sunday school/bible school judged.......

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by miander.. » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:38:37


Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
that I had a lot of work to do later today so I'd have to skip out on
worship service, but she seemed really pleased when I agreed to go last
night........

It's a catholic church and she claimed it was pretty open and they were
fairly progressive for a church in the deep south, but when we drive
through the parking lot a W sticker is on every other car.  I point
this out and she says "well michael I didn't say it was the
aclu....besides I know of at least one person you can stand who voted
for Bush"

So we get there pretty early, which is apparently the norm because
everyone in the bible class apparently knows each other fairly well and
likes to chat before the lesson starts.  They all start making small
talk and gossipping and as it turns out twentysomething catholics
gossip about anything and anybody.  There isn't much that is off
limits.  Most of it is boring, and I'm wishing the orange juice in my
hand could magically turn into a screwdriver, when someone talks about
how great it is that one of the women in another sunday school class
was finally able to concieve a child with her husband.....what will be
her first kid and she is like 42.

So they start talking about how e***d they are and then the sunday
school leaders(the husnand and wife team who sort of lead the lesson)
say they are glad they had their children earlier because they've read
there are more risks with older women and pregnancy and that they will
be praying that things work out.  Me, trying to be helpful, mentions
that there is an increased risk for DS with someone in that age group,
but it's still probably only 1 in 33 or so at age 42-43 and that that's
what amniocentesis is for anyways.......at 16 or so weeks it can detect
whether it is down syndrome(or some other trisomy).

Then one guy named John said "well yeah but I don't see the point of
that"

I'm a little confused, and beth sort of has this "oh **** please don't
tell me this is going where I think it may be going" look on her face.
So I'm sort of oblivious to his point and say "well the point of
amniocentesis is to figure out early enough of any con*** genetic
issues so there is still plenty of time to terminate the pregnancy
should one choose"

And sort of a hush comes over the toom for two seconds(which is a LONG
TIME) then beth saves me by saying  "but Im sure a lot of people, even
if they knew they were having a child born with down syndrome would
still have the child and love it and feel that it is a wonderful gift,
and I think john's point was that if that is one's outlook then what's
the point of doing a procedure if you're going to keep and love the
child either way".......

And then a lot of people join in and agree with beth and I'm sort of
sitting there thinking it might be a good idea to just be quiet for a
while(even though I have plenty of argument left in
me)......fortunately the tension is gone thanks to beth though and it
evolved into a general discussion on ethics, religion and medicine.
And as I sat there quietly I *really* wished the orange juice would
make that transformation........

So when bible study is over beth walks me to my car and says "you know
don't feel bad about that today...I've been praying for you to come for
ahile now and I hope this doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth so
you never come again with me. Good luck studying today"......

So overall judgement:  pretty bad....could have been worse.

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by John Fontain » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:49:47

Quote:

> Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
> right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
> that I had a lot of work to do later today...

work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
church.

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by miander.. » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:53:37

Quote:


> > Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
> > right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
> > that I had a lot of work to do later today...

> work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
> church.

well my step1 medical boards are next week...it's an all day test and I
still need to cover a bunch of stuff......so it wasn't a complete
lie......regardless beth was just thrilled I agreed to go to bible
study that that was plenty enough.....

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by James Schrump » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:10:31


Quote:

>> Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
>> right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
>> that I had a lot of work to do later today...

> work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
> church.

Are you guys grown-ups?  If you don't want to go to church, don't go to
church.  You don't have to make exuses anymore; just say "I'm not going.  
I'll see you when you get home."

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sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by miander.. » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:12:26

Quote:



> >> Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
> >> right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
> >> that I had a lot of work to do later today...

> > work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
> > church.

> Are you guys grown-ups?  If you don't want to go to church, don't go to
> church.  You don't have to make exuses anymore; just say "I'm not going.
> I'll see you when you get home."

sometimes its important to do things(that you don't neccessarily want
to do) just to make people that you care a lot about happy.....it's
important to beth that I go to church with her, so I'm going to start
going with her when I can.....

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Post by Jaybyr » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:33:48

Quote:

> Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
> right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
> that I had a lot of work to do later today so I'd have to skip out on
> worship service, but she seemed really pleased when I agreed to go last
> night........

> It's a catholic church and she claimed it was pretty open and they were
> fairly progressive for a church in the deep south, but when we drive
> through the parking lot a W sticker is on every other car.  I point
> this out and she says "well michael I didn't say it was the
> aclu....besides I know of at least one person you can stand who voted
> for Bush"

> So we get there pretty early, which is apparently the norm because
> everyone in the bible class apparently knows each other fairly well and
> likes to chat before the lesson starts.  They all start making small
> talk and gossipping and as it turns out twentysomething catholics
> gossip about anything and anybody.  There isn't much that is off
> limits.  Most of it is boring, and I'm wishing the orange juice in my
> hand could magically turn into a screwdriver, when someone talks about
> how great it is that one of the women in another sunday school class
> was finally able to concieve a child with her husband.....what will be
> her first kid and she is like 42.

> So they start talking about how e***d they are and then the sunday
> school leaders(the husnand and wife team who sort of lead the lesson)
> say they are glad they had their children earlier because they've read
> there are more risks with older women and pregnancy and that they will
> be praying that things work out.  Me, trying to be helpful, mentions
> that there is an increased risk for DS with someone in that age group,
> but it's still probably only 1 in 33 or so at age 42-43 and that that's
> what amniocentesis is for anyways.......at 16 or so weeks it can detect
> whether it is down syndrome(or some other trisomy).

> Then one guy named John said "well yeah but I don't see the point of
> that"

> I'm a little confused, and beth sort of has this "oh **** please don't
> tell me this is going where I think it may be going" look on her face.
> So I'm sort of oblivious to his point and say "well the point of
> amniocentesis is to figure out early enough of any con*** genetic
> issues so there is still plenty of time to terminate the pregnancy
> should one choose"

choose one:

1) clueless
2) likes to infiltrate catholic churches and bate the people there

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by miander.. » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:45:25

Quote:


> > Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
> > right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
> > that I had a lot of work to do later today so I'd have to skip out on
> > worship service, but she seemed really pleased when I agreed to go last
> > night........

> > It's a catholic church and she claimed it was pretty open and they were
> > fairly progressive for a church in the deep south, but when we drive
> > through the parking lot a W sticker is on every other car.  I point
> > this out and she says "well michael I didn't say it was the
> > aclu....besides I know of at least one person you can stand who voted
> > for Bush"

> > So we get there pretty early, which is apparently the norm because
> > everyone in the bible class apparently knows each other fairly well and
> > likes to chat before the lesson starts.  They all start making small
> > talk and gossipping and as it turns out twentysomething catholics
> > gossip about anything and anybody.  There isn't much that is off
> > limits.  Most of it is boring, and I'm wishing the orange juice in my
> > hand could magically turn into a screwdriver, when someone talks about
> > how great it is that one of the women in another sunday school class
> > was finally able to concieve a child with her husband.....what will be
> > her first kid and she is like 42.

> > So they start talking about how e***d they are and then the sunday
> > school leaders(the husnand and wife team who sort of lead the lesson)
> > say they are glad they had their children earlier because they've read
> > there are more risks with older women and pregnancy and that they will
> > be praying that things work out.  Me, trying to be helpful, mentions
> > that there is an increased risk for DS with someone in that age group,
> > but it's still probably only 1 in 33 or so at age 42-43 and that that's
> > what amniocentesis is for anyways.......at 16 or so weeks it can detect
> > whether it is down syndrome(or some other trisomy).

> > Then one guy named John said "well yeah but I don't see the point of
> > that"

> > I'm a little confused, and beth sort of has this "oh **** please don't
> > tell me this is going where I think it may be going" look on her face.
> > So I'm sort of oblivious to his point and say "well the point of
> > amniocentesis is to figure out early enough of any con*** genetic
> > issues so there is still plenty of time to terminate the pregnancy
> > should one choose"

> choose one:

> 1) clueless
> 2) likes to infiltrate catholic churches and bate the people there

studies show that 85%+ of pregnant women who find out they have a DS
fetus choose to terminate the pregnancy.........obviously lots of
active baptists, catholics, presbetyrians, etc are going to be included
in that number......
 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by Charles Beaucham » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:54:14

Quote:

> Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible
> study(its right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I
> did mention that I had a lot of work to do later today so I'd have to
> skip out on worship service, but she seemed really pleased when I
> agreed to go last night........

> It's a catholic church and she claimed it was pretty open and they
> were fairly progressive for a church in the deep south, but when we
> drive through the parking lot a W sticker is on every other car.  I
> point this out and she says "well michael I didn't say it was the
> aclu....besides I know of at least one person you can stand who voted
> for Bush"

> So we get there pretty early, which is apparently the norm because
> everyone in the bible class apparently knows each other fairly well
> and likes to chat before the lesson starts.  They all start making
> small talk and gossipping and as it turns out twentysomething
> catholics gossip about anything and anybody.  There isn't much that
> is off limits.  Most of it is boring, and I'm wishing the orange
> juice in my hand could magically turn into a screwdriver, when
> someone talks about how great it is that one of the women in another
> sunday school class was finally able to concieve a child with her
> husband.....what will be her first kid and she is like 42.

> So they start talking about how e***d they are and then the sunday
> school leaders(the husnand and wife team who sort of lead the lesson)
> say they are glad they had their children earlier because they've read
> there are more risks with older women and pregnancy and that they will
> be praying that things work out.  Me, trying to be helpful, mentions
> that there is an increased risk for DS with someone in that age group,
> but it's still probably only 1 in 33 or so at age 42-43 and that
> that's what amniocentesis is for anyways.......at 16 or so weeks it
> can detect whether it is down syndrome(or some other trisomy).

> Then one guy named John said "well yeah but I don't see the point of
> that"

> I'm a little confused, and beth sort of has this "oh **** please don't
> tell me this is going where I think it may be going" look on her face.
> So I'm sort of oblivious to his point and say "well the point of
> amniocentesis is to figure out early enough of any con*** genetic
> issues so there is still plenty of time to terminate the pregnancy
> should one choose"

> And sort of a hush comes over the toom for two seconds(which is a LONG
> TIME) then beth saves me by saying  "but Im sure a lot of people, even
> if they knew they were having a child born with down syndrome would
> still have the child and love it and feel that it is a wonderful gift,
> and I think john's point was that if that is one's outlook then what's
> the point of doing a procedure if you're going to keep and love the
> child either way".......

> And then a lot of people join in and agree with beth and I'm sort of
> sitting there thinking it might be a good idea to just be quiet for a
> while(even though I have plenty of argument left in
> me)......fortunately the tension is gone thanks to beth though and it
> evolved into a general discussion on ethics, religion and medicine.
> And as I sat there quietly I *really* wished the orange juice would
> make that transformation........

> So when bible study is over beth walks me to my car and says "you know
> don't feel bad about that today...I've been praying for you to come
> for ahile now and I hope this doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth
> so you never come again with me. Good luck studying today"......

> So overall judgement:  pretty bad....could have been worse.

It was only Cafflick church anyways so it doesn't even count for anything.
Might as well have just stayed home and kept on going to Hell anyhow.
--
v/r Dread Pirate Rackham

"You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May 1993

"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but despise your government." -
President Clinton 5 May 1995

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by miander.. » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:29:15

Quote:


> > Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible
> > study(its right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I
> > did mention that I had a lot of work to do later today so I'd have to
> > skip out on worship service, but she seemed really pleased when I
> > agreed to go last night........

> > It's a catholic church and she claimed it was pretty open and they
> > were fairly progressive for a church in the deep south, but when we
> > drive through the parking lot a W sticker is on every other car.  I
> > point this out and she says "well michael I didn't say it was the
> > aclu....besides I know of at least one person you can stand who voted
> > for Bush"

> > So we get there pretty early, which is apparently the norm because
> > everyone in the bible class apparently knows each other fairly well
> > and likes to chat before the lesson starts.  They all start making
> > small talk and gossipping and as it turns out twentysomething
> > catholics gossip about anything and anybody.  There isn't much that
> > is off limits.  Most of it is boring, and I'm wishing the orange
> > juice in my hand could magically turn into a screwdriver, when
> > someone talks about how great it is that one of the women in another
> > sunday school class was finally able to concieve a child with her
> > husband.....what will be her first kid and she is like 42.

> > So they start talking about how e***d they are and then the sunday
> > school leaders(the husnand and wife team who sort of lead the lesson)
> > say they are glad they had their children earlier because they've read
> > there are more risks with older women and pregnancy and that they will
> > be praying that things work out.  Me, trying to be helpful, mentions
> > that there is an increased risk for DS with someone in that age group,
> > but it's still probably only 1 in 33 or so at age 42-43 and that
> > that's what amniocentesis is for anyways.......at 16 or so weeks it
> > can detect whether it is down syndrome(or some other trisomy).

> > Then one guy named John said "well yeah but I don't see the point of
> > that"

> > I'm a little confused, and beth sort of has this "oh **** please don't
> > tell me this is going where I think it may be going" look on her face.
> > So I'm sort of oblivious to his point and say "well the point of
> > amniocentesis is to figure out early enough of any con*** genetic
> > issues so there is still plenty of time to terminate the pregnancy
> > should one choose"

> > And sort of a hush comes over the toom for two seconds(which is a LONG
> > TIME) then beth saves me by saying  "but Im sure a lot of people, even
> > if they knew they were having a child born with down syndrome would
> > still have the child and love it and feel that it is a wonderful gift,
> > and I think john's point was that if that is one's outlook then what's
> > the point of doing a procedure if you're going to keep and love the
> > child either way".......

> > And then a lot of people join in and agree with beth and I'm sort of
> > sitting there thinking it might be a good idea to just be quiet for a
> > while(even though I have plenty of argument left in
> > me)......fortunately the tension is gone thanks to beth though and it
> > evolved into a general discussion on ethics, religion and medicine.
> > And as I sat there quietly I *really* wished the orange juice would
> > make that transformation........

> > So when bible study is over beth walks me to my car and says "you know
> > don't feel bad about that today...I've been praying for you to come
> > for ahile now and I hope this doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth
> > so you never come again with me. Good luck studying today"......

> > So overall judgement:  pretty bad....could have been worse.

> It was only Cafflick church anyways so it doesn't even count for anything.
> Might as well have just stayed home and kept on going to Hell anyhow.

what's the matter with the catholic church?

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Quote:
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> v/r Dread Pirate Rackham

> "You know one things that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a
> chance to have their fair say." - President Clinton 28 May 1993

> "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
> that you can love your country but despise your government." -
> President Clinton 5 May 1995

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by Tony Ric » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:11:52


Quote:
>> Are you guys grown-ups?  If you don't want to go to church, don't go to
>> church.  You don't have to make exuses anymore; just say "I'm not going.
>> I'll see you when you get home."

> sometimes its important to do things(that you don't neccessarily want
> to do) just to make people that you care a lot about happy.....it's
> important to beth that I go to church with her, so I'm going to start
> going with her when I can.....

This is true of going shopping together or going to the movies.  Going to
see the chick flick she wants to see is a bit different than going to
church.

If that church doesn't subscribe to the dogma you subscribe to, dont go.  
Sure it might cuase some fights but pretending you beleive something is
just wrong.

Hearing my Grandmother go on and on about how Sally (name changed to
protect the guilty) was such a nice young girl because she went to church
so often, while everyone under the age of 75 knew she was the town ***,
made me look at that church in a different light.  

Their God judged people only based on their church attendence, church
volunteerism, and how much they put in the offering plate each week.

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by Tony Ric » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:12:26


Quote:
> studies show that 85%+ of pregnant women who find out they have a DS
> fetus choose to terminate the pregnancy.........obviously lots of
> active baptists, catholics, presbetyrians, etc are going to be included
> in that number......

You do know why you must bring 2 Baptist fishing with you and never only 1,
dont you?
 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by Charlie Boar » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:19:35

Quote:


>>Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
>>right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
>>that I had a lot of work to do later today...

> work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
> church.

At least he didn't say he needed to go study...
 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by Dan Brett » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:30:17

Quote:



> > > Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible
> > > study(its right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I
> > > did mention that I had a lot of work to do later today so I'd have to
> > > skip out on worship service, but she seemed really pleased when I
> > > agreed to go last night........

> > > It's a catholic church and she claimed it was pretty open and they
> > > were fairly progressive for a church in the deep south, but when we
> > > drive through the parking lot a W sticker is on every other car.  I
> > > point this out and she says "well michael I didn't say it was the
> > > aclu....besides I know of at least one person you can stand who voted
> > > for Bush"

> > > So we get there pretty early, which is apparently the norm because
> > > everyone in the bible class apparently knows each other fairly well
> > > and likes to chat before the lesson starts.  They all start making
> > > small talk and gossipping and as it turns out twentysomething
> > > catholics gossip about anything and anybody.  There isn't much that
> > > is off limits.  Most of it is boring, and I'm wishing the orange
> > > juice in my hand could magically turn into a screwdriver, when
> > > someone talks about how great it is that one of the women in another
> > > sunday school class was finally able to concieve a child with her
> > > husband.....what will be her first kid and she is like 42.

> > > So they start talking about how e***d they are and then the sunday
> > > school leaders(the husnand and wife team who sort of lead the lesson)
> > > say they are glad they had their children earlier because they've read
> > > there are more risks with older women and pregnancy and that they will
> > > be praying that things work out.  Me, trying to be helpful, mentions
> > > that there is an increased risk for DS with someone in that age group,
> > > but it's still probably only 1 in 33 or so at age 42-43 and that
> > > that's what amniocentesis is for anyways.......at 16 or so weeks it
> > > can detect whether it is down syndrome(or some other trisomy).

> > > Then one guy named John said "well yeah but I don't see the point of
> > > that"

> > > I'm a little confused, and beth sort of has this "oh **** please don't
> > > tell me this is going where I think it may be going" look on her face.
> > > So I'm sort of oblivious to his point and say "well the point of
> > > amniocentesis is to figure out early enough of any con*** genetic
> > > issues so there is still plenty of time to terminate the pregnancy
> > > should one choose"

> > > And sort of a hush comes over the toom for two seconds(which is a LONG
> > > TIME) then beth saves me by saying  "but Im sure a lot of people, even
> > > if they knew they were having a child born with down syndrome would
> > > still have the child and love it and feel that it is a wonderful gift,
> > > and I think john's point was that if that is one's outlook then what's
> > > the point of doing a procedure if you're going to keep and love the
> > > child either way".......

> > > And then a lot of people join in and agree with beth and I'm sort of
> > > sitting there thinking it might be a good idea to just be quiet for a
> > > while(even though I have plenty of argument left in
> > > me)......fortunately the tension is gone thanks to beth though and it
> > > evolved into a general discussion on ethics, religion and medicine.
> > > And as I sat there quietly I *really* wished the orange juice would
> > > make that transformation........

> > > So when bible study is over beth walks me to my car and says "you know
> > > don't feel bad about that today...I've been praying for you to come
> > > for ahile now and I hope this doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth
> > > so you never come again with me. Good luck studying today"......

> > > So overall judgement:  pretty bad....could have been worse.

> > It was only Cafflick church anyways so it doesn't even count for anything.
> > Might as well have just stayed home and kept on going to Hell anyhow.

> what's the matter with the catholic church?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Dan

 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by miander.. » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:12:33

Quote:



> >>Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible study(its
> >>right before worship service at beth's church) today.....I did mention
> >>that I had a lot of work to do later today...

> > work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
> > church.

> At least he didn't say he needed to go study...

I do notice that beth never initiates sex right after church...namely
if she takes mass sunday evening I hardly ever get any sunday
night..........I need to find some angle around that.  I don't know if
it is a guilt thing or what, but it's weird.....
 
 
 

sunday school/bible school judged.......

Post by James Schrump » Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:44:50


Quote:



>> rage.


>> >> Ran out of excuses and so finally had to attend morning bible
>> >> study(its right before worship service at beth's church)
>> >> today.....I did mention that I had a lot of work to do later
>> >> today...

>> > work... heh... good one. I've used that several times to get out of
>> > church.

>> Are you guys grown-ups?  If you don't want to go to church, don't go
>> to church.  You don't have to make exuses anymore; just say "I'm not
>> going. I'll see you when you get home."

> sometimes its important to do things(that you don't neccessarily want
> to do) just to make people that you care a lot about happy.....it's
> important to beth that I go to church with her, so I'm going to start
> going with her when I can.....

"Ran out of excuses" != "doing things to make someone you like happy."
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