My Sugar Bowl Pick

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Jon Russel » Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:43:33


to no great surprise

LSU v USC

I donut think I need to spell out why.

Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs.

The CheeseHusker

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by jim andrew » Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:08:36


says...

Quote:
> to no great surprise

> LSU v USC

> I donut think I need to spell out why.

No need to spell it out.  A playoff would have worked out beautifully in
this regard, too -- #1 OU vs. #15 KSU is ***TOO*** close to #1 vs #16 to
ignore.

jim andrews (***TOO***)

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Trent Woodru » Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:51:51

Quote:
>jim andrews was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...

>> to no great surprise
>> LSU v USC
>> I donut think I need to spell out why.
>No need to spell it out.  A playoff would have worked out beautifully in
>this regard, too -- #1 OU vs. #15 KSU is ***TOO*** close to #1 vs #16 to
>ignore.

For me, that just outlines why we DON'T want a playoff.

Trent
Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger

...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Bryan S. Slic » Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:54:50


[Sun, 07 Dec 2003 05:51:51 GMT]

:>No need to spell it out.  A playoff would have worked out beautifully in
:>this regard, too -- #1 OU vs. #15 KSU is ***TOO*** close to #1 vs #16 to
:>ignore.
:
:For me, that just outlines why we DON'T want a playoff.

So would this be your ideal playoff, then?

Round 1
-------
                          Winner
Seed 8 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
Seed 7 vs. Seed 2         Seed 2
Seed 6 vs. Seed 3         Seed 3
Seed 5 vs. Seed 4         Seed 4

Round 2
-------

Seed 4 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
Seed 3 vs. Seed 2         Seed 2

Round 3
-------

Seed 2 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1

--
Bryan S. Slick, bryan_s at slick-family dot net

"To those who have fought for it,
 freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Trent Woodru » Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:01:08

Quote:
>Bryan S. Slick was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...

>>>No need to spell it out.  A playoff would have worked out beautifully in
>>>this regard, too -- #1 OU vs. #15 KSU is ***TOO*** close to #1 vs #16 to
>>>ignore.
>>For me, that just outlines why we DON'T want a playoff.
>So would this be your ideal playoff, then?
>Round 1
>-------
>                          Winner
>Seed 8 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
>Seed 7 vs. Seed 2         Seed 2
>Seed 6 vs. Seed 3         Seed 3
>Seed 5 vs. Seed 4         Seed 4
>Round 2
>-------
>Seed 4 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
>Seed 3 vs. Seed 2         Seed 2
>Round 3
>-------
>Seed 2 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1

No...I've been pretty clear in saying that I don't think a playoff is
the way to go.

It seems pretty dumb to me to allow the #15 team to win the
championship simply because they're the team that happened to get hot
or remain uninjured at the end.

Thus, my point above.

Trent
Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger

...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Bryan S. Slic » Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:59:06


[Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:01:08 GMT]

:>Bryan S. Slick was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...

:
:>>>No need to spell it out.  A playoff would have worked out beautifully in
:>>>this regard, too -- #1 OU vs. #15 KSU is ***TOO*** close to #1 vs #16 to
:>>>ignore.
:
:>>For me, that just outlines why we DON'T want a playoff.
:
:>So would this be your ideal playoff, then?
:>Round 1
:>-------
:>                          Winner
:>Seed 8 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
:>Seed 7 vs. Seed 2         Seed 2
:>Seed 6 vs. Seed 3         Seed 3
:>Seed 5 vs. Seed 4         Seed 4
:>Round 2
:>-------
:>Seed 4 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
:>Seed 3 vs. Seed 2         Seed 2
:>Round 3
:>-------
:>Seed 2 vs. Seed 1         Seed 1
:
:No...I've been pretty clear in saying that I don't think a playoff is
:the way to go.
:
:It seems pretty dumb to me to allow the #15 team to win the
:championship simply because they're the team that happened to get hot
:or remain uninjured at the end.
:
:Thus, my point above.

That's what I said.  If there were a playoff, your ideal scenario would
be for there to be no upsets.

The basic problem with playoffs is that too many people get wrapped
around the axle on the term "champion", as if it means or should mean
"best team".  It doesn't, and it never has.  It simply means the team
that won the end-of-season tournament.  Yes, it's the end goal of every
team.. but you don't always have to be the BEST team to get it.  Even
now, you don't have to be the BEST team to win the mythical championship
that exists in college football.  Was Ohio State the best team in '02?  
No.  Was Florida State the best team in '99?  No.  Were the Marlins the
best team in baseball last year?  No.  What about the year the Mariners
won all those games in the regular season?  Surely they were the best
team.  In all the mentioned seasons, though, someone other than the
"best" team ended up being the "champion".. and SO WHAT?!  The
"champion" is the one that did what was necessary to win the
championship at the end of the season.. and that's all one should ever
read into the term.

Discounting a playoff because a team that wasn't the "best" and
therefore hasn't "earned" the right to be the champion is just plain
stupid.

--
Bryan S. Slick, bryan_s at slick-family dot net

"To those who have fought for it,
 freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Al B » Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:47:30

Quote:

>For me, that just outlines why we DON'T want a playoff.

By all rights a playoff in the S        EC or Big 12 should be
optional instead of mandatory.  Although the Wildcats pounding of the
Sooners illustrates how "on any given day", etc. the overall Big 12
records indicate the logical choice would have been a playoff of the
top 2 teams in the league **if** they didn't meet in the regular
season.  In this case it would have meant OU - Texas with OU getting
the nod since they've already met. Instead we get an uppity 3 loss
team like the Wildcats who did a superb job of preparing for this one
game and now we have a 3 loss team going to a BCS bowl when it's clear
there are other more deserving teams.  Arguably the thrashing of OU
might be enough to warrant them going but one does have to wonder.

LSU and OU had their playoffs.  LSU survived, OU didn't.  USC and
Michigan had no playoff.   One has to wonder which one of them would
have failed too.  

My point?  Conference playoffs are well and fine, but let's make them
for all conferences, not just the Big 12 and SEC.

My human side says LSU and USC deserve to be in the title game. My
logical side says LSU and OU deserve that honor.  We shall see.

 
 
 

My Sugar Bowl Pick

Post by Jon Russel » Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:09:33

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:59:06 -0500, Bryan S. Slick

Quote:

>The basic problem with playoffs is that too many people get wrapped
>around the axle on the term "champion", as if it means or should mean
>"best team".  It doesn't, and it never has.  It simply means the team
>that won the end-of-season tournament.  Yes, it's the end goal of every
>team.. but you don't always have to be the BEST team to get it.  

Yes.

Who are you and what have you done with Sgt Slick?

Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs

The CheeseHusker