NFC East > NFC West ?

NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Ashu Re » Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:00:00




 >Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
 >opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
 >These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
 >they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

 I think the truth is that all the teams in the NFC other than Dallas
 and SF are pretty sorry and would be hard-pressed to make the playoffs
 in the AFC. I was hoping Tampa would turn out to be the real deal
 but maybe they're still a year away.

 Ashu Rege

 
 
 

NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Jay A. Cari » Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

Well, after today's awesome display of incompetence in the
Eagles/Cardinals game, it's quite obvious that the East just ain't what it
used to be. The Giants, frankly, suck just as bad. How do you blow that
big a lead in the 4th quarter? Were they getting advice from Kotite and
the Jets? The Redskins look decent, but they won't be contenders for a
while.

How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
point.

The Eagles? Sure, they won. But Randall Cunningham's days in Philly are
numbered. His fragile ego won't get any silly massaging from Ray Rhodes.
IMHO, Rhodes did the right thing. Randall just can't hack it. Whatever his
problem is, he doesn't run the WCO well. Peete did a good job in relief,
but the running game saved the day for them. The Cardinals? These guys are
in serious trouble. Buck is nowhere near as talented and experienced as
Krieg. Their running game is shaky at best, although Hearst looks more
comfortable. Eric Swann and ? both may be out for a while and that bodes
ill for their D. Face it folks, the East is every bit as "weak" as the
West. The Niners and Cowboys are that much better than their opponents and
anyone who tries to substantiate either division's superiority is digging
a very deep hole.

I won't even mention the Central. They might as well draw straws over there.

Jay
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NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Bret Bess » Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Of note: I looked in the Pro Football Encyclopedia and found that for the
years 1980-1991;1994. The NFC West won 2 more games versus the NFC East, not
including games versus the prior year's East last place team. Over 12 years
this means there was little difference between the two divisions.

Last year: the West thumped the East not including the Redskins 7-2.
                                         including the Redskins 9-4.
           the Central had winning records against both divisions.

Quote:
>Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
>opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
>These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
>they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

>Well, after today's awesome display of incompetence in the
>Eagles/Cardinals game, it's quite obvious that the East just ain't what it
>used to be. The Giants, frankly, suck just as bad. How do you blow that
>big a lead in the 4th quarter? Were they getting advice from Kotite and
>the Jets? The Redskins look decent, but they won't be contenders for a
>while.

>How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
>Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
>safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
>point.

>The Eagles? Sure, they won. But Randall Cunningham's days in Philly are
>numbered. His fragile ego won't get any silly massaging from Ray Rhodes.
>IMHO, Rhodes did the right thing. Randall just can't hack it. Whatever his
>problem is, he doesn't run the WCO well. Peete did a good job in relief,
>but the running game saved the day for them. The Cardinals? These guys are
>in serious trouble. Buck is nowhere near as talented and experienced as
>Krieg. Their running game is shaky at best, although Hearst looks more
>comfortable. Eric Swann and ? both may be out for a while and that bodes
>ill for their D. Face it folks, the East is every bit as "weak" as the
>West. The Niners and Cowboys are that much better than their opponents and
>anyone who tries to substantiate either division's superiority is digging
>a very deep hole.

>I won't even mention the Central. They might as well draw straws over there.

>Jay
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NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Eric Smi » Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>>Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
>>opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
>>These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
>>they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

[ ... ]

Quote:
>>How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
>>Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
>>safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
>>point.

[ ... ]

Quote:
>Yes this year the east is as weak as the west.  But the west has been weak
>for years and years.  The most balanced and probably best division is the
>Central.  

The West, except for the 49ers, has been weak for two or three years,
not "years and years". In the '80s the East and West were comparable.
Last year the Saints had their first sub-.500 record since 1985. The Rams
won 10 or more games something like six times in the '80s. The last time
the NFC Championship game featured two teams from the same division they
came from the West, the 49ers vs. the Rams in the 1989 season.

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NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Bret Bess » Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Quote:


>: Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
>: opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
>: These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
>: they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

>: Well, after today's awesome display of incompetence in the
>: Eagles/Cardinals game, it's quite obvious that the East just ain't what it
>: used to be. The Giants, frankly, suck just as bad. How do you blow that
>: big a lead in the 4th quarter? Were they getting advice from Kotite and
>: the Jets? The Redskins look decent, but they won't be contenders for a
>: while.

>: How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
>: Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
>: safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
>: point.

>: The Eagles? Sure, they won. But Randall Cunningham's days in Philly are
>: numbered. His fragile ego won't get any silly massaging from Ray Rhodes.
>: IMHO, Rhodes did the right thing. Randall just can't hack it. Whatever his
>: problem is, he doesn't run the WCO well. Peete did a good job in relief,
>: but the running game saved the day for them. The Cardinals? These guys are
>: in serious trouble. Buck is nowhere near as talented and experienced as
>: Krieg. Their running game is shaky at best, although Hearst looks more
>: comfortable. Eric Swann and ? both may be out for a while and that bodes
>: ill for their D. Face it folks, the East is every bit as "weak" as the
>: West. The Niners and Cowboys are that much better than their opponents and
>: anyone who tries to substantiate either division's superiority is digging
>: a very deep hole.

>: I won't even mention the Central. They might as well draw straws over there.

>: Jay

>Yes this year the east is as weak as the west.  But the west has been weak
>for years and years.  The most balanced and probably best division is the
>Central.  
>--

But as as I've said before, the West crushed the East last year winning
9 out of the 13 contests and not including the Redskins 7-2.  That's the
facts. GO RAMS
 
 
 

NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Russ Smi » Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> The West, except for the 49ers, has been weak for two or three years,
> not "years and years". In the '80s the East and West were comparable.
> Last year the Saints had their first sub-.500 record since 1985. The Rams
> won 10 or more games something like six times in the '80s. The last time
> the NFC Championship game featured two teams from the same division they
> came from the West, the 49ers vs. the Rams in the 1989 season.

Right now all 3 divisions are pretty bad, both SF and Dallas could go 8-0
in their divisions, and the Packers are the only Central team that looks
like they might go somewhere. The West is really bad, Atlanta and New
Orleans have really slipped of late, and with an expansion team that's 2
free wins. The Rams may be the surprise team of the year, I love their DL,
but I  haven't seen them play yet so I don't know if they're for real, but
they still don't figure to challenge SF.

Dallas has a situation where Arizona is struggling badly, Philly has a QB
controversy, the Giants have fallen apart, and Washington probably is the
2nd best team in the division right now.

I think the NFC has some definite teams on the rise like Tampa Bay and the
Redskins, but overall the NFC is really down this year.

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NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Gary K Stefanc » Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:00:00


: Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
: opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
: These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
: they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

: Well, after today's awesome display of incompetence in the
: Eagles/Cardinals game, it's quite obvious that the East just ain't what it
: used to be. The Giants, frankly, suck just as bad. How do you blow that
: big a lead in the 4th quarter? Were they getting advice from Kotite and
: the Jets? The Redskins look decent, but they won't be contenders for a
: while.

: How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
: Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
: safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
: point.

: The Eagles? Sure, they won. But Randall Cunningham's days in Philly are
: numbered. His fragile ego won't get any silly massaging from Ray Rhodes.
: IMHO, Rhodes did the right thing. Randall just can't hack it. Whatever his
: problem is, he doesn't run the WCO well. Peete did a good job in relief,
: but the running game saved the day for them. The Cardinals? These guys are
: in serious trouble. Buck is nowhere near as talented and experienced as
: Krieg. Their running game is shaky at best, although Hearst looks more
: comfortable. Eric Swann and ? both may be out for a while and that bodes
: ill for their D. Face it folks, the East is every bit as "weak" as the
: West. The Niners and Cowboys are that much better than their opponents and
: anyone who tries to substantiate either division's superiority is digging
: a very deep hole.

: I won't even mention the Central. They might as well draw straws over there.

: Jay

Yes this year the east is as weak as the west.  But the west has been weak
for years and years.  The most balanced and probably best division is the
Central.  
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NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by Gary K Stefanc » Thu, 21 Sep 1995 04:00:00



: : Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
: : opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
: : These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
: : they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.

: : Well, after today's awesome display of incompetence in the
: : Eagles/Cardinals game, it's quite obvious that the East just ain't what it
: : used to be. The Giants, frankly, suck just as bad. How do you blow that
: : big a lead in the 4th quarter? Were they getting advice from Kotite and
: : the Jets? The Redskins look decent, but they won't be contenders for a
: : while.

: : How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
: : Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
: : safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
: : point.

: : The Eagles? Sure, they won. But Randall Cunningham's days in Philly are
: : numbered. His fragile ego won't get any silly massaging from Ray Rhodes.
: : IMHO, Rhodes did the right thing. Randall just can't hack it. Whatever his
: : problem is, he doesn't run the WCO well. Peete did a good job in relief,
: : but the running game saved the day for them. The Cardinals? These guys are
: : in serious trouble. Buck is nowhere near as talented and experienced as
: : Krieg. Their running game is shaky at best, although Hearst looks more
: : comfortable. Eric Swann and ? both may be out for a while and that bodes
: : ill for their D. Face it folks, the East is every bit as "weak" as the
: : West. The Niners and Cowboys are that much better than their opponents and
: : anyone who tries to substantiate either division's superiority is digging
: : a very deep hole.

: : I won't even mention the Central. They might as well draw straws over there.

: : Jay

: Yes this year the east is as weak as the west.  But the west has been weak
: for years and years.  The most balanced and probably best division is the
: Central.  
: --
:  
Even this year the West is weak trend is overpowering.  The 49ers, superbowl
champs will play the next 6 opponets with a combined record of 4-14.  The
Rams account for 3 of the 4.  The Cowboy's opponets are 9-9.  This is why
the Cowboys always end up playing the NFCC in the toilet bowl in SF.
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NFC East > NFC West ?

Post by David Kauffm » Thu, 21 Sep 1995 04:00:00



: >>Many fans criticize the 49ers for playing in a division full of "weak"
: >>opponents. Relative to the 49ers, most teams in the NFC are weak, though.
: >>These fans say that if the Niners were in the "tougher" NFC East division,
: >>they would not be as successful, they would get trashed, etc.
: [ ... ]
: >>How about the West? Well, the Saints played the Niners pretty good. The
: >>Rams are off to a 2-0 start. It's early in the season, but I think it's
: >>safe to say that the West is playing better ball than the East at this
: >>point.
: [ ... ]
: >Yes this year the east is as weak as the west.  But the west has been weak
: >for years and years.  The most balanced and probably best division is the
: >Central.  
: The West, except for the 49ers, has been weak for two or three years,
: not "years and years". In the '80s the East and West were comparable.
: Last year the Saints had their first sub-.500 record since 1985. The Rams
: won 10 or more games something like six times in the '80s. The last time
: the NFC Championship game featured two teams from the same division they
: came from the West, the 49ers vs. the Rams in the 1989 season.
: -----
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:
All good points.  For a long time, the NFC West was dominated by either the
49ers or the Rams (depending on how far back you want to go).  Often they
were fighting it out for first.  And these two teams were comparable to any
team in either the East or Central.
One of the things many people forget is that up until this year, the NFC
West consisted of only *four* teams, not five like the rest.  Whether this
helped the Rams and 49ers is very much open to discussion, but it did have
the benefit of two less games that had an effect on the divisional champ.
Most people agree that you have to beat the teams in your division to win
your division.
What the Rams have going for them this year is defense and special teams
(except for the kicker, McLaughlin).  If they can get their offense going,
they will be a definite threat to the 49ers.

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