Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Jon Ensli » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:25:13


OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
really bothers me.  This is just a wealth transfer.

Jon

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Tom Enrigh » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:33:59


Quote:
> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

IAWTP.   It is not a "rebate."  I'm going to go to all the car dealers
near my home and tell them that the next person who buys a car, that
rebate should go to me.  I NEED TO BE FISCALLY STIMULATED!!!!!

The Dems are trying to pack the bill with pork, and the GOP is trying
to cut that crap.  Just goes to show that the GOP really suck on the
fiscal side and the Dems really, really suck.

BTW: The MSM is up in arms that the GOP is trying to keep other
people's money from your pocket:

"Republicans block Senate economic stimulus plan."
-Reuters

"Senate's stimulus measure blocked, Backers are short by 1 vote
against GOP filibuster."
-Washington Post

"Republicans join to block stimulus bill"
-AP

-Tom Enright

Quote:
> Jon


 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Jon Ensli » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:38:44


Quote:

> > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> IAWTP. ? It is not a "rebate." ?I'm going to go to all the car dealers
> near my home and tell them that the next person who buys a car, that
> rebate should go to me. ?I NEED TO BE FISCALLY STIMULATED!!!!!

> The Dems are trying to pack the bill with pork, and the GOP is trying
> to cut that crap. ?Just goes to show that the GOP really suck on the
> fiscal side and the Dems really, really suck.

> BTW: The MSM is up in arms that the GOP is trying to keep other
> people's money from your pocket:

> "Republicans block Senate economic stimulus plan."
> -Reuters

> "Senate's stimulus measure blocked, Backers are short by 1 vote
> against GOP filibuster."
> -Washington Post

> "Republicans join to block stimulus bill"
> -AP

Uhh...since they are filibustering, that is a procedural "block" is it
not?  What do you want them to say "Republicans are the only people
saving us from fiscal ruin?"

Jon

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Charles Beaucham » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:40:43


Quote:
> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> really bothers me.  This is just a wealth transfer.

> Jon

All of the above pay taxes..just not Federal Income Taxes

--
v/r Beau

God Bless Hokienation!!!

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by OrangeDoo » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:32:07


Quote:
> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

And then they'll go blow it on nickel slots, or five-dollar scratch-
offs at the 7-11.

Cheers,
--Jeff

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Peac » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:10:08


Quote:
> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> Jon

So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
"welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
yearly.)

I think their point is...those who make over $75,000 a year should be
stimulating the economy by spending their salary each month on extra
crap.

Peach

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Jon Ensli » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:48:26


Quote:

> > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> > Jon

> So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
> "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
> yearly.)

Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax.  But if
you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
pretty likely you paid nothing.

The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund."  How can you
get a return of something that you didn't actually pay?  So what you
end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
government in between.  So it is basically another form of welfare.
And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
like the use of progressive tax rates.  And that is OK with me.

And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
don't.  I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
is taking out another advance on its credit card.  And I'm ***ing
because they keep labelling it something it isn't.

Jon

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Peac » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:10:24


Quote:


> > > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> > > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> > > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> > > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> > > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> > > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> > > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> > > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> > > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> > > Jon

> > So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
> > "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
> > yearly.)

> Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
> even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax. ?But if
> you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
> pretty likely you paid nothing.

> The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
> payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund." ?How can you
> get a return of something that you didn't actually pay? ?So what you
> end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
> government in between. ?So it is basically another form of welfare.
> And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
> like the use of progressive tax rates. ?And that is OK with me.

> And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
> don't. ?I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
> is taking out another advance on its credit card. ?And I'm ***ing
> because they keep labelling it something it isn't.

> Jon- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

So your *** is with the label of it--I give you that.  Maybe it is
"welfare," who knows? All I know is...sure, I can use it, and no, I
won't be buying scratch off lottery tickets. I don't buy lottery
tickets.  They probably figure the couple making 6 figures doesn't
really need it.

Peach

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Jon Ensli » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:20:22


Quote:



> > > > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> > > > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> > > > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> > > > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> > > > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> > > > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> > > > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> > > > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> > > > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> > > > Jon

> > > So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
> > > "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
> > > yearly.)

> > Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
> > even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax. ?But if
> > you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
> > pretty likely you paid nothing.

> > The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
> > payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund." ?How can you
> > get a return of something that you didn't actually pay? ?So what you
> > end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
> > government in between. ?So it is basically another form of welfare.
> > And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
> > like the use of progressive tax rates. ?And that is OK with me.

> > And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
> > don't. ?I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
> > is taking out another advance on its credit card. ?And I'm ***ing
> > because they keep labelling it something it isn't.

> > Jon- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> So your *** is with the label of it--I give you that. ?Maybe it is
> "welfare," who knows? All I know is...sure, I can use it, and no, I
> won't be buying scratch off lottery tickets. I don't buy lottery
> tickets. ?They probably figure the couple making 6 figures doesn't
> really need it.

My main *** is also about how we are going to pay for it.  By
essentially taking out another collective loan.

And Peach, while I understand that you could use it, do you really
need it?

Jon

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Dennis » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:29:17


songs and you had to say????...

Quote:

>> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
>> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
>> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

>> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
>> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
>> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

>And then they'll go blow it on nickel slots, or five-dollar scratch-
>offs at the 7-11.

>Cheers,
>--Jeff

DOOD fer me to get to a 7-11 would take a tank of gas... not worth
it....

I'm gonna be moovin' and sellin' a house... that cash will probably go
to flooring and Paint and Appliances :-)
.
---

"the Democrat and Republican parties are destroying our country right now,They're destroying our political process." Jesse Ventura
"Education is the progressive discover of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"people who read the Tabloids deserve to be lied to" Jerry Sienfeld
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor"
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME

To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Dennis » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:31:21


songs and you had to say????...

Quote:


>> > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
>> > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
>> > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

>> > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
>> > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
>> > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

>> > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
>> > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
>> > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

>> > Jon

>> So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
>> "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
>> yearly.)

>Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
>even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax.  But if
>you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
>pretty likely you paid nothing.

>The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
>payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund."  How can you
>get a return of something that you didn't actually pay?  So what you
>end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
>government in between.  So it is basically another form of welfare.
>And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
>like the use of progressive tax rates.  And that is OK with me.

>And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
>don't.  I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
>is taking out another advance on its credit card.  And I'm ***ing
>because they keep labelling it something it isn't.

>Jon

and the only Administration that ever put one of these out: The
Fiscally Responsible Republicans...

DoublePLUSGOOD!!!!
---

"the Democrat and Republican parties are destroying our country right now,They're destroying our political process." Jesse Ventura
"Education is the progressive discover of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"people who read the Tabloids deserve to be lied to" Jerry Sienfeld
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor"
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME

To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Jon Ensli » Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:46:37


Quote:

> songs and you had to say????...



> >> > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> >> > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> >> > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> >> > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> >> > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> >> > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> >> > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> >> > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> >> > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> >> > Jon

> >> So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
> >> "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
> >> yearly.)

> >Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
> >even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax. ?But if
> >you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
> >pretty likely you paid nothing.

> >The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
> >payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund." ?How can you
> >get a return of something that you didn't actually pay? ?So what you
> >end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
> >government in between. ?So it is basically another form of welfare.
> >And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
> >like the use of progressive tax rates. ?And that is OK with me.

> >And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
> >don't. ?I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
> >is taking out another advance on its credit card. ?And I'm ***ing
> >because they keep labelling it something it isn't.

> >Jon

> and the only Administration that ever put one of these out: The
> Fiscally Responsible Republicans...

With help from the Democrats in Congress though.  It used to be that
Democrats were considered "tax and spenders" while Republicans tried
to reduce each.  Now both parties seem to want to spend without
increasing revenue.  That's a problem.

Jon

 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Randolph M. Jone » Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:34:37

Quote:


>> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
>> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
>> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

>> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
>> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
>> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> And then they'll go blow it on nickel slots, or five-dollar scratch-
> offs at the 7-11.

Well good, so all the money will end up in the hands of the business
owners after all, just like it's supposed to!
 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Randolph M. Jone » Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:36:49

Quote:



>> songs and you had to say????...



>>>>> OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
>>>>> 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
>>>>> citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."
>>>>> So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
>>>>> good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
>>>>> while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.
>>>>> You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
>>>>> of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
>>>>> really bothers me.  This is just a wealth transfer.
>>>>> Jon
>>>> So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
>>>> "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
>>>> yearly.)
>>> Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
>>> even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax.  But if
>>> you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
>>> pretty likely you paid nothing.
>>> The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
>>> payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund."  How can you
>>> get a return of something that you didn't actually pay?  So what you
>>> end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
>>> government in between.  So it is basically another form of welfare.
>>> And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
>>> like the use of progressive tax rates.  And that is OK with me.
>>> And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
>>> don't.  I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
>>> is taking out another advance on its credit card.  And I'm ***ing
>>> because they keep labelling it something it isn't.
>>> Jon
>> and the only Administration that ever put one of these out: The
>> Fiscally Responsible Republicans...

> With help from the Democrats in Congress though.  It used to be that
> Democrats were considered "tax and spenders" while Republicans tried
> to reduce each.  Now both parties seem to want to spend without
> increasing revenue.  That's a problem.

When was this time that republicans tried to reduce spending?
 
 
 

Tax Rebate Stiumulus Plan: Welfare with a Fancy Name

Post by Peac » Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:57:17


Quote:




> > > > > OK, so now the stimulus package will be given only to "to more than
> > > > > 100 million low- and middle-income households, 20 million senior
> > > > > citizens living off of Social Security and 250,000 disabled veterans."

> > > > > So we will use fancy words like "rebate" despite the likelihood that a
> > > > > good portion of the above didn't pay that amount annually in taxes,
> > > > > while those who provided most of the money, get no rebate.

> > > > > You know, progressive tax rates really don't bother me, and phase outs
> > > > > of items like the child tax credits are mildly annoying, but this
> > > > > really bothers me. ?This is just a wealth transfer.

> > > > > Jon

> > > > So a single person who makes around 65-70,000 a year is considered
> > > > "welfare status??" (PS--And they pay roughly $8000 to $9000 in taxes
> > > > yearly.)

> > > Under this plan if you make more than $150,000 the rebate phases out
> > > even though you paid tens of thousands in federal income tax. ?But if
> > > you make as little as $3,000 you get a rebate check, even though it is
> > > pretty likely you paid nothing.

> > > The definition of "rebate" is "a return of part of the original
> > > payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund." ?How can you
> > > get a return of something that you didn't actually pay? ?So what you
> > > end up with is another transfer from the wealthy to the poor with the
> > > government in between. ?So it is basically another form of welfare.
> > > And I know that some of this is already built into our tax system,
> > > like the use of progressive tax rates. ?And that is OK with me.

> > > And I'm not ***ing because I make more than $150,000...because I
> > > don't. ?I'm ***ing because this entire plan is stupid...the country
> > > is taking out another advance on its credit card. ?And I'm ***ing
> > > because they keep labelling it something it isn't.

> > > Jon- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -

> > So your *** is with the label of it--I give you that. ?Maybe it is
> > "welfare," who knows? All I know is...sure, I can use it, and no, I
> > won't be buying scratch off lottery tickets. I don't buy lottery
> > tickets. ?They probably figure the couple making 6 figures doesn't
> > really need it.

> My main *** is also about how we are going to pay for it. ?By
> essentially taking out another collective loan.

> And Peach, while I understand that you could use it, do you really
> need it?

> Jon- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Depends on how you define need.  I don't really need it to survive.
People in that position won't get a rebate in the first place, right?
They aren't even filing. (If I'm understanding it correctly.)  I need
to be able to buy tickets to go to Tempe for Anna's spelling bee. I'm
having trouble swinging the whole trip without using a credit card,
which I hate to do.  Others might see taking my daughter to regionals
as a luxury... either way, the "rebate" won't come back in time
anyway.

Peach