The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by That Don Gu » Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:26:52


Something tells me ESPN's version of the current list of major college
coaching wins will now look something like:

383 - Joe Paterno
*382 - Bobby Bowden
(I'm not sure if all of Amos Alonzo Stagg's wins were "major college")
323 - Bear Bryant
*Some wins later vacated

(translation: "never mind they used ineligible players; they won those
games on the field, and this is ESPN, not The Learning Channel, so
dammit, we're counting them")

For those of you who want a few details on FSU's football punishment:

* Loss of 2 scholarships in 2009, 3 in 2010, and 1 in 2011

* Four years probation

* All wins in the 2006 and 2007 seasons involving the ineligible
players are vacated and do not count towards either the school's or
Bowden's official total of wins, and any publications (e.g. media
guides) that include these totals must not count those games as wins
(also, if any of the ineligible players were in the 2006 Emerald Bowl,
take down any banner they may have commemorating the win)

Apparently, the punishment does NOT include losing any part of their
share of the ACC's BCS money for those two years.

-- Don
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There are no solutions, only clarifications of the problems

 
 
 

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by Carl Bank » Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:00:45


Quote:
> Something tells me ESPN's version of the current list of major college
> coaching wins will now look something like:

> 383 - Joe Paterno
> *382 - Bobby Bowden
> (I'm not sure if all of Amos Alonzo Stagg's wins were "major college")
> 323 - Bear Bryant
> *Some wins later vacated

> (translation: "never mind they used ineligible players; they won those
> games on the field, and this is ESPN, not The Learning Channel, so
> dammit, we're counting them")

All those people who said the retarded NCAA way of counting I-
A^H^H^H^H FBS^H^H^H major college victories was and not due to pro-F$U
and/or anti-PSU bias, the same people who are going to also give
Bubbah credit for all his forfeited wins and claim that this is the
natural, obvious way to count them and not due to pro-F$U and/or anti-
PSU bias even though the NCAA won't be doing it that way... are you
telling me that these people would not be saying that we should hold
the forfeits double against Joepa if it had been Penn State that had
to forfeit?

GMAFB, the bias is so strong it destabilizes the system.

Face it, Seminole Sucklers, unless Joepa has a heart attack and Bubbah
goes on to coach another two seasons past that, Joepa has won the
"major college" wins contest, even by the retarded NCAA definition.

Carl Banks

 
 
 

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by Steve Jaro » Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:52:51

Quote:

> Face it, Seminole Sucklers, unless Joepa has a heart attack and Bubbah
> goes on to coach another two seasons past that, Joepa has won the
> "major college" wins contest, even by the retarded NCAA definition.

Sadly, all the Seminole Sucklers fled this ng a while back, but yeah,
the race is now over. JP is a good 14 games clear of bobbah.

 
 
 

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by John Roger » Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:47:38


animal.

Quote:

>> Face it, Seminole Sucklers, unless Joepa has a heart attack and Bubbah
>> goes on to coach another two seasons past that, Joepa has won the
>> "major college" wins contest, even by the retarded NCAA definition.

>Sadly, all the Seminole Sucklers fled this ng a while back, but yeah,
>the race is now over. JP is a good 14 games clear of bobbah.

Oh, nothing is over UNTIL DIDDY SAYS ITS OVER.

He will "retire".

Then JoePa will finally be at rest and retire and shortly thereafter
die.

Then Bobbuh will make a ROUSING COMEBACK!

John M. Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded
state of m***and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war
is much worse.  A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable
creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the
exertions of better men than himself."  (John Stuart Mill)

 
 
 

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by That Don Gu » Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:21:17

Quote:


>> Something tells me ESPN's version of the current list of major college
>> coaching wins will now look something like:

>> 383 - Joe Paterno
>> *382 - Bobby Bowden
>> (I'm not sure if all of Amos Alonzo Stagg's wins were "major college")
>> 323 - Bear Bryant
>> *Some wins later vacated

>> (translation: "never mind they used ineligible players; they won those
>> games on the field, and this is ESPN, not The Learning Channel, so
>> dammit, we're counting them")

>All those people who said the retarded NCAA way of counting I-
>A^H^H^H^H FBS^H^H^H major college victories was and not due to pro-F$U
>and/or anti-PSU bias, the same people who are going to also give
>Bubbah credit for all his forfeited wins and claim that this is the
>natural, obvious way to count them and not due to pro-F$U and/or anti-
>PSU bias even though the NCAA won't be doing it that way... are you
>telling me that these people would not be saying that we should hold
>the forfeits double against Joepa if it had been Penn State that had
>to forfeit?

I don't know about "people", but ESPN is notorious for including
"vacated" and "forfeited" games in, for example, lists of how well a
school/coach has done in the NCAA basketball tournament.

It's not just in "major" sports, either; the ESPN list of NCAA
Division I Lacrosse championships has Syracuse with 10 followed by
Johns Hopkins with 9, but at the bottom it mentions that Syracuse's
1990 title was vacated because one of its players was declared
ineligible - still, that didn't stop one of the commentators at last
year's championship game (which Syracuse won) from saying something
like, "Still, Syracuse won 10 on the field".

(What I would like to see is, what is the list of coaching wins
against Division I (pre-split)/I-A/FBS teams?  If Division I-AA/FCS,
II and III coaching wins aren't considered significant enough to be
listed, then why are wins against those teams counted?)

-- Don
___________________________________________________________

There are no solutions, only clarifications of the problems

 
 
 

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by Plaidmoo » Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:22:21

Quote:

> Something tells me ESPN's version of the current list of major college
> coaching wins will now look something like:

> 383 - Joe Paterno
> *382 - Bobby Bowden
> (I'm not sure if all of Amos Alonzo Stagg's wins were "major college")
> 323 - Bear Bryant
> *Some wins later vacated

Just because I was curious, I went to the College Football Data Warehouse
and did a spot check of some of the seasons in Amos Alonzo Stagg's career.
Early on (1892-1905 or so) there were quite a few games against high
schools, athletic clubs and colleges of dubious athletic ability (Rush
Medical College for one). None of these should be considered major colleges
(if that term even makes sense that far back). His University of Chicago
teams appeared to play mostly decent level college teams from then until
the program was cancelled in 1932. The Pacific teams he coached from 1933
to 1946 had a few games against junior colleges, bigger school JV teams and
military base teams (especially during World War 2). Of his 329 victories,
a generous assessment might give him 250 major college victories. 200 to
225 is probably more accurate.

Plaidmoon

 
 
 

The post-FSU-penalty ESPN list of "major college" coaching wins

Post by Ike » Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:21:30

Quote:

> Something tells me ESPN's version of the current list of major college
> coaching wins will now look something like:

> 383 - Joe Paterno
> *382 - Bobby Bowden
> (I'm not sure if all of Amos Alonzo Stagg's wins were "major college")

We know Bowden's weren't, however.

Quote:
> 323 - Bear Bryant
> *Some wins later vacated

> (translation: "never mind they used ineligible players; they won those
> games on the field, and this is ESPN, not The Learning Channel, so
> dammit, we're counting them")

Hehe.  Indeed.

--
Yrs.,

Ike                                    

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