Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by PrinceGunt » Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:54:27


Saddam supposedly gassed all these Iraqis, right, and they are buried in mass
graves?  Well, the degradation byproducts of these WMD's have been shown to
linger for years, and I'm sure the United States is eager to prove that Saddam
did these things with his trial for crimes against humanity rapidly
approaching, so surely someone has exhumed the bodies and tested them to prove
that they have been exposed to chemical weapons, right?  Why haven't we heard
anything about this?

 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by Bill Dee » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:06:52

Quote:
>Saddam supposedly gassed all these Iraqis, right, and they are buried in mass
>graves?  Well, the degradation byproducts of these WMD's have been shown to
>linger for years, and I'm sure the United States is eager to prove that
>Saddam
>did these things with his trial for crimes against humanity rapidly
>approaching, so surely someone has exhumed the bodies and tested them to
>prove
>that they have been exposed to chemical weapons, right?  Why haven't we heard
>anything about this?

  The fact that there were chemical weapons used is pretty well accepted. The
questions are how many casualties and whether they came from the Iraqis or
Iranians. Besides, Saddam is being tried in an Iraqi court with the verdict
pretty much of a done deal.

 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by xyzz » Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:16:33

Quote:

> Saddam supposedly gassed all these Iraqis, right, and they are buried in mass
> graves?  Well, the degradation byproducts of these WMD's have been shown to
> linger for years, and I'm sure the United States is eager to prove that Saddam
> did these things with his trial for crimes against humanity rapidly
> approaching, so surely someone has exhumed the bodies and tested them to prove
> that they have been exposed to chemical weapons, right?  Why haven't we heard
> anything about this?

I'm not aware of anyone arguing that he didn't gas the Kurds.

 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by Jefferson N. Glapsk » Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:11:12


Quote:

> > Saddam supposedly gassed all these Iraqis, right, and they are buried in
mass
> > graves?  Well, the degradation byproducts of these WMD's have been shown
to
> > linger for years, and I'm sure the United States is eager to prove that
Saddam
> > did these things with his trial for crimes against humanity rapidly
> > approaching, so surely someone has exhumed the bodies and tested them to
prove
> > that they have been exposed to chemical weapons, right?  Why haven't we
heard
> > anything about this?

> I'm not aware of anyone arguing that he didn't gas the Kurds.


"Especially since the Kurds were one of the few groups of
non-collaborators who had it pretty good in Saddam's Iraq, and got
royally screwed by the U.S. invasion."

How did the Kurds have it pretty good then?

--
Jefferson N. Glapski
http://www.glapski.com

 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by Bill Dee » Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:01:11

Quote:
>> I'm not aware of anyone arguing that he didn't gas the Kurds.


>"Especially since the Kurds were one of the few groups of
>non-collaborators who had it pretty good in Saddam's Iraq, and got
>royally screwed by the U.S. invasion."

>How did the Kurds have it pretty good then?

>--
>Jefferson N. Glapski

  I took his meaning as since 1991. The Kurds were doing pretty well under the
No-Fly Zone. The war has opened up the Kurdish areas to more ***, etc.
  When it is pointed out that progress is being made in Iraq, it is usually the
north and south that are being talked about. Sure, Baghdad is a mess as is
Fallujah and other areas....but a lot of reconstructionhas occurred. An example
is that electricity production is above prewar levels. Iraq never produced
enough electricity for everyone and Saddam made sure Baghdad and his supporters
got enough while the rest of the country was rationed.
 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by Jefferson N. Glapsk » Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:43:50


Quote:
> >> I'm not aware of anyone arguing that he didn't gas the Kurds.


> >"Especially since the Kurds were one of the few groups of
> >non-collaborators who had it pretty good in Saddam's Iraq, and got
> >royally screwed by the U.S. invasion."

> >How did the Kurds have it pretty good then?

> >--
> >Jefferson N. Glapski

>   I took his meaning as since 1991. The Kurds were doing pretty well under
the
> No-Fly Zone. The war has opened up the Kurdish areas to more ***,
etc.
>   When it is pointed out that progress is being made in Iraq, it is
usually the
> north and south that are being talked about. Sure, Baghdad is a mess as is
> Fallujah and other areas....but a lot of reconstructionhas occurred. An
example
> is that electricity production is above prewar levels. Iraq never produced
> enough electricity for everyone and Saddam made sure Baghdad and his
supporters
> got enough while the rest of the country was rationed.

"Saddam's Iraq" presumably includes where he could fly an airplane.

--
Jefferson N. Glapski
http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by Bill Dee » Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:11:39

Quote:
>Saddam's Iraq" presumably includes where he could fly an airplane.

>--
>Jefferson N. Glapski

  Or, we could presume that he meant Iraq before we kicked his ass outta power.
 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by PrinceGunt » Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:10:48

Quote:
>Subject: Re: Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

>Date: 9/24/04 9:16 AM Central Daylight Time


>> Saddam supposedly gassed all these Iraqis, right, and they are buried in
>mass
>> graves?  Well, the degradation byproducts of these WMD's have been shown to
>> linger for years, and I'm sure the United States is eager to prove that
>Saddam
>> did these things with his trial for crimes against humanity rapidly
>> approaching, so surely someone has exhumed the bodies and tested them to
>prove
>> that they have been exposed to chemical weapons, right?  Why haven't we
>heard
>> anything about this?

>I'm not aware of anyone arguing that he didn't gas the Kurds.

Why not?  Acts of genocide were certainly committed against the Kurds... not
just by the Iraqis but by the Iranians, and the Turks, and the Syrians... but
as far as I can tell, we don't have any clear evidence that "Saddam gassed his
own people."  Yet, it remains a favored mantra of those supporting this war.
 
 
 

Request: Clarification of Assertion #1

Post by Jefferson N. Glapsk » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:29


Quote:
> >Saddam's Iraq" presumably includes where he could fly an airplane.

> >--
> >Jefferson N. Glapski

>   Or, we could presume that he meant Iraq before we kicked his ass outta

power.

If the US doesn't control the airspace over California, would you say
sovereignty may be an issue?

--
Jefferson N. Glapski
http://www.glapski.com