Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Jim Brow » Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:44:51


So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
roundball game last night.  She did, but... it ran late. (I always
record the show following a sporting event just in case)  So I got to
watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.  Then I got
to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran
out of gas.

Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game?  WTF?
They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.
Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan
player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call  a tie-up.  Hell,
Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that
blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

Outcome would have been the same.  Still.

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by » Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:01:48


Quote:
> So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one. ?Then I got
> to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran
> out of gas.

> Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game? ?WTF?
> They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.
> Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan
> player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call ?a tie-up. ?Hell,
> Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that
> blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> Outcome would have been the same. ?Still.

It looked like it was just bad both ways....I don't like basketball as
it's played today.   The last Louisville bucket or one of the last the
guy was underneath and must have been fouled about 3 times and still
put the ball up high off the glass and in.

Dan

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Jim Brow » Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:08:01


Quote:

> > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one. ?Then I got
> > to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran
> > out of gas.

> > Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game? ?WTF?
> > They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.
> > Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan
> > player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call ?a tie-up. ?Hell,
> > Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that
> > blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> > Outcome would have been the same. ?Still.

> It looked like it was just bad both ways....I don't like basketball as
> it's played today. ? The last Louisville bucket or one of the last the
> guy was underneath and must have been fouled about 3 times and still
> put the ball up high off the glass and in.

The finesse of the game went by the wayside when both sides figured
out they were able to get away with *** on the court.

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Futbol Pha » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 02:34:18

Quote:



> > > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple

> > > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the

> > > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always

> > > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to

> > > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one. ?Then I got

> > > to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran

> > > out of gas.

> > > Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game? ?WTF?

> > > They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.

> > > Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan

> > > player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call ?a tie-up. ?Hell,

> > > Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that

> > > blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> > > Outcome would have been the same. ?Still.

> > It looked like it was just bad both ways....I don't like basketball as

> > it's played today. ? The last Louisville bucket or one of the last the

> > guy was underneath and must have been fouled about 3 times and still

> > put the ball up high off the glass and in.

> The finesse of the game went by the wayside when both sides figured

> out they were able to get away with *** on the court.

I read an interview with Pitino a day or two ago in which he was bemoaning the way the college game is played today, or more accurately, the way it is being officiated.  He was saying that NCAA BB, and Big East BB in particular, needed to be officiated more like the NBA-- tighten up interpretations on blocking fouls, moving picks, reach-ins, etc.  I gotta agree with this-- it has gotten so physical that  skilled players can't show their abilities while lunks thrive.  

Last night's game was a perfect example. Some of the calls were inexplicable, and not a matter of interpreting what's too physical-- a missed goaltend that even those in the top row could see, a kicked ball by McGary, Burke's perfect block late in the game that was called a foul, and others.  But most of the officiating  mess was the result of interpreting what is allowed on the floor.  Several times players were bumped right off the floor while holding or dribbling the ball. McGary got chop blocked once on a play that would earn a flag in football.  Reach-ins on virtually every trip up the floor.  All uncalled. Ridiculously poor, and makes you wonder how this officiating crew got selected to do the biggest game of the year.

Turns out that two of the three refs were Big East officials, and both had officiated at least a dozen Louisville games this season.  Allowing this was a very bad idea. I'm not saying that it resulted in open bias for one team (although it certainly opens the door to such suggestions), but having officials who are very familiar with one team and their style of play will inevitably result in them calling the game differently than they otherwise would with two teams that are unknowns to them.  I'm also pretty sure that their relation with Pitino would be different than their relationship with Beilein. That could work either way, but regardless it shouldn't be a factor in a championship game.

So in the end it was ironic that Pitino was complaining about the way the college game is being called before the game, but appeared to clearly benefit from it during the game.

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Jim Brow » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:45:06


Quote:



> > > > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple

> > > > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the

> > > > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always

> > > > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to

> > > > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one. ?Then I got

> > > > to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran

> > > > out of gas.

> > > > Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game? ?WTF?

> > > > They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.

> > > > Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan

> > > > player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call ?a tie-up. ?Hell,

> > > > Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that

> > > > blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> > > > Outcome would have been the same. ?Still.

> > > It looked like it was just bad both ways....I don't like basketball as

> > > it's played today. ? The last Louisville bucket or one of the last the

> > > guy was underneath and must have been fouled about 3 times and still

> > > put the ball up high off the glass and in.

> > The finesse of the game went by the wayside when both sides figured

> > out they were able to get away with *** on the court.

> I read an interview with Pitino a day or two ago in which he was bemoaning the way the college game is played today, or more accurately, the way it is being officiated. ?He was saying that NCAA BB, and Big East BB in particular, needed to be officiated more like the NBA-- tighten up interpretations on blocking fouls, moving picks, reach-ins, etc. ?I gotta agree with this-- it has gotten so physical that ?skilled players can't show their abilities while lunks thrive.

> Last night's game was a perfect example. Some of the calls were inexplicable, and not a matter of interpreting what's too physical-- a missed goaltend that even those in the top row could see, a kicked ball by McGary, Burke's perfect block late in the game that was called a foul, and others. ?But most of the officiating ?mess was the result of interpreting what is allowed on the floor. ?Several times players were bumped right off the floor while holding or dribbling the ball. McGary got chop blocked once on a play that would earn a flag in football. ?Reach-ins on virtually every trip up the floor. ?All uncalled. Ridiculously poor, and makes you wonder how this officiating crew got selected to do the biggest game of the year.

> Turns out that two of the three refs were Big East officials, and both had officiated at least a dozen Louisville games this season. ?Allowing this was a very bad idea. I'm not saying that it resulted in open bias for one team (although it certainly opens the door to such suggestions), but having officials who are very familiar with one team and their style of play will inevitably result in them calling the game differently than they otherwise would with two teams that are unknowns to them. ?I'm also pretty sure that their relation with Pitino would be different than their relationship with Beilein. That could work either way, but regardless it shouldn't be a factor in a championship game.

> So in the end it was ironic that Pitino was complaining about the way the college game is being called before the game, but appeared to clearly benefit from it during the game.-

Nicely stated.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by xyzz » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:53:43


Quote:
> So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.

My DVR (da Hoppa :) automatically adds an hour to sporting events.

That's nice but it would be nicer if it also did it with events that
follow sporting events, since they are often pushed back too.

It does automatically add 1 minute to the beginning and 3 minutes to
the end of all programs.  Because of that, I didn't miss the ending of
The Americans this week when everyone else was ***ing about FXs
scheduling rfsckup.

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Futbol Pha » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:03:35

Quote:





> > > > > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple

> > > > > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the

> > > > > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always

> > > > > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to

> > > > > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one. ?Then I got

> > > > > to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran

> > > > > out of gas.

> > > > > Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game? ?WTF?

> > > > > They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.

> > > > > Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan

> > > > > player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call ?a tie-up. ?Hell,

> > > > > Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that

> > > > > blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> > > > > Outcome would have been the same. ?Still.

> > > > It looked like it was just bad both ways....I don't like basketball as

> > > > it's played today. ? The last Louisville bucket or one of the last the

> > > > guy was underneath and must have been fouled about 3 times and still

> > > > put the ball up high off the glass and in.

> > > The finesse of the game went by the wayside when both sides figured

> > > out they were able to get away with *** on the court.

> > I read an interview with Pitino a day or two ago in which he was bemoaning the way the college game is played today, or more accurately, the way it is being officiated. ?He was saying that NCAA BB, and Big East BB in particular, needed to be officiated more like the NBA-- tighten up interpretations on blocking fouls, moving picks, reach-ins, etc. ?I gotta agree with this-- it has gotten so physical that ?skilled players can't show their abilities while lunks thrive.

> > Last night's game was a perfect example. Some of the calls were inexplicable, and not a matter of interpreting what's too physical-- a missed goaltend that even those in the top row could see, a kicked ball by McGary, Burke's perfect block late in the game that was called a foul, and others. ?But most of the officiating ?mess was the result of interpreting what is allowed on the floor. ?Several times players were bumped right off the floor while holding or dribbling the ball. McGary got chop blocked once on a play that would earn a flag in football. ?Reach-ins on virtually every trip up the floor. ?All uncalled. Ridiculously poor, and makes you wonder how this officiating crew got selected to do the biggest game of the year.

> > Turns out that two of the three refs were Big East officials, and both had officiated at least a dozen Louisville games this season. ?Allowing this was a very bad idea. I'm not saying that it resulted in open bias for one team (although it certainly opens the door to such suggestions), but having officials who are very familiar with one team and their style of play will inevitably result in them calling the game differently than they otherwise would with two teams that are unknowns to them. ?I'm also pretty sure that their relation with Pitino would be different than their relationship with Beilein. That could work either way, but regardless it shouldn't be a factor in a championship game.

> > So in the end it was ironic that Pitino was complaining about the way the college game is being called before the game, but appeared to clearly benefit from it during the game.-

> Nicely stated.

More evidence, I think of why Pitino was worthy of his recent HOF selection. He understands what the rules (and particular officials) will allow, and pushes it to the limit.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Jim Brow » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:10:32


Quote:

> > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.

> My DVR (da Hoppa :) automatically adds an hour to sporting events.

> That's nice but it would be nicer if it also did it with events that
> follow sporting events, since they are often pushed back too.

> It does automatically add 1 minute to the beginning and 3 minutes to
> the end of all programs. ?Because of that, I didn't miss the ending of
> The Americans this week when everyone else was ***ing about FXs
> scheduling rfsckup.

I've got Dish DVR, and it automatically adds the hour IF you program
the recording.  But...if you hit record after the game starts, it does
not.  That was the problem last night.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by xyzz » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:14:56


Quote:


> > > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> > > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> > > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> > > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> > > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.

> > My DVR (da Hoppa :) automatically adds an hour to sporting events.

> > That's nice but it would be nicer if it also did it with events that
> > follow sporting events, since they are often pushed back too.

> > It does automatically add 1 minute to the beginning and 3 minutes to
> > the end of all programs. ?Because of that, I didn't miss the ending of
> > The Americans this week when everyone else was ***ing about FXs
> > scheduling rfsckup.

> I've got Dish DVR, and it automatically adds the hour IF you program
> the recording. ?But...if you hit record after the game starts, it does
> not. ?That was the problem last night.

ahhhh... key difference that reveals inadequate real world
testing,which is pretty much how Dish operates. .

Should suggest that to them.

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Jim Brow » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:24:07


Quote:



> > > > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> > > > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> > > > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> > > > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> > > > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.

> > > My DVR (da Hoppa :) automatically adds an hour to sporting events.

> > > That's nice but it would be nicer if it also did it with events that
> > > follow sporting events, since they are often pushed back too.

> > > It does automatically add 1 minute to the beginning and 3 minutes to
> > > the end of all programs. ?Because of that, I didn't miss the ending of
> > > The Americans this week when everyone else was ***ing about FXs
> > > scheduling rfsckup.

> > I've got Dish DVR, and it automatically adds the hour IF you program
> > the recording. ?But...if you hit record after the game starts, it does
> > not. ?That was the problem last night.

> ahhhh... key difference that reveals inadequate real world
> testing,which is pretty much how Dish operates. .

> Should suggest that to them.-

The wife should have known better....I'd give her a good beating if I
thought my food would ever be safe to eat again.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Futbol Pha » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:00:37

Quote:



> > > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple

> > > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the

> > > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always

> > > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to

> > > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.

> > My DVR (da Hoppa :) automatically adds an hour to sporting events.

> > That's nice but it would be nicer if it also did it with events that

> > follow sporting events, since they are often pushed back too.

> > It does automatically add 1 minute to the beginning and 3 minutes to

> > the end of all programs. ?Because of that, I didn't miss the ending of

> > The Americans this week when everyone else was ***ing about FXs

> > scheduling rfsckup.

> I've got Dish DVR, and it automatically adds the hour IF you program

> the recording.  But...if you hit record after the game starts, it does

> not.  That was the problem last night.

Well the main thing you missed in the last four minutes was a spectacular play-of-the-game worthy all-ball, no-body block by Burke, who came out of nowhere to run down a Louisville player on a break. Or at least it would have been p-o-t-g worthy had it not been called a foul on Burke, his 4th, the one that neutered him defensively for the rest of the game.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Zaphod Beeblebro » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:06:18

Disculpa Senora Jim Brown, pero did you really mime the following  on
4/9/2013 9:44 AM???

Quote:
> So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> roundball game last night.  She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> record the show following a sporting event just in case)  So I got to
> watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.  Then I got
> to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran
> out of gas.

> Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game?  WTF?
> They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.
> Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan
> player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call  a tie-up.  Hell,
> Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that
> blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> Outcome would have been the same.  Still.

I guess you could count me in the minority that doesn't think the game
was that badly officiated.  I'm sure it's my bias from watching years
and years of Georgetown and Pitt and UConn and Syracuse and Cinci -
pretty much all of those teams are more physical than Louisville. I
don't care as long as it's not biased in one direction. Nothing is more
boring than a free throw fest with every ticky tack call being made to
interrupt the game - give me something smooth-flowing and entertaining
with equal measures of great shooting and tough defense.  Kinda like
last night's game.

--
There lived a sage in days of yore
And he a handsome pigtail wore
He wondered much and sorrowed more
Because it hung behind him

 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by Jim Brow » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:30:41



Quote:
> Disculpa Senora Jim Brown, pero did you really mime the following ?on
> 4/9/2013 9:44 AM???

> > So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
> > nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
> > roundball game last night. ?She did, but... it ran late. (I always
> > record the show following a sporting event just in case) ?So I got to
> > watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one. ?Then I got
> > to switch over to sportscenter to learn that Michigan had, indeed, ran
> > out of gas.

> > Anyways....was that the worst refs EVER on a national game? ?WTF?
> > They'd let ten fouls go then call the eleventh...It went both ways.
> > Then the tie ups...Louisville would foul the hell out of a Michigan
> > player, just barely touch the ball and they'd call ?a tie-up. ?Hell,
> > Burke got two-leg tackled under the basket with no call...and that
> > blatant kick by Michigan right in front of the ref....no call.

> > Outcome would have been the same. ?Still.

> I guess you could count me in the minority that doesn't think the game
> was that badly officiated. ?I'm sure it's my bias from watching years
> and years of Georgetown and Pitt and UConn and Syracuse and Cinci -
> pretty much all of those teams are more physical than Louisville. I
> don't care as long as it's not biased in one direction. Nothing is more
> boring than a free throw fest with every ticky tack call being made to
> interrupt the game - give me something smooth-flowing and entertaining
> with equal measures of great shooting and tough defense. ?Kinda like
> last night's game.

I agree...but you gotta call the obvious ones....and NOT call the
clean blocks and steals.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by WrongWayWad » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:12:28

Quote:

> Turns out that two of the three refs were Big East officials, and
> both had officiated at least a dozen Louisville games this season.
> Allowing this was a very bad idea.

Is this really true?  I thought in college football at bowl games they
ALWAYS get a crew from a conference that neither team is from.
It's lame if basketball doesn't see this as a problem.  It's not like there
aren't enough conferences to choose from in bouncyball.
 
 
 

Last nite's refs (and the perils of the DVR)

Post by WrongWayWad » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:15:01

Quote:



>>> So I was out in the field seeding cover crops late the past couple
>>> nights with rain coming in today, so I told my wife to record the
>>> roundball game last night. She did, but... it ran late. (I always
>>> record the show following a sporting event just in case) So I got to
>>> watch the first 36 minutes of the game at midnight or one.

>> My DVR (da Hoppa :) automatically adds an hour to sporting events.

>> That's nice but it would be nicer if it also did it with events that
>> follow sporting events, since they are often pushed back too.

>> It does automatically add 1 minute to the beginning and 3 minutes to
>> the end of all programs. Because of that, I didn't miss the ending of
>> The Americans this week when everyone else was ***ing about FXs
>> scheduling rfsckup.

> I've got Dish DVR, and it automatically adds the hour IF you program
> the recording.  But...if you hit record after the game starts, it does
> not.  That was the problem last night.

But it begs how poorly they 'schedule' sports on the TV.  They have pro
football games that are scheduled for exactly 3 hours, when these NEVER
finish in three hours.  This basketball game was set for 9:00 to 11:30, and
there was 1/2 hour of pregame nonsense.  Just the game itself seldom
finishes in 2.5 hours.