Jenny vs. Dara; Tom vs. Erik

Jenny vs. Dara; Tom vs. Erik

Post by RunnSw » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Read with interest the story about how Richard Quick had to split up Jenny and
Dara - have them swim at different times, for goodness sake - because of
rivalry and jealousy.

This contrasts unfavorably with how Jon Urbanchek managed the Tom Dolan/Erik
Namesnik rivalry going into the '96 Olympics.  Based on reports at the time
(and also based on the on-camera glowering toward each other during Olympic
interviews), these were the fiecest of rivals.  One of the Urbanchek quotes at
the time was that these were two sharks, circling each other and always looking
to draw *** in workouts.

Two great swimmers. Same Olympic event. Same workout pool.  Same coach. Same
workout times.  Same workouts.

But, rather than splitting them up, Urbanchek kept them together, glowering and
all.  And the result?  Simply the very best race of the '96 Olympics (and
possibly the best all time race as well).  400 meters, stroke for stroke and
eyeball to eyeball down the last 50, with Dolan snatching victory by the margin
of a fingernail extended over a longer arm.

What is it with these women?  Can't they understand how they can bring out the
best in each other for the showdown in Sydney?  

Divide and conquer?  

I don't think so.

- Larry Weisenthal

 
 
 

Jenny vs. Dara; Tom vs. Erik

Post by RunnSw » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Read with interest the story about how Richard Quick had to split up Jenny and
Dara - have them swim at different times, for goodness sake - because of
rivalry and jealousy.

This contrasts unfavorably with how Jon Urbanchek managed the Tom Dolan/Erik
Namesnik rivalry going into the '96 Olympics.  Based on reports at the time
(and also based on the on-camera glowering toward each other during Olympic
interviews), these were the fiercest of rivals.  One of the Urbanchek quotes at
the time was that these were two sharks, circling each other and always looking
to draw *** in workouts.

Two great swimmers. Same Olympic event. Same workout pool.  Same coach. Same
workout times.  Same workouts.

But, rather than splitting them up, Urbanchek kept them together, glowering and
all.  And the result?  Simply the very best race of the '96 Olympics (and
possibly the best all time race as well).  400 meters, stroke for stroke and
eyeball to eyeball down the last 50, with Dolan snatching victory by the margin
of a fingernail extended over a longer arm.

What is it with these women?  Can't they understand how they can bring out the
best in each other for the showdown in Sydney?  

Divide and conquer?  

I don't think so.

- Larry Weisenthal

 
 
 

Jenny vs. Dara; Tom vs. Erik

Post by Swimr19 » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>>What is it with these women?  Can't they understand how they can bring out

the
best in each other for the showdown in Sydney?  

Divide and conquer?  

I don't think so.

- Larry Weisenthal>>

It's difficult Larry. Neither Jenny nor Dara can stand to lose. They were
getting up and racing each other in practice every day and inevitably one of
them would lose those 'races' they put up against each other during sets. Jenny
has been the big fish in the Stanford pool for years and I don't think she had
any idea Dara would challenge her throne. Her prior times and her age would
never suggest such a possibility, but when Dara started catching up to Jenny
and maybe even passing her now and again after a few months back in the pool,
I'm sure she got more than a little upset. Practice should be just that, not a
demoralizing experience, which I'm sure it may have felt that way after awhile,
when both girls want the same thing and only one gets it. Only one can touch
the wall first. Neither swimmer would be satisfied with a Steinseifer/Hogshead
tie.

Josh

Josh

 
 
 

Jenny vs. Dara; Tom vs. Erik

Post by Edwi » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Nothing against women, on the contrary, but there remains a huge difference
between coaching men or women.  I coached last year a small team in
Belgium, but we had 3 of the ten fastest girls here in the same team (short
course we swam 55.9 - 58.0 - 58.9).  Believe me, it's really hard, coaching
girls who are all eager to win (and who isn't).  

EV

 
 
 

Jenny vs. Dara; Tom vs. Erik

Post by swimhe » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I'd also add that at least some of the stroke technique that
Quick/Boomer/Kenney are currently teaching has benefitted from Jennie T's
work & experimentation over the last 3-4 years.  I can't imagine that it's
easy for her to have Dara come out of nowhere and base her comeback on the
work she's been putting in since Atlanta.  Torres' stroke is pretty much
flawless now.  Then also have to put up with 'every practice being a swim
meet', as Torres put it in a talk earlier this month.  Plus the sharing of
the coaching focus, etc.

Quote:
> >>What is it with these women?  Can't they understand how they can bring out
> the
> best in each other for the showdown in Sydney?  

> Divide and conquer?  

> I don't think so.

> - Larry Weisenthal>>

> It's difficult Larry. Neither Jenny nor Dara can stand to lose. They were
> getting up and racing each other in practice every day and inevitably one of
> them would lose those 'races' they put up against each other during sets.
Jenny
> has been the big fish in the Stanford pool for years and I don't think she had
> any idea Dara would challenge her throne. Her prior times and her age would
> never suggest such a possibility, but when Dara started catching up to Jenny
> and maybe even passing her now and again after a few months back in the pool,
> I'm sure she got more than a little upset. Practice should be just that, not a
> demoralizing experience, which I'm sure it may have felt that way after
awhile,
> when both girls want the same thing and only one gets it. Only one can touch
> the wall first. Neither swimmer would be satisfied with a Steinseifer/Hogshead
> tie.

> Josh

> Josh