Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Danny Mos » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00


An AP article by Beth Harris and several articles on ESPN's and CNN's web
pages have portrayed Janet Evans as a crybaby/sore loser after her failure
to make the 400M finals.  There were several quotes attributed to her that
made her out to be less than a good sport.  A co-worker saw Janet being
interviewed on TV and said she was the picture of grace.  I didn't see the
TV interviews, so I can't judge.  For those who saw her TV interview and
have read several print articles about her, do you notice the disparity?
Are there two Janet Evans?  Which is the real Janet Evans?  The print media
whiner or the TV "fine wine?"
--
Danny in Yorktown, VA

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Timothy W. Kip » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>An AP article by Beth Harris and several articles on ESPN's and CNN's
web
>pages have portrayed Janet Evans as a crybaby/sore loser after her
failure
>to make the 400M finals.  There were several quotes attributed to her
that
>made her out to be less than a good sport.  A co-worker saw Janet
being
>interviewed on TV and said she was the picture of grace.  I didn't see
the
>TV interviews, so I can't judge.  For those who saw her TV interview
and
>have read several print articles about her, do you notice the
disparity?
>Are there two Janet Evans?  Which is the real Janet Evans?  The print
media
>whiner or the TV "fine wine?"
>--
>Danny in Yorktown, VA


I saw the TV interview and thought that Janet was gracious as always.
She was obviously disappointed but very firm on the issue that the
ultimate problem was her failure to swim fast enough.  She even
acknowledged that Michelle Smith was one of the fastest swimmers and
that the idea of the Olympics was to allow all the fastest swimmers to
have a chance to compete.  All these out-of-context quotes are pure
media bullshit of the worst kind.

IMHO, Janet is the best representative of US swimming in the history of
the sport, and the torch-lighting was a much deserved honor for her
that I'll always remember.  Anybody can have a bad day in the pool - I
wich everyone (the media) would move on from it....

Tim Kipp

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Darby Ril » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>>Danny in Yorktown, VA

>I saw the TV interview and thought that Janet was gracious as always.
>She was obviously disappointed but very firm on the issue that the
>ultimate problem was her failure to swim fast enough.  She even
>acknowledged that Michelle Smith was one of the fastest swimmers and
>that the idea of the Olympics was to allow all the fastest swimmers to
>have a chance to compete.  All these out-of-context quotes are pure
>media bullshit of the worst kind.
>IMHO, Janet is the best representative of US swimming in the history of
>the sport, and the torch-lighting was a much deserved honor for her
>that I'll always remember.  Anybody can have a bad day in the pool - I
>wich everyone (the media) would move on from it....
>Tim Kipp

        Sounds like you heard only half of the TV interview I heard.
Along with Janet's gracious comments concerning her failure to
qualify, I also heard her make accusations of drug use and unfair play
by  Michelle Smith.  Although she didn't seem to have the courage to
say this directly.  I recall her saying something like "The
accusations are out there.",  when responding to a question about
Smith's alleged steroid use.  I also recall hearing her utter the
word(s)  'cheating' or 'not playing by the rules' when referring to
Smith's last-minute entry into the 400m event, as if Smith herself was
responsible for the Olympic Committee's decision.  Evan's seemed to
want it both ways;  praising the fact that the fastest swimmers were
going to the finals and condemning Smith for 'alleged' drug use and
'unfair play.'    
        I'm no expert on competitive swimming, Janet Evans, and, least of all,
Michelle Smith.  However, Evan's comments can only be characterized as
those of a 'crybaby'  or 'sore loser.'   Evan's attempt to smear and
cast suspicion on Smith after her own lack-luster performance are not
my definitions of graciousness.    If the accusations against Smith
are true, I am sure she will get hers in the end.   If Evans could
have confined her comments to her own performance (discounting Smith,
7 swimmers finished ahead of her), I would have to agree that she was
indeed gracious and was able to handle defeat with the same dignity as
her many victories.
        I, too, had a high regard for Evans prior to the interview I saw.  But
let's not pretend she didn't make these unflattering comments or
dismiss them as 'media bullshit.'  Any context in which they occurred
were unbecoming of a gracious champion.  Artificially preserving an
image of Evans makes it all that much more difficult to identify a
truly gracious competitor, a rare thing in competitive athletics.  
        Should Evans rethink her shoot-from-the-hip accusations, I would
certainly give her the benefit of the doubt.  But until then, I (and
many others) will think of her as a bit of a whiner.

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Joe Hua » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>I saw the TV interview and thought that Janet was gracious as always.
>She was obviously disappointed but very firm on the issue that the
>ultimate problem was her failure to swim fast enough.  She even
>acknowledged that Michelle Smith was one of the fastest swimmers and
>that the idea of the Olympics was to allow all the fastest swimmers to
>have a chance to compete.  All these out-of-context quotes are pure
>media bullshit of the worst kind.

>IMHO, Janet is the best representative of US swimming in the history of
>the sport, and the torch-lighting was a much deserved honor for her
>that I'll always remember.  Anybody can have a bad day in the pool - I
>wich everyone (the media) would move on from it....

I try not to pay much attention to NBC because of all the sickening
all-American rah-rah, but I couldn't help but notice that today's
newpaper quoting her saying (roughly) "the world was not fair, you
should play by the rules, there is talk around the pool about drug
use, etc.".  Those can't be all "media bullshit".  I bet what's
going on is that she shows a more gracious face on camera and then  
whines when the cameras are off.

How can she even think of saying that the world is unfair ?
Middle-class white American girl, 4 gold medals at 16, media darling
for years. One thing doesn't go her way and, boohoo, the world is
unfair !!  Aaahhh...I've lost all respect for her. Just go to show
how totally insane is this garbage about sport jocks being role
models.

Joe Huang

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Plur.. » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


>>>Danny in Yorktown, VA

>>I saw the TV interview and thought that Janet was gracious as always.
>>She was obviously disappointed but very firm on the issue that the
>>ultimate problem was her failure to swim fast enough.  She even
>>acknowledged that Michelle Smith was one of the fastest swimmers and
>>that the idea of the Olympics was to allow all the fastest swimmers to
>>have a chance to compete.  All these out-of-context quotes are pure
>>media bullshit of the worst kind.

>>IMHO, Janet is the best representative of US swimming in the history of

I hope not, otherwise you are telling me that US swimming is made up
of a bunch of drug taking, cry babies who whine all the time.

Oh. I got your point.

E. Plurbus

Quote:
>>the sport, and the torch-lighting was a much deserved honor for her
>>that I'll always remember.  Anybody can have a bad day in the pool - I
>>wich everyone (the media) would move on from it....

>>Tim Kipp

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by R&T Cunde » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>An AP article by Beth Harris and several articles on ESPN's and CNN's web
>pages have portrayed Janet Evans as a crybaby/sore loser after her failure
>to make the 400M finals.  There were several quotes attributed to her that
>made her out to be less than a good sport.  A co-worker saw Janet being
>interviewed on TV and said she was the picture of grace.  I didn't see the
>TV interviews, so I can't judge.  For those who saw her TV interview and
>have read several print articles about her, do you notice the disparity?
>Are there two Janet Evans?  Which is the real Janet Evans?  The print media
>whiner or the TV "fine wine?"

Danny,

Janet did not accuse Michelle Smith of using steriods but stated in the answer
to a question that people suspect steriod abuse when a swimmers performance improves
so dramatically in so short a time.

T-bone

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Paul Burkhard » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Danny,

   I also saw Janet Evans interview after she failed to make the finals
in the 400M Free.  I was very impressed by her humble acceptance of the
results and disappointed, but not surprised, at articles were written
to the contray.  Time and time again, people (i.e., reporters & NBC
commentators) have attempted to sentationalize the Olympics instead of
persenting objective reporting.  As I watched her interview, I felt that
she handled the situation, including the taunting by Jim Gray, with a lot
of class.  She made the point that this is an event where the best in the
world should compete.  People have misrepresented her if they think she
was crying foul.
    Time will tell but I firmly believe that Janet will become more
successful in the long run than the arrogant, conceeded, obnoxious
champions that waltz around the pool deck.  She's got class....

Paul

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by a » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

    I am just sick and tired of hearing any more American female
swimmers accusing others of cheating. They should just shut their
stinky mouths and pay salute to the champions. They have trained to
win, but they also need to learn how to take defeat. This is the worst
sporstsmanship from the American women swimmers.

ak
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:

>    Sounds like you heard only half of the TV interview I heard.
>Along with Janet's gracious comments concerning her failure to
>qualify, I also heard her make accusations of drug use and unfair play
>by  Michelle Smith.  Although she didn't seem to have the courage to
>say this directly.  I recall her saying something like "The
>accusations are out there.",  when responding to a question about
>Smith's alleged steroid use.  I also recall hearing her utter the
>word(s)  'cheating' or 'not playing by the rules' when referring to
>Smith's last-minute entry into the 400m event, as if Smith herself was
>responsible for the Olympic Committee's decision.  Evan's seemed to
>want it both ways;  praising the fact that the fastest swimmers were
>going to the finals and condemning Smith for 'alleged' drug use and
>'unfair play.'    
>    I'm no expert on competitive swimming, Janet Evans, and, least of all,
>Michelle Smith.  However, Evan's comments can only be characterized as
>those of a 'crybaby'  or 'sore loser.'   Evan's attempt to smear and
>cast suspicion on Smith after her own lack-luster performance are not
>my definitions of graciousness.    If the accusations against Smith
>are true, I am sure she will get hers in the end.   If Evans could
>have confined her comments to her own performance (discounting Smith,
>7 swimmers finished ahead of her), I would have to agree that she was
>indeed gracious and was able to handle defeat with the same dignity as
>her many victories.
>    I, too, had a high regard for Evans prior to the interview I saw.  But
>let's not pretend she didn't make these unflattering comments or
>dismiss them as 'media bullshit.'  Any context in which they occurred
>were unbecoming of a gracious champion.  Artificially preserving an
>image of Evans makes it all that much more difficult to identify a
>truly gracious competitor, a rare thing in competitive athletics.  
>    Should Evans rethink her shoot-from-the-hip accusations, I would
>certainly give her the benefit of the doubt.  But until then, I (and
>many others) will think of her as a bit of a whiner.

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Raju » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> >I saw the TV interview and thought that Janet was gracious as always.
> >She was obviously disappointed but very firm on the issue that the
> >ultimate problem was her failure to swim fast enough.  She even
> >acknowledged that Michelle Smith was one of the fastest swimmers and
> >that the idea of the Olympics was to allow all the fastest swimmers to
> >have a chance to compete.  All these out-of-context quotes are pure
> >media bullshit of the worst kind.

> >IMHO, Janet is the best representative of US swimming in the history of
> >the sport, and the torch-lighting was a much deserved honor for her
> >that I'll always remember.  Anybody can have a bad day in the pool - I
> >wich everyone (the media) would move on from it....

Even I lost respect for her. She should be ashamed of herself for
making comments like that about fellow athlets. Who knows how
she won gold medals in previous games. US should be ashamed of
it self for giving her the torch. Shame on you Janet. I once
actaully thought you are better than that
 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Byron Xi » Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I just listened to the Fabulus Sports Babe Show.  To those of you don't know,
this is a national syndicated radio talk show by the ESPN radio here in the USA.
Anyways, the "babe" (who has a personality similar to Rosie O'Donell or Roxaine
Barr) had this American 4x200 Freestyle relay gold medal team member, Ryan (forget
the last name) on.  One of the topic was on the alleged use of performance
enhanced *** by Michelle Smith of Ireland.  Here is what Ryan said:

"Well, let's just say what she did was unprecedent.  I mean she knocked off
22 seconds in one year, and she's 26 years old, and she married to an athlete
who was banned for 4 years for using steroids.  There are a lot of co-incidents
there. I am not saying she's definitely using it, because she hasn't been tested
positive.  But she is probably as guilty as O.J Simpson.  The jury said he's
not guilty, but deep in a lot of people's mind, he is."

Then the "babe" ask Ryan, the gold medalist, why 11 tests conducted on Michelle
Smith all turned out to be negative.  Here is what Ryan said:

"The East Germans were never tested positive until the Berlin Wall came down.
The Chinese were never caught until we sent in a random testing team to their
training camp, we finally nailed them, and now in Atlanta, they aren't nearly
perform up to their expectation.  The use of *** also involved a lot of masking,
you have to nail them when they are not expecting a test, which is what we
did to the Chinese.  I think the International Swimming Committee is giving
too much respect to Michelle.  Every one of these tests, she was pre-notified.
I think they should test her when she's not expecting it."

And Ryan went on to say the US are clean, and they are kicking butts in this
meet, which shows other countries that the US don't have to use it to beat you.

Maybe it's just me, but do any of you get sick of this "egotistically superiority"
displayed by the US athletes.  The whole theme throughout this Game was:
all you foreigners, you are in my backyards now, let me show you my superior
athletes, superior technology, we will kick your butts and show you the Old
USA is still the No. 1 in the world.  If you win, you must be cheating, if we
win, we are clean.  Enjoy the ***kicking!

I am a naturalized US citizen came from mainland China.  Before the game, I
thought only the Chinese swimmers are the targets for Americans.  Now it seems
like anyone who is winning becomes the target.  I am suppose to root for USA,
but because of this attitude, I found that I was rooting for whoever that is
playing against USA.  That is why when Kerri Strug sticked that 1 foot landing
and became the latest, greatest "***e" in US Olympic history, I didn't
have thrills.  I felt bad for the Russian girls who fought and lost and cried
in the end.  Of course, I still root for the Chinese team.  The greatest moment
so far to be was Li XiaoShuang nailed the landing on the parallel bar to win
the men's all around gold.  

Last word for Michelle: better give those 3 golds back to the US, otherwise,
you are as bad as a *** in their eyes. (just kidding)

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Jim Y. Wa » Sat, 27 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Before the game, I
> thought only the Chinese swimmers are the targets for Americans.  Now it seems
> like anyone who is winning becomes the target.  I am suppose to root for USA,
> but because of this attitude, I found that I was rooting for whoever that is
> playing against USA.

I developed this same feeling 12 years ago because of the way ABC broadcast the
Game. This year, it is even worse because of the comments made by their
commentators and some of the athletes, and their biased "human stories".
 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Chip Zemp » Sat, 27 Jul 1996 04:00:00

[big snip]

Quote:
> "Well, let's just say what she did was unprecedent.  I mean she knocked off
> 22 seconds in one year, and she's 26 years old, and she married to an athlete
> who was banned for 4 years for using steroids.  There are a lot of

[another big snip]

This would be quite interesting if it weren't for the fact that a
world-class swimmer's reputation is at stake. Here is how much Michelle
Smith has improved her time:

On race day: 15 seconds
The next day: 17 seconds
The day after: 19 seconds
Now: 22 seconds

So look, everyone. If she can improve her swim by seven seconds in just
three days (AFTER she swam it!), she can damn well improve it by that much
more in a year!

 
 
 

Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by David Swarbric » Sat, 27 Jul 1996 04:00:00

]
] Danny,
]
] Janet did not accuse Michelle Smith of using steriods but stated in the answer
] to a question that people suspect steriod abuse when a swimmers performance
]  improves
] so dramatically in so short a time.
]
] T-bone

Correct as it goes, but in fact she did even worse, she used the sliest
of innuendo. Enough to leave the clear impression that she believes it,
without having to actually say it out loud. Nudge nudge type stuff -
of the sort put about in this newsgroup as well.

It was shameful and cowardly, She appears to have a reputation for
being a good ambassador for her sport and her country.  If she had a good
reputation, she has thrown it away.

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Janet Evans: Sour grape whiner or Media victim?

Post by Eugene Murp » Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>An AP article by Beth Harris and several articles on ESPN's and CNN's web
>pages have portrayed Janet Evans as a crybaby/sore loser after her failure
>to make the 400M finals.  There were several quotes attributed to her that
>made her out to be less than a good sport.  A co-worker saw Janet being
>interviewed on TV and said she was the picture of grace.  I didn't see the
>TV interviews, so I can't judge.  For those who saw her TV interview and
>have read several print articles about her, do you notice the disparity?
>Are there two Janet Evans?  Which is the real Janet Evans?  The print media
>whiner or the TV "fine wine?"
>--
>Danny in Yorktown, VA


From what we saw and heard of her over here in Ireland  Janet Evens
was the picture of sour grapes.What about the other seven swimers who
beat her,did they take *** as well?.