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Post by The Undead Edward M. Kenned » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:42:51



Quote:
> "I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
> crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

> "The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
> guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
> NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

What a ***ing liar (he cannot be that stupid):

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended."

Some twit will now argue we're being invaded *and* the public safety
warrants it.  Why dragging someone before a judge compromises the
public safety is one of life's great mysteries.

--Tedward

 
 
 

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Post by J. Hugh Sulliv » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:13:39



Quote:
>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>Tony

Due process may, or may not, require judicial process. A Grand Jury,
for example, may decide there is insufficient evidence for a trial.
Even so, due process is served.

Hugh

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Lim » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:03:23

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:42:51 -0500, "The Undead Edward M.

Quote:


>> "I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>> crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>> "The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>> guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>> NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>What a ***ing liar (he cannot be that stupid):

>"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended."

>Some twit will now argue we're being invaded *and* the public safety
>warrants it.  Why dragging someone before a judge compromises the
>public safety is one of life's great mysteries.

+1 -- obviously.

 
 
 

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Post by The Undead Edward M. Kenned » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:31:09


Quote:
>>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>>Tony

> Due process may, or may not, require judicial process. A Grand Jury,
> for example, may decide there is insufficient evidence for a trial.
> Even so, due process is served.

If a grand jury isn't a judicial process, I don't know what is.

--Tedward

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Lim » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:53:26

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:31:09 -0500, "The Undead Edward M.

Quote:


>>>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>>>Tony

>> Due process may, or may not, require judicial process. A Grand Jury,
>> for example, may decide there is insufficient evidence for a trial.
>> Even so, due process is served.

>If a grand jury isn't a judicial process, I don't know what is.

+1
 
 
 

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Post by J. Hugh Sulliv » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:46:42

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:31:09 -0500, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy"

Quote:


>>>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>>>Tony

>> Due process may, or may not, require judicial process. A Grand Jury,
>> for example, may decide there is insufficient evidence for a trial.
>> Even so, due process is served.

>If a grand jury isn't a judicial process, I don't know what is.

>--Tedward

Well, I was Foreman of the Grand Jury I was on. Should I list that as
"In Charge of the Judicial Process" on my resume?

But I thought the judicial process involved actual judgement. As I
recall what we did was "recommend" whether a person be held for trial.
We did moderate some internal law enforcement problems between
derpartments. Perhaps my definition of "process" was too narrow.

Hugh

 
 
 

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Post by The Undead Edward M. Kenned » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:53:36


Quote:
>>>>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>>>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>>>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>>>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>>>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>>>>Tony

>>> Due process may, or may not, require judicial process. A Grand Jury,
>>> for example, may decide there is insufficient evidence for a trial.
>>> Even so, due process is served.

>>If a grand jury isn't a judicial process, I don't know what is.

>>--Tedward

> Well, I was Foreman of the Grand Jury I was on. Should I list that as
> "In Charge of the Judicial Process" on my resume?

> But I thought the judicial process involved actual judgement. As I
> recall what we did was "recommend" whether a person be held for trial.

Well that too is a type of judgement.  I'm not going to waste time
nitpicking nuances with you, but a Grand Jury is certainly part of
the judicial process overall.

--Tedward

 
 
 

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Post by J. Hugh Sulliv » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:57:00

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:53:36 -0500, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy"

Quote:

>>>If a grand jury isn't a judicial process, I don't know what is.

>>>--Tedward

>> Well, I was Foreman of the Grand Jury I was on. Should I list that as
>> "In Charge of the Judicial Process" on my resume?

>> But I thought the judicial process involved actual judgement. As I
>> recall what we did was "recommend" whether a person be held for trial.

>Well that too is a type of judgement.  I'm not going to waste time
>nitpicking nuances with you, but a Grand Jury is certainly part of
>the judicial process overall.

>--Tedward

I prefer to accept the promotion vice argue

Hugh

 
 
 

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Post by Dennis » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:22:22



Quote:
>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>Tony

well since you are talking about an American that supposedly took up
arms and led people to fight against the U.S. I would think the
Founders would consider him a traitor at the very least.  so the whole
thing wreaks of political hay.

one could also say since he's fighting American Troops on Foreign
soil, he's denouncing his Citizenship.

I think we're getting into Sketchy territory with the whole thing of
using Drones. and that we need to reel in their use and avoid the
whole war from afar thing.

Imagine what Russia would be like if they had Drones 20 years ago. We
just might still be fighting the Cold War.
--

"The omnipotence of clairvoyance is dreadfully dualistic in its agnosticism" MISC Quote
"Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor" -- Wayne Thiboux
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME
To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Lim » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:29:58

On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:22:22 -0500, Dennis J

Quote:



>>"I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>"The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>>Tony

>well since you are talking about an American that supposedly took up
>arms and led people to fight against the U.S. I would think the
>Founders would consider him a traitor at the very least.  so the whole
>thing wreaks of political hay.

Even traitors are entitled to their day in court.  See
Bradley Manning for the most recent example.  You can easily
find other examples of non-military trials of traitors.

Quote:
>one could also say since he's fighting American Troops on Foreign
>soil, he's denouncing his Citizenship.

Renouncing your citizenship is a formal legal process.
Please show me the documents in which Mr. Al-Awaki renounced
his citizenship.  Oh, they don't exist.  What a surprise.

Quote:
>I think we're getting into Sketchy territory with the whole thing of
>using Drones. and that we need to reel in their use and avoid the
>whole war from afar thing.

>Imagine what Russia would be like if they had Drones 20 years ago. We
>just might still be fighting the Cold War.

Agree with those two paragraphs. - T
 
 
 

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Post by Kyle T. Jone » Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:57:25


Quote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:42:51 -0500, "The Undead Edward M.


>>> "I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>> crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>> "The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>> guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>> NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>> What a ***ing liar (he cannot be that stupid):

>> "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended."

>> Some twit will now argue we're being invaded *and* the public safety
>> warrants it.  Why dragging someone before a judge compromises the
>> public safety is one of life's great mysteries.

> +1 -- obviously.

You don't need to add the "obviously", Tony - I automatically append it
to any salient point you make (far and few between may they be).

Cheers.

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Lim » Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:03:49


Quote:

>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:42:51 -0500, "The Undead Edward M.


>>>> "I'm saying if the President does it, then it's not a
>>>> crime." - Richard Nixon in his interview with David Frost

>>>> "The Constitution guarantees due process.  It does not
>>>> guarantee judicial process." Attorney General Eric Holder on
>>>> NPR 8:50 am left coast time March 6, 2012

>>> What a ***ing liar (he cannot be that stupid):

>>> "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended."

>>> Some twit will now argue we're being invaded *and* the public safety
>>> warrants it.  Why dragging someone before a judge compromises the
>>> public safety is one of life's great mysteries.

>> +1 -- obviously.

> You don't need to add the "obviously", Tony - I automatically append it
> to any salient point you make (far and few between may they be).

> Cheers.

Thanks for what I'm pretty sure was intended to be a compliment.