Yeah, Phil Rizzuto was a Nice Guy...

Yeah, Phil Rizzuto was a Nice Guy...

Post by Jon Ensli » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:02:49


...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
contemporaries.

I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
in the Hall.

Jon

 
 
 

Yeah, Phil Rizzuto was a Nice Guy...

Post by Dan Brett » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:11:19


Quote:
> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> contemporaries.

I won't argue Rizzuto with you since I also don't think he was HOF
caliber...but he gets in I guess because he was the shortstop on 7
World Series Champions.
Quote:

> I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
> in the Hall.

Santo was a better hitter than three other third ba*** in the hall
of fame (Pie Traynor, Jimmy Collins and Brooks Robinson) and he won 5
gold gloves...he also is 8th on the games played at 3rd base list.  He
belongs in the HOF.

Dan

 
 
 

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Post by hoove » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:08:48

he played in 9 WS and was a critical part of that team - guess he should
have injected steroids huh


Quote:
> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> contemporaries.

> I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
> in the Hall.

> Jon


 
 
 

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Post by Kokopel » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:13:09

Quote:

> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> contemporaries.

> I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> in.  

Yankee:HoF::Italian:Canonization

Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo

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> in the Hall.

You lost me here. Ron Santo was the best offensive third baseman of his
generation. He's been overshadowed by Brooks Robinson, but if you adjust
his numbers to the hitless nature of the mid-late 60s, the arguments for
him not being in fall apart.

Santo should have gone in years ago.
dw

 
 
 

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Post by tom_sawye.. » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:56:27


Quote:
> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> contemporaries.

> I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
> in the Hall.

> Jon

You forgot that he led the league in "outs" one year.

The local radio sports station was going down the list of his
accomplishments and agrees...they wonder what he was doing in the
Hall, given that he was passed over 10+ years in each category.

 
 
 

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Post by Jon Ensli » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:56:53


Quote:

> > ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> > He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> > above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> > contemporaries.

> > I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> > large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> > in.  

> Yankee:HoF::Italian:Canonization

> Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo

> > in the Hall.

> You lost me here. Ron Santo was the best offensive third baseman of his
> generation. He's been overshadowed by Brooks Robinson, but if you adjust
> his numbers to the hitless nature of the mid-late 60s, the arguments for
> him not being in fall apart.

> Santo should have gone in years ago.

I don't agree. Good fielder.  Better than average hitter, but nothing
special.  Kind of like a more consistant Adrian Beltre.

But more to the point, the Cubs, WGN, etc. have been rather pathetic
in their attempts to get him in the Hall...including showing videos of
him in his handicapped state.

Jon

 
 
 

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Post by John Roger » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:43:11

A flute without holes, is not a flute, Jon Enslin

Quote:
>...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

This can be explained in three simple letters: N Y Y

If Dale Murphy had played for the Yankees, he'd have been inducted
years ago.

John Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
The Nail Gun of Quiet Reflection
Deacon Dr. John Flow

"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role
in the decisions I make." (Paris Hilton)

 
 
 

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Post by barch.. » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:53:15


Quote:

> > ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> > He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> > above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> > contemporaries.

> > I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> > large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> > in.

> Yankee:HoF::Italian:Canonization

> Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo

> > in the Hall.

> You lost me here. Ron Santo was the best offensive third baseman of his
> generation. He's been overshadowed by Brooks Robinson, but if you adjust
> his numbers to the hitless nature of the mid-late 60s, the arguments for
> him not being in fall apart.

> Santo should have gone in years ago.
> dw

When the Veterans Committee elected Pee Wee Reese, the moaning of "Why
not Phil" by he and his supporters reached fever pitch. So they
eventually gave in. Most shortstop HOF don't measure up to the career
of Allen Trammell.
 
 
 

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Post by OrangeDoo » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:16:04


Quote:
> A flute without holes, is not a flute, Jon Enslin

> >...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> This can be explained in three simple letters: N Y Y

> If Dale Murphy had played for the Yankees, he'd have been inducted
> years ago.

Paul Freakin' O'neil
 
 
 

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Post by OrangeDoo » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:17:13


Quote:
> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

Mmmmmm, shiny! ($1)

Why wasn't this x-poasted? C'mon, git with the damb program here,
slacker.

Cheers,
--Jeff

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Brett » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:42:15


Quote:
> A flute without holes, is not a flute, Jon Enslin

> >...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> This can be explained in three simple letters: N Y Y

> If Dale Murphy had played for the Yankees, he'd have been inducted
> years ago.

That must explain why Don Mattingly is in the Hall of Fame....

Dan

 
 
 

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Post by Archie Leac » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:47:25

Quote:



>> > ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

>> > He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
>> > above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
>> > contemporaries.

>> > I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
>> > large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
>> > in.

>> Yankee:HoF::Italian:Canonization

>> Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo

>> > in the Hall.

>> You lost me here. Ron Santo was the best offensive third baseman of his
>> generation. He's been overshadowed by Brooks Robinson, but if you adjust
>> his numbers to the hitless nature of the mid-late 60s, the arguments for
>> him not being in fall apart.

>> Santo should have gone in years ago.
>> dw

>When the Veterans Committee elected Pee Wee Reese, the moaning of "Why
>not Phil" by he and his supporters reached fever pitch. So they
>eventually gave in. Most shortstop HOF don't measure up to the career
>of Allen Trammell.

Or even Alan Trammell.
 
 
 

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Post by Jefferson N. Glapsk » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:33:17


Quote:
> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> contemporaries.

> I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
> in the Hall.

You could argue Rizzuto based on things he did as a non-player.

Santo is a better 3b than Brooks Robinson.

 
 
 

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Post by Jon Ensli » Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:45:40

On Aug 15, 12:33 am, "Jefferson N. Glapski"

Quote:



> > ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> > He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> > above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> > contemporaries.

> > I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> > large media market, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting
> > in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
> > in the Hall.

> You could argue Rizzuto based on things he did as a non-player.

Things he did as a "non-player?"  Shit.  I'm a nice guy...I watch
baseball occasionally.  Maybe I should get in too!!!

Jon

 
 
 

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Post by miander.. » Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:00:48


Quote:
> ...but seriously, what the hell is he doing in the HoF???

> He batted over .300 two years, none after 1950.  His fielding was
> above average, but I thought he would have been behind his
> contemporaries.

> I think this is clearly the case of a player that everyone likes, in a
> large media market

the story of his candidacy(and election) has been/had been written
about to death literally hundreds of times over the last twenty
years.  Bill James wrote what I thought was the best analysis of the
situation in his book on the hall of fame.  One of the biggest
arguments for Rizzuto(other than all the championships and legendary
players like williams and dimaggio vouching for him) was the pee wee
reese connection.  They played the same position in the same city at
the exact same time....for that reason they will always be compared
and seen as similar because in some ways they were similar types of
players.  They were both of fairly small stature, both known as
clubhouse leaders on successful teams, both known to be good at doing
the "little things".........so the argument goes-  how can you have
pee wee in the hof(by the veterans committee) and not have scooter
in?  Well the answer is that pee wee was a better player.....he hit
for more power and produced more runs than scooter.  That's why reese
should(imo) be in the hof and rizzuto shouldn't have.

, with an "aw shucks" broadcasting style, getting

Quote:
> in.  Kind of like the pathetic attempts by the Cubs to get Ron Santo
> in the Hall.

whoa....this is the first time I've ever heard someone come down on
the same side in terms of rizzuto and santo.  Usually people who
believe rizzuto shouldn't be in(based on the numbers) believe that
santo is the most deserving member left out there(based on the
numbers)......

Ron Santo isn't really even a borderline hof selection.  He's the 4th
or 5th greatest third baseman ever(going by already retired
players)......how in the world the 4th or 5th best third baseman ever
isn't in the hof is puzzling.

Schmidt, Mathews, and Brett are the three clearly above him imo.

After that...you could make an argument for frank baker and boggs.  At
the absolute worst he's the 6th greatest third baseman ever(and I
really have a hard time taking boggs or baker over him).  The 6th best
player in the history of mlb at their position should be in the hof.

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> Jon