they drop only to 5 in the AP Poll. How many AP pollsters
> graduated from Lincoln, Nebraska? If there was any consistency, which
> there isn't, Nebraska would have fallen to 9 or 10, or out of the top
> 10. Oh yeah, remember the 1994 season where the coaches and media teamed
> up to give Osborne a national championship, and shut out Joe Pa's
> Nittany Lion team, which played arguably a tougher schedule, and was
> also undefeated...that's what happens when you vote for a national
> champion.

Who below #5/6 would you place ahead of them. The all have losses to teams
inferior to OU. (I suppose UW has the best argument based on this logic.)

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by Jefferson Glapsk » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:42:51



Quote:
> > Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in
the
> > AP Poll released on Sunday. When FSU loses by 3 points to Miami on
the
> > road, they fall from 1 to 7 in the AP Poll, but Nebraska loses by 17
> > points but they drop only to 5 in the AP Poll. How many AP pollsters
> > graduated from Lincoln, Nebraska? If there was any consistency,
which
> > there isn't, Nebraska would have fallen to 9 or 10, or out of the
top
> > 10. Oh yeah, remember the 1994 season where the coaches and media
teamed
> > up to give Osborne a national championship, and shut out Joe Pa's
> > Nittany Lion team, which played arguably a tougher schedule, and was

                                    ^^^^^^^^

You misplet invariably.

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Post by Vijay Ramanuja » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:57:08

Quote:



> > I hope you're joking. This logic is absolutely terrible.
> > Example: If #1 loses the season opener how far should they fall?

> It depends on quality of opposition and how badly they lose. The worse
> they lose to the worst opposition, the more they drop.

You are obviously not getting my point.

Say you're in a math class and you've aced the first test - top grade in
the class. Now, if you fail test #2, where do you think your class rank
is going to be? Pretty far down the list. OTOH, if you ace tests #1-#5
and are ranked #1 in the class when you fail the 6th test, what do you
think you're class rank is going to be? A lot better than the Week 3
rank of the guy who failed his 2nd test.

Why? When FSU lost to Miami, there were many more teams that could make
a claim to that high ranking. As they dropped and dropped, two things
happened: FSU moved back up AND the distance between the elite and these
pretenders narrowed.

So, when UNL loses later in the season (margin, location, opponent
aside) the drop is going to be less.

For christ's sake, FSU has lost once and UNL has lost once, and UNL is
ranked behind FSU. UNL's opponent is higher ranked, but the margin was
greater, so this seems pretty fair.

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Post by Doug Sorense » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:22:31


Quote:




> > > 10. Oh yeah, remember the 1994 season where the coaches and media
> teamed
> > > up to give Osborne a national championship, and shut out Joe Pa's
> > > Nittany Lion team, which played arguably a tougher schedule, and was
>                                     ^^^^^^^^

> You misplet invariably.

OINP

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Post by gibso.. » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:16:49


Quote:

> Nebraska only falls to six in the USA Today/ESPN poll and fifth in the
> AP Poll released on Sunday. When FSU loses by 3 points to Miami on the
> road, they fall from 1 to 7 in the AP Poll, but Nebraska loses by 17
> points but they drop only to 5 in the AP Poll. How many AP pollsters
> graduated from Lincoln, Nebraska? If there was any consistency, which
> there isn't, Nebraska would have fallen to 9 or 10, or out of the top
> 10. Oh yeah, remember the 1994 season where the coaches and media teamed
> up to give Osborne a national championship, and shut out Joe Pa's
> Nittany Lion team, which played arguably a tougher schedule, and was
> also undefeated...that's what happens when you vote for a national
> champion.

And Nebraska only falls to #4 in BCS. Bullshit!

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Post by paul_b1.. » Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:13:04


Quote:

> And Nebraska only falls to #4 in BCS. Bullshit!

Well, they have played Notre Dame, a top 25 team, and San Jose State, a
fairly decent football team and of course, the Sooners,but they have
games left with unranked Kansas and Colorado and ranked Kansas State.

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Post by ppb.. » Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:11:16



Quote:

> You are obviously not getting my point.
>Say you're in a math class and you've aced the first test - top grade
>in the class. Now, if you fail test #2, where do you think your class
>rank is going to be? Pretty far down the list.

That's deceiving...unless you're assuming test #2 is weighted the same
as test #1, and it's relative to how the others in that class performed
on that test. If everyone else did roughly the same overall for both
tests, it's hard to say who's number one.

Quote:
>OTOH, if you ace tests #1-#5 and are ranked #1 in the class when you
>fail the 6th test, what do you  think you're class rank is going to be?

Not enough information to deduce a conclusion from the circumstances
presented. Someone who scored lower overall on the first 5 exams, still
has the opportunity to overtake the person you mentioned, because the
person failed the 6th test, because the second person's range is not as
varied as the first person's. Consistency is usually good, unless it
means consistently awful.

Quote:
>A lot better than the Week 3 rank of the guy who failed his 2nd test.
>Why? When FSU lost to Miami, there were many more teams that could
>make a claim to that high ranking. As they dropped and dropped, two
>thing happened: FSU moved back up AND the distance between the elite
>and these  pretenders narrowed.

The difference is people know FSU is a national titlecontender, and
Miami came off probation, so they had arguably their best shot at Miami
since the mid 1990s. Another thing is Miami's loss was a close road loss
to a high caliber football team, Washington, whose only loss was to
Oregon, and Oregon has the inside track on the Rose Bowl along with
Purdue the last time I checked. FSU's team this year wasn't probably as
good as the 1999 version, but it wasn't too far off.

Quote:
>So, when UNL loses later in the season (margin, location, opponent
>aside) the drop is going to be less.

That makes no sense at all. Interestingly, I believe it was yesterday or
the day before where Jim Rome talked about how the Big XII championship
game could hurt that conference. Ask Kansas State and Nebraska about the
game, when they had chances to win the national title in certain years,
but lost in the Big XII championship game. The same thing may or may not
happen to Oklahoma, which was a mediocre team as recently as two years
ago.

Quote:
>For christ's sake, FSU has lost once and UNL has lost once, and UNL is
>ranked behind FSU. UNL's opponent is higher ranked, but the margin was
>greater, so this seems pretty fair.

You would think so, but when Kansas loses by only one point greater than
Nebraska did in Norman, you have to start to believe this year's
Nebraska team is getting help from the pollsters and the BCS standings.
This Nebraska team is nowhere as good as previous Nebraska team. Of
course the 1995 Huskers may be the best college football team in NCAA
history. This team is merely a good team, but not a great one. The only
impressive win was their opener against San Jose State. Notre Dame was a
good win, but they were lucky to get in on that third down gamble,
because that was a game they could have easily lost.

Quote:
> Vijay R.

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Post by ppb.. » Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:17:22



Quote:
>Who below #5/6 would you place ahead of them. The all have losses to
>teams inferior to OU. (I suppose UW has the best argument based on this
logic.)

> Doug

Well, look at this way. When FSU dropped, they were behind Nebraska,
***ia Tech,Miami,Clemson,Florida and one other school I think, and
there wasn't a ruckus raised there. If you use that logic, then TCU
should be the number two or number three team in the country, depending
on whether or not you think ***ia Tech is a better football team then
they are. I would rate Nebraska behind Oregon, who is probably the best
team in a very competitive Pac-10, and whose only loss was to Wisconsin,
when Wisconsin was thought of as a Rose Bowl and potential national
title contender threat. I would rate Oregon ahead of Washington.

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