Eddie digs the boots into Rod Butterss

Eddie digs the boots into Rod Butterss

Post by Boog » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:48:06


Was trying to enjoy a football game on free to air TV until Eddie
decided at half time to dig the boots into the president of our club.

I started thinking the conflict of interest implications, AFL
presidential politics, the AFL station. Eventually I got a little bit
confused and annoyed with him using his commentary? position to wage a
political war against another club and figured I had had enough so I
just turned the game off. Who needs a footy match spoilt by a club
president using his position as a commentator to wage a political war
against another club? Eddie and channel 9 be damned.

His pathetic attack on Butterss included "Rod's argument all fell
apart because last weekend StKilda played Carlton which in itself was
a blockbuster game"!

You would think that Eddie would know that a Saturday afternoon game
at Colonial is not quite as featured as an Anzac day game etc!

Fair dinkum, Eddie will use everything he can in his new position to
boost Collingwood's position in the AFL to the detriment of all other
clubs whenever possible.

I am understanding more and more why Tim Lane left; unfortunately all
I could do is turn the Eddie show off. Too bad because I was enjoying
the game to that point.

Are there no directives at all as to how far Eddie can go as a
broadcaster or does he have free reign to use his commentating
position to further his interests as a club president?

 
 
 

Eddie digs the boots into Rod Butterss

Post by David J Richardso » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:05:35



Quote:
> Was trying to enjoy a football game on free to air TV until Eddie
> decided at half time to dig the boots into the president of our club.

> I started thinking the conflict of interest implications, AFL
> presidential politics, the AFL station. Eventually I got a little bit
> confused and annoyed with him using his commentary? position to wage a
> political war against another club and figured I had had enough so I
> just turned the game off.

You didn't miss anything in the second half. As Rex might say, Essendon
started slow and then they really slackened off.

Quote:
> His pathetic attack on Butterss included "Rod's argument all fell
> apart because last weekend StKilda played Carlton which in itself was
> a blockbuster game"!

How could it be a blockbuster? It wasn't on Nein!

Quote:
> Are there no directives at all as to how far Eddie can go as a
> broadcaster or does he have free reign to use his commentating
> position to further his interests as a club president?

I'll assume this is a rhetorical question :)

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Post by Stephen Callagha » Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:19:05


Quote:

> Was trying to enjoy a football game on free to air TV until Eddie
> decided at half time to dig the boots into the president of our club.

>snip

Turn the sound down....ingest your favorite mind altering substance...whack
some ' Floyd on the music box and watch the game! beats eddies waffle!

 
 
 

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Post by BJS » Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:18:13

The problem here is everyone thinks that if the AFL declare a game a
"blockbuster" and stage it at the MCG on a public holiday, then 70-90,000
people will turn up!  Sorry but that doesn't make a blockbuster.

A blockbuster game is when 2 of the teams which have the big supporter base
are coming up to play each other.  This is either 2 of the traditionally
large supporter based teams (Ess, Car, Col, Ric) or 2 teams that are doing
particularly well and have had a lot of their supporters "jumping on the
bandwagon" (note that Ric could also be slotted in here!).  The fact that
they are highlighted on days such as ANZAC day are the rewards for years of
consistantly high crowds (and a lot of work by the clubs).

So, all you StK/WB/Haw, fairweather supporters, if you want a blockbuster,
then get out and buy a ***in' membership EVERY YEAR and TURN UP EVERY WEEK
so the AFL thinks these teams are supported and likely to pull a big crowd.
The problem is, as usual, you want handouts.  You want the AFL to make a
rule or something that says all the members of the other clubs have to
volunteer 1 match a year to attend a game involving StK/WB/Haw so they can
have their "blockbuster".

Essendon's average crowd during losing seasons is around 30-40,000.  This
would be considered a great crowd for a match betweeen the latter group of
teams.


Quote:
> Was trying to enjoy a football game on free to air TV until Eddie
> decided at half time to dig the boots into the president of our club.

> I started thinking the conflict of interest implications, AFL
> presidential politics, the AFL station. Eventually I got a little bit
> confused and annoyed with him using his commentary? position to wage a
> political war against another club and figured I had had enough so I
> just turned the game off. Who needs a footy match spoilt by a club
> president using his position as a commentator to wage a political war
> against another club? Eddie and channel 9 be damned.

> His pathetic attack on Butterss included "Rod's argument all fell
> apart because last weekend StKilda played Carlton which in itself was
> a blockbuster game"!

> You would think that Eddie would know that a Saturday afternoon game
> at Colonial is not quite as featured as an Anzac day game etc!

> Fair dinkum, Eddie will use everything he can in his new position to
> boost Collingwood's position in the AFL to the detriment of all other
> clubs whenever possible.

> I am understanding more and more why Tim Lane left; unfortunately all
> I could do is turn the Eddie show off. Too bad because I was enjoying
> the game to that point.

> Are there no directives at all as to how far Eddie can go as a
> broadcaster or does he have free reign to use his commentating
> position to further his interests as a club president?

 
 
 

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Post by David J Richardso » Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:29:35



Quote:
> The problem here is everyone thinks that if the AFL declare a game a
> "blockbuster" and stage it at the MCG on a public holiday, then
> 70-90,000 people will turn up!  Sorry but that doesn't make a
> blockbuster.

I agree, but heh, i'm not liking the odds on that many turning up for
Coll-Carl next week...

Quote:
> Essendon's average crowd during losing seasons is around 30-40,000.  
> This would be considered a great crowd for a match betweeen the
> latter group of teams.

In 97, it was actually ~50k. And to be fair, the AFL average crowd is

Quote:
>30k.

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Post by Peter Dellasandr » Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:16:04



Quote:
> > Essendon's average crowd during losing seasons is around 30-40,000.
> > This would be considered a great crowd for a match betweeen the
> > latter group of teams.

> In 97, it was actually ~50k. And to be fair, the AFL average crowd is
> >30k.

Essendon's average crowd in 97 was 46 919 which isn't 30-40 k nor is it
~50K.
 
 
 

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Post by Moomb » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:17:40


Quote:
> The problem here is everyone thinks that if the AFL declare a game a
> "blockbuster" and stage it at the MCG on a public holiday, then 70-90,000
> people will turn up!  Sorry but that doesn't make a blockbuster.

> A blockbuster game is when 2 of the teams which have the big supporter
base
> are coming up to play each other.  This is either 2 of the traditionally
> large supporter based teams (Ess, Car, Col, Ric) or 2 teams that are doing
> particularly well and have had a lot of their supporters "jumping on the
> bandwagon" (note that Ric could also be slotted in here!).  The fact that
> they are highlighted on days such as ANZAC day are the rewards for years
of
> consistantly high crowds (and a lot of work by the clubs).

> So, all you StK/WB/Haw, fairweather supporters, if you want a blockbuster,
> then get out and buy a ***in' membership EVERY YEAR and TURN UP EVERY
WEEK
> so the AFL thinks these teams are supported and likely to pull a big
crowd.
> The problem is, as usual, you want handouts.  You want the AFL to make a
> rule or something that says all the members of the other clubs have to
> volunteer 1 match a year to attend a game involving StK/WB/Haw so they can
> have their "blockbuster".

My criticism of the blockbuster concept is ONLY that Essendon, Richmond,
Carlton, Collingwood get guaranteed home games against each other. Other
clubs are only guaranteed a home game against each of these clubs once every
two years. North are more likely over a five year period likely to play Freo
at home than Collingwood. That affects our bottom line. Essendon on the
other hand is more likely over a five year period to play a home game
against Collingwood than Freo.

Moomba

 
 
 

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Post by BJS » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:18:32

But this is still dictated by the crowds.  Footy is BIG business.  If the
AFL knows that it will get 60,000+ crowds at Ess/Car/Coll/Ric games
regardless of how they are going in a particular season, then of course it
is going to schedule them to play as often as it can.  If the "barrackers"
for the other teams became "supporters" and showed up in BIG numbers year
after year, then they would start getting the big games as well.

It's all very well to knock the AFL for trying to generate the best crowds
it can, and then hold out the "please give us more money so we can survive"
hand.

How about we have 5 years of 30 game seasons where everybody plays each
other twice and let the home teams pocket the gate receipts and stop an
end-of-year payout or mid year prop-up payments.  At the end of this time we
see how many survivors there are.  Just remember that some of these "unfair"
blockbusters are probably helping to keep your team afloat!


Quote:



> > The problem here is everyone thinks that if the AFL declare a game a
> > "blockbuster" and stage it at the MCG on a public holiday, then
70-90,000
> > people will turn up!  Sorry but that doesn't make a blockbuster.

> > A blockbuster game is when 2 of the teams which have the big supporter
> base
> > are coming up to play each other.  This is either 2 of the traditionally
> > large supporter based teams (Ess, Car, Col, Ric) or 2 teams that are
doing
> > particularly well and have had a lot of their supporters "jumping on the
> > bandwagon" (note that Ric could also be slotted in here!).  The fact
that
> > they are highlighted on days such as ANZAC day are the rewards for years
> of
> > consistantly high crowds (and a lot of work by the clubs).

> > So, all you StK/WB/Haw, fairweather supporters, if you want a
blockbuster,
> > then get out and buy a ***in' membership EVERY YEAR and TURN UP EVERY
> WEEK
> > so the AFL thinks these teams are supported and likely to pull a big
> crowd.
> > The problem is, as usual, you want handouts.  You want the AFL to make a
> > rule or something that says all the members of the other clubs have to
> > volunteer 1 match a year to attend a game involving StK/WB/Haw so they
can
> > have their "blockbuster".

> My criticism of the blockbuster concept is ONLY that Essendon, Richmond,
> Carlton, Collingwood get guaranteed home games against each other. Other
> clubs are only guaranteed a home game against each of these clubs once
every
> two years. North are more likely over a five year period likely to play
Freo
> at home than Collingwood. That affects our bottom line. Essendon on the
> other hand is more likely over a five year period to play a home game
> against Collingwood than Freo.

> Moomba

 
 
 

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Post by Moomb » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:50:16


Quote:
> But this is still dictated by the crowds.  Footy is BIG business.  If the
> AFL knows that it will get 60,000+ crowds at Ess/Car/Coll/Ric games
> regardless of how they are going in a particular season, then of course it
> is going to schedule them to play as often as it can.  If the "barrackers"
> for the other teams became "supporters" and showed up in BIG numbers year
> after year, then they would start getting the big games as well.

North supporters are known for being among the most loyal in the comp.
Unfortunately there are not a lot of us. You might be happy for footy to be
a bug business, I prefer it to be a sport.

Quote:
> It's all very well to knock the AFL for trying to generate the best crowds
> it can, and then hold out the "please give us more money so we can
survive"
> hand.

Don't you mean the "please give us a share of our share of Waverley that we
helped build?

Quote:
> How about we have 5 years of 30 game seasons where everybody plays each
> other twice and let the home teams pocket the gate receipts and stop an
> end-of-year payout or mid year prop-up payments.  At the end of this time
we
> see how many survivors there are.  Just remember that some of these
"unfair"
> blockbusters are probably helping to keep your team afloat!

Rubbish. They are helping the competing clubs pocket more and more money.
Anything made by the non-competing clubs (and I am pretty sure we don't get
any share of the gate) would be dwarfed by the profit made by Essendon,
Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton for their extra 'blockbuster games'.

Moomba

 
 
 

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Post by Plugge » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:27:49


Quote:
> North supporters are known for being among the most loyal in the comp.
> Unfortunately there are not a lot of us. You might be happy for footy to
be
> a bug business, I prefer it to be a sport.

Sorry, but can't let that one go. Are you a Kiwi, or are you suggesting that
AFL is a competition played between various species of insect?

Plugger.

 
 
 

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Post by Moomb » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:24:43


Quote:


> > North supporters are known for being among the most loyal in the comp.
> > Unfortunately there are not a lot of us. You might be happy for footy to
> be
> > a bug business, I prefer it to be a sport.

> Sorry, but can't let that one go. Are you a Kiwi, or are you suggesting
that
> AFL is a competition played between various species of insect?

> Plugger.

Doh (smucks head suveral times)

Moomba

 
 
 

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Post by David J Richardso » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:31:31


Quote:

> My criticism of the blockbuster concept is ONLY that Essendon,
> Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood get guaranteed home games against each
> other. Other clubs are only guaranteed a home game against each of
> these clubs once every two years. North are more likely over a five
> year period likely to play Freo at home than Collingwood. That
> affects our bottom line. Essendon on the other hand is more likely
> over a five year period to play a home game against Collingwood than
> Freo.

I bet the Essendon and North coaches have different views on that!

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Post by BJS » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:26:59

Quote:
> North supporters are known for being among the most loyal in the comp.
> Unfortunately there are not a lot of us. You might be happy for footy to
be
> a bug business, I prefer it to be a sport.

Me too - but in case you haven't noticed, there are no fairies at the bottom
of the garden.  The FACTS are that AFL is BIG BUSINESS, like it or not.  If
you want just sport - follow your local league.

Quote:
> Don't you mean the "please give us a share of our share of Waverley that
we
> helped build?

So you can do what?  Prop up your team for a few extra years.  Once the
money's gone, if you ain't got supporters, you're back in the same boat!

I think you're missing the point I'm making here.  I'm not saying that we
should dump WB, Haw, Kangas, StK.  I am saying that if the "barrackers" of
these teams want to see a future for their teams and want to have
"blockbuster" games, then get out and SUPPORT them.  Buy a membership and go
to games - even in the years they are losing!!!!!!!

Maybe you have and do, in which case I applaude you - unfortunatley there
are simply not enough like you.  If you don't then you can only blame
yourself!

 
 
 

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Post by pharr » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:16:25


Quote:
> But this is still dictated by the crowds.  Footy is BIG business.  If the
> AFL knows that it will get 60,000+ crowds at Ess/Car/Coll/Ric games
> regardless of how they are going in a particular season, then of course it
> is going to schedule them to play as often as it can.  If the "barrackers"
> for the other teams became "supporters" and showed up in BIG numbers year
> after year, then they would start getting the big games as well.

> It's all very well to knock the AFL for trying to generate the best crowds
> it can, and then hold out the "please give us more money so we can
survive"
> hand.

> How about we have 5 years of 30 game seasons where everybody plays each
> other twice and let the home teams pocket the gate receipts and stop an
> end-of-year payout or mid year prop-up payments.  At the end of this time
we
> see how many survivors there are.  Just remember that some of these
"unfair"
> blockbusters are probably helping to keep your team afloat!

The thing is President Eddie as well as Big Jack, McMahon and that other
buffoon complain about propping up the so called weaker clubs. You can't
have it both ways. Either acknowledge that clubs like North, StKilda, the
Bulldogs and Melbourne are equally entitled to the premium dates like Anzac
Day or else keep your blockbuster dates with the best wishes from these
clubs but don't whinge when these clubs are compensated by the AFL for
allowing the big four to attract large crowds at the expense of the weaker
clubs.

pharro

 
 
 

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Post by Moomb » Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:14:36


Quote:
> > Don't you mean the "please give us a share of our share of Waverley that
> we
> > helped build?
> So you can do what?  Prop up your team for a few extra years.  Once the
> money's gone, if you ain't got supporters, you're back in the same boat

To pay off debt. To lessen the interest payments made by the club on that
debt. To further promote the club. Spend to capitalise on our success of the
90's and hopefully of the 00's. Richmond and Collingwood had no money once,
and while they have a greater capacity to earn money through their fanbase I
don't think it is too much to ask to give teams every opportunity to pull
themselves out of financial difficulty. Do you think that the AFL will be a
better competition without the likes of North, Bulldogs, Cats, Saints etc?
If so then you probably don't care but I believe that any support given to
these teams enhances the entire competition not just the clubs and their
supporters.

Quote:
> I think you're missing the point I'm making here.  I'm not saying that we
> should dump WB, Haw, Kangas, StK.  I am saying that if the "barrackers" of
> these teams want to see a future for their teams and want to have
> "blockbuster" games, then get out and SUPPORT them.  Buy a membership and
go
> to games - even in the years they are losing!!!!!!!

> Maybe you have and do, in which case I applaude you - unfortunatley there
> are simply not enough like you.  If you don't then you can only blame
> yourself!

I think you're missing my point. I am not asking for North to be allocated
blockbuster games (and I don't want to start a Good Friday debate). I am not
even asking for the event games such as Anzac day to be taken off the
current clubs. I just want the draw to be done on a totally equitable basis,
where my club is just as likely to play Essendon as to play Fremantle,
Geelong, St Kilda or whoever.

If we can't survive on our merits, given North have earned their share of
many assets such as Waverley Park, and given an equitable draw and given
support from the AFL for initiatives that we have undertaken that is just
something I will have to deal with.

Moomba