GEORGIA PLAYS GEORGIA SOUTHERN EVERY YEAR...

GEORGIA PLAYS GEORGIA SOUTHERN EVERY YEAR...

Post by Sword of Tro » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:19:04


Armchair QB: NCAA, BCS should take steps to stem I-AA exodus
Adam Van Brimmer | Monday, December 22, 2008 at 12:30 am
ADAM VAN BRIMMER COLUMN

The long-running conversation about Georgia Southern's NCAA Division I-
A football prospects will soon become a debate.

The school's feasibility study is due out next month, and fans both
for and against the move will find material to support their
positions. The report will not offer a recommendation; it will only
outline the challenges GSU would face in going I-A (Football Bowl
Subdivision) as well as the resources and revenue streams available.

The study's chief consultants - former major college athletic
directors Andy Geiger and Mike McGee - do have some advice for the
NCAA, though: Pretty up Division I-AA football.

Do so before all the remaining marquee programs - like Georgia
Southern and Appalachian State - follow Marshall, Troy and Western
Kentucky into major college football's netherworld, known as the Sun
Belt Conference and Conference USA.

"There needs to be a greater incentive for schools to continue to play
at the I-AA or Football Championship Subdivision level," said McGee,
who served as an athletic director at South Carolina, Southern
California and Cincinnati during his career. "Right now, there isn't
much of one."

Division I-AA's only lure - the postseason playoff and a true national
championship game - looked ghastly Friday night. Nothing says bush
league quite like playing for a title on a cold Friday night in a half-
empty stadium in Chattanooga, Tenn.

But moving the title game to warmer climes won't make much difference.
To stem the I-AA exodus, the NCAA needs to convince the major
conferences to share more BCS revenue.

Consider this: The eight Sun Belt football programs divided up a
little more than $2 million in BCS revenue last spring; the eight
Southern Conference schools divvied up $225,000. Sam Baker, GSU's
athletic director, said the Eagles' cut was between $10,000 and
$15,000 and was earmarked for marketing purposes.

So if you're a well-supported I-AA program like Georgia Southern, and
you're going to break even or finish slightly in the red, why not do
it at the Division I-A level where you get greater exposure and can
dream of someday making a BCS game (and really cashing in)?

The power conferences must recognize the dangers there. Saturation of
the Division I-A ranks hurts competitive integrity. It also means more
schools have 85 scholarships - rather than 63 - to give out.

Now is the time for the NCAA and BCS to take action. A moratorium on
moving from I-AA to I-A is in place through 2011. The BCS will
generate almost $150,000,000 in revenue this year. That number will
continue to grow.

The power conferences can give every I-AA program $250,000 of the BCS
money and still pocket tens of millions of their own. And there's no
debating that.

Spin zone

Nice smoke screen by John Schuerholz this week. By throwing a temper
tantrum over the no-deal with Rafael Furcal, the Braves' head honcho
distracted fans from the fact Atlanta did nothing to improve its
roster at the winter meetings.

The Braves need pitching like the Big Three do union concessions. They
tried and failed to woo starting pitcher A.J. Burnett and showed no
interest in Derek Lowe.

That means their rotation is comprised of Javier Vazquez, Jair
Jurrjens, John Smoltz and Tom Glavine, and that's assuming Smoltz and
Glavine make it back from injuries. Tim Hudson isn't due back from
Tommy John surgery until August at the earliest.

 
 
 

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Post by Tonawanda Karde » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:25:17

So what?

I think every school can have one regional matchup it plays on its OOC
each year.

And if you do, the other OOC games better make up for it.

Oh wait, this is the SEC we're talking about, right?

 
 
 

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Post by Road Rag » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:39:26

In 100+ years of UGA football they've only played GA Southern 4 times. And
only giving in after years of begging by a former GA assistant that went to
coach at GSU. UGA fans will quickly tell you they don't want to see them on
the schedule.

 
 
 

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Post by Solnichka Kardex: Soc » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:53:03


Quote:
> In 100+ years of UGA football they've only played GA Southern 4 times. And
> only giving in after years of begging by a former GA assistant that went to
> coach at GSU. UGA fans will quickly tell you they don't want to see them on
> the schedule.

I love Tracy Ham.
 
 
 

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Post by That Don Gu » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:47:48

Quote:

>Armchair QB: NCAA, BCS should take steps to stem I-AA exodus
>Adam Van Brimmer | Monday, December 22, 2008 at 12:30 am
>ADAM VAN BRIMMER COLUMN

>The long-running conversation about Georgia Southern's NCAA Division I-
>A football prospects will soon become a debate.

>The school's feasibility study is due out next month, and fans both
>for and against the move will find material to support their
>positions. The report will not offer a recommendation; it will only
>outline the challenges GSU would face in going I-A (Football Bowl
>Subdivision) as well as the resources and revenue streams available.

>The study's chief consultants - former major college athletic
>directors Andy Geiger and Mike McGee - do have some advice for the
>NCAA, though: Pretty up Division I-AA football.

>Do so before all the remaining marquee programs - like Georgia
>Southern and Appalachian State - follow Marshall, Troy and Western
>Kentucky into major college football's netherworld, known as the Sun
>Belt Conference and Conference USA.

And having the "good" teams move up to The Subdivision Formerly Known
As I-A while the others drop down to D2 (which would give the NCAA the
excuse it needs to split D2 into 2-A and 2-AA) so there would be just
one Division 1 in football is a bad thing in what way?  It doesn't
seem to hurt basketball that much.

Meanwhile, would it kill the NCAA to bring back the "football
exception" to making D1 schools play D1 sports?

Quote:
>Now is the time for the NCAA and BCS to take action. A moratorium on
>moving from I-AA to I-A is in place through 2011. The BCS will
>generate almost $150,000,000 in revenue this year. That number will
>continue to grow.

>The power conferences can give every I-AA program $250,000 of the BCS
>money and still pocket tens of millions of their own. And there's no
>debating that.

"We give the small schools enough of 'our' basketball money; we're not
about to do it with the football money as well!" - pretty much every
BCS school AD.  (The least that each school receives this year from
the basketball pool is about $100,000 - the eight WCC schools get
$500,000 each, and I don't think any of them even play football.)

-- Don
___________________________________________________________

No Agony, No Bragony!

 
 
 

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Post by J.C. Watts Ensli » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:27:41


Quote:

> >Armchair QB: NCAA, BCS should take steps to stem I-AA exodus
> >Adam Van Brimmer | Monday, December 22, 2008 at 12:30 am
> >ADAM VAN BRIMMER COLUMN

> >The long-running conversation about Georgia Southern's NCAA Division I-
> >A football prospects will soon become a debate.

> >The school's feasibility study is due out next month, and fans both
> >for and against the move will find material to support their
> >positions. The report will not offer a recommendation; it will only
> >outline the challenges GSU would face in going I-A (Football Bowl
> >Subdivision) as well as the resources and revenue streams available.

> >The study's chief consultants - former major college athletic
> >directors Andy Geiger and Mike McGee - do have some advice for the
> >NCAA, though: Pretty up Division I-AA football.

> >Do so before all the remaining marquee programs - like Georgia
> >Southern and Appalachian State - follow Marshall, Troy and Western
> >Kentucky into major college football's netherworld, known as the Sun
> >Belt Conference and Conference USA.

> And having the "good" teams move up to The Subdivision Formerly Known
> As I-A while the others drop down to D2 (which would give the NCAA the
> excuse it needs to split D2 into 2-A and 2-AA) so there would be just
> one Division 1 in football is a bad thing in what way? ?It doesn't
> seem to hurt basketball that much.

1. Nobody drops down to D2...it makes no sense to do so.  Same basic
costs, but you lose the basketball revenue.

2. Why would you divide D2 into two divisions?  They are mostly
smaller public universities.

The major issue is that the revenue is so great in the FBS, that the
incentive is for teams to jump up...and the article is correct...you
aren't going to change that unless you share more revenue.

Jon

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Bellom » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:51:05

Yeah, and California plays Southern California every year.
Every big state school has a directional pansy on its
schedule...

cb

 
 
 

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Post by unclej » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:57:24


Quote:
> Yeah, and California plays Southern California every year.
> Every big state school has a directional pansy on its
> schedule...

TMML.  Clever.  Really.

-Junior

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Bellom » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:08:44

unclejr wrote, On 1/3/09 9:57 PM:

Quote:

>> Yeah, and California plays Southern California every year.
>> Every big state school has a directional pansy on its
>> schedule...

> TMML.  Clever.  Really.

Danke!

cb

 
 
 

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Post by Plaidmoo » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:45:40

Quote:


>>Armchair QB: NCAA, BCS should take steps to stem I-AA exodus
>>Adam Van Brimmer | Monday, December 22, 2008 at 12:30 am
>>ADAM VAN BRIMMER COLUMN

>>The long-running conversation about Georgia Southern's NCAA Division I-
>>A football prospects will soon become a debate.

>>The school's feasibility study is due out next month, and fans both
>>for and against the move will find material to support their
>>positions. The report will not offer a recommendation; it will only
>>outline the challenges GSU would face in going I-A (Football Bowl
>>Subdivision) as well as the resources and revenue streams available.

>>The study's chief consultants - former major college athletic
>>directors Andy Geiger and Mike McGee - do have some advice for the
>>NCAA, though: Pretty up Division I-AA football.

>>Do so before all the remaining marquee programs - like Georgia
>>Southern and Appalachian State - follow Marshall, Troy and Western
>>Kentucky into major college football's netherworld, known as the Sun
>>Belt Conference and Conference USA.

> And having the "good" teams move up to The Subdivision Formerly Known
> As I-A while the others drop down to D2 (which would give the NCAA the
> excuse it needs to split D2 into 2-A and 2-AA) so there would be just
> one Division 1 in football is a bad thing in what way?  It doesn't
> seem to hurt basketball that much.

> Meanwhile, would it kill the NCAA to bring back the "football
> exception" to making D1 schools play D1 sports?

>>Now is the time for the NCAA and BCS to take action. A moratorium on
>>moving from I-AA to I-A is in place through 2011. The BCS will
>>generate almost $150,000,000 in revenue this year. That number will
>>continue to grow.

>>The power conferences can give every I-AA program $250,000 of the BCS
>>money and still pocket tens of millions of their own. And there's no
>>debating that.

> "We give the small schools enough of 'our' basketball money; we're not
> about to do it with the football money as well!" - pretty much every
> BCS school AD.  (The least that each school receives this year from
> the basketball pool is about $100,000 - the eight WCC schools get
> $500,000 each, and I don't think any of them even play football.)

San Diego plays 1-AA football. St. Mary's and Santa Clara
discontinued football some years back. I don't think the
others have played football in a long time. Possibly
Gonzaga, but that's just a vague memory.

Plaidmoon

 
 
 

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Post by Alexander_ The_Gre » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:59:51

Re: GEORGIA PLAYS GEORGIA SOUTHERN EVERY YEAR...  

Group: rec.sport.football.college Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009, 5:25pm (CST-2)

So what?
I think every school can have one regional matchup it plays on its OOC
each year.
And if you do, the other OOC games better make up for it.
Oh wait, this is the SEC we're talking about, right?  

As if U$C's "tough" match up next season against mighty San Jose State
is any better.

 
 
 

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Post by unclej » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:24:05


Quote:

> As if U$C's "tough" match up next season against mighty San Jose State
> is any better.

At least SJSU is FBS *and* USC is TRYING to replace that game with a
more-competetive opponent.

Hey, I have a great idea!  How about a home-and-home with FU?!!1!!?!
1?  No, I didn't think that the FU athletic director would have the
balls to schedule it.  FU and the rest of the SEC -- still a pathetic
fraud.

-Junior

 
 
 

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Post by deemsb.. » Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:43:04


Quote:


> > As if U$C's "tough" match up next season against mighty San Jose State
> > is any better.

> At least SJSU is FBS *and* USC is TRYING to replace that game with a
> more-competetive opponent.

> Hey, I have a great idea! ?How about a home-and-home with FU?!!1!!?!
> 1? ?No, I didn't think that the FU athletic director would have the
> balls to schedule it. ?FU and the rest of the SEC -- still a pathetic
> fraud.

> -Junior

     Has USC contacted Florida? Has Florida turned them down? Cite? Or
are you the pathetic fraud?
 
 
 

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Post by unclej » Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:40:10


Quote:
> ? ? ?Has USC contacted Florida? Has Florida turned them down? Cite? Or
> are you the pathetic fraud?

Dude.  That lure wasn't meant for you.  Now, kindly unhook yourself
and let the Great one reply.  Thankee in advance.

-Junior

 
 
 

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Post by That Don Gu » Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:03:56

Quote:


>> "We give the small schools enough of 'our' basketball money; we're not
>> about to do it with the football money as well!" - pretty much every
>> BCS school AD.  (The least that each school receives this year from
>> the basketball pool is about $100,000 - the eight WCC schools get
>> $500,000 each, and I don't think any of them even play football.)

>San Diego plays 1-AA football. St. Mary's and Santa Clara
>discontinued football some years back. I don't think the
>others have played football in a long time. Possibly
>Gonzaga, but that's just a vague memory.

San Francisco was on-again, off-again, usually in D3.

Santa Clara dropped its program when the NCAA demanded that D1 schools
play only D1 football (they made it to the D2 semis somewhere around
1980 - they lost to eventual champion Cal Poly, as I recall.)

-- Don
___________________________________________________________

No Agony, No Bragony!